Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Dear Members, Mr. Ron Gaunt have suggested a very nice idea. He have also given a chart of a well known personality. Some instances of the life, of the native, are also given. Do we find those in accord to this system. Please give the analysis, how you come to the conclusion. This type of excercise will revise your study. In this system we follow universal laws, which are applied to all the charts. Everybody should work on this chart, It will make it easy to understand the system. The data of the chart is given in his mail. I will give my analysis on 4th Feb 01. Dear Ron, Thank you very much for your suggestion. krushna >Ron Gaunt <arjee > > > A Suggestion. >Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:35:10 +1100 > >Respected Krushna & Members.. > >Unfortunately due partly to time constraints, and the result of >missing some of the earlier postings due to my extended trip >overseas, I have not progressed as much as I would have liked in >the study of your system. There is also the added problem of >trying to follow questions thrown up by other members, which tend >to create the problem of trying to run before I can walk. The >limited participation by Members suggests I am not alone in my >problems. >Could I suggest that we have a series of simple exercises to be >completed in a defined time say one week - or whatever is desired >by members. After we have submitted our attempts, you to give >your analysis so that we can all see the correct solution. >If this idea is received favorably by members could I suggest we >use a chart where we are certain of the birth data; such as >British Royalty where the birth must be observed and recorded by >law. An exercise such as marriage of the current Queen, 20th Nov >1947, father's death 6th Feb 1952, coronation 2nd June 1953, >birth of heir (Prince Charles) 14th Nov 1948. > >The Queen' data is DOB 21st April 1926 2:40am BST -1.00 London, >51N30, 000W10. > >How do members feel about this idea of us all working on a set >event at the same time? >If in agreement, what time frame should we have for submissions? >Any other ideas which might help some of us slower or time >deprived Members? > > >Ron Gaunt _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:01:55 +0530, you wrote: Respected Krushna, Can we start with the marriage and finalise this before moving on to other events in the Queen's Life? This should keep us focused. Ron >Dear Members, > Mr. Ron Gaunt have suggested a very nice idea. He have also given >a chart of a well known personality. Some instances of the life, of the >native, are also given. Do we find those in accord to this system. Please >give the analysis, how you come to the conclusion. This type of excercise >will revise your study. In this system we follow universal laws, which are >applied to all the charts. Everybody should work on this chart, It will make >it easy to understand the system. The data of the chart is given in his >mail. I will give my analysis on 4th Feb 01. > Dear Ron, Thank you very much for your suggestion. >krushna > > > > >>Ron Gaunt <arjee >> >> >> A Suggestion. >>Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:35:10 +1100 >> >>Respected Krushna & Members.. >> >>Unfortunately due partly to time constraints, and the result of >>missing some of the earlier postings due to my extended trip >>overseas, I have not progressed as much as I would have liked in >>the study of your system. There is also the added problem of >>trying to follow questions thrown up by other members, which tend >>to create the problem of trying to run before I can walk. The >>limited participation by Members suggests I am not alone in my >>problems. >>Could I suggest that we have a series of simple exercises to be >>completed in a defined time say one week - or whatever is desired >>by members. After we have submitted our attempts, you to give >>your analysis so that we can all see the correct solution. >>If this idea is received favorably by members could I suggest we >>use a chart where we are certain of the birth data; such as >>British Royalty where the birth must be observed and recorded by >>law. An exercise such as marriage of the current Queen, 20th Nov >>1947, father's death 6th Feb 1952, coronation 2nd June 1953, >>birth of heir (Prince Charles) 14th Nov 1948. >> >>The Queen' data is DOB 21st April 1926 2:40am BST -1.00 London, >>51N30, 000W10. >> >>How do members feel about this idea of us all working on a set >>event at the same time? >>If in agreement, what time frame should we have for submissions? >>Any other ideas which might help some of us slower or time >>deprived Members? >> >> >>Ron Gaunt > >_______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Respected Krushnaji. I get the ascendant as 29 deg 34 min Sagittarius and Moon as 20 deg 18 min Cancer. If this is correct, then the points of the planets for various events are as follows: 1. Marriage 7th house - Sun 29, Moon 20, Mars 25, Mercury 10, Jupiter 30, Venus 12 and Saturn 31. Ascendant lord and 7th lord are 2:12, Sun lord and 7th from Sun lord are also 2:12. Moon dispositor and the dispositor of the 7th from it are 5:9, and Venus dispositor and the 7th from it are 6:8. By and large, it does not speak well for a happy union. Venus is samdharmi from Saturn, being in the 4th from it. However, it is also the 12th lord and is the 6th strongest significator. It is associated with Jupiter. Is this association sufficient to negate the lordship of 12th? this is the only reason that I can think of which would give marriage in the sub period of Venus. 2. Death of father - 4th house - Sun has 26, Moon 5, Mars 8, Mercury 13, Jupiter 25, Venus 14, Saturn 39. The 12th lord is Saturn which is also the natural karak for the 4th house. The 12th lord aspect Mars. Mars also has a malefic aspect on the 9th house meaning suffering for father. So it seems reasonable to expect death of father in the sub of Mars. 3. Coronation - 10th house - All planets are strong. Saturn is lord of E with 44 points. Sun is lord of 12 with 21 points. Mercury is D lord with 18 points. Rahu is in the sign of Mercury so is samdharmi to it. Coronation in this period makes sense but why not in the sub of Jupiter which is samdharmi to Saturn? 4. Birth of son - 5th house - I could not see why it should have taken place in the sub of a planet with only 7 points (Venus.) So, respected Krushanji, your clarifications on how to interpret this system are very much required. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Monday, January 29, 2001 1:31 AM Re: A Exercise Dear Members, Mr. Ron Gaunt have suggested a very nice idea. He have also given a chart of a well known personality. Some instances of the life, of the native, are also given. Do we find those in accord to this system. Please give the analysis, how you come to the conclusion. This type of excercise will revise your study. In this system we follow universal laws, which are applied to all the charts. Everybody should work on this chart, It will make it easy to understand the system. The data of the chart is given in his mail. I will give my analysis on 4th Feb 01. Dear Ron, Thank you very much for your suggestion. krushna >Ron Gaunt <arjee > > > A Suggestion. >Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:35:10 +1100 > >Respected Krushna & Members.. > >Unfortunately due partly to time constraints, and the result of >missing some of the earlier postings due to my extended trip >overseas, I have not progressed as much as I would have liked in >the study of your system. There is also the added problem of >trying to follow questions thrown up by other members, which tend >to create the problem of trying to run before I can walk. The >limited participation by Members suggests I am not alone in my >problems. >Could I suggest that we have a series of simple exercises to be >completed in a defined time say one week - or whatever is desired >by members. After we have submitted our attempts, you to give >your analysis so that we can all see the correct solution. >If this idea is received favorably by members could I suggest we >use a chart where we are certain of the birth data; such as >British Royalty where the birth must be observed and recorded by >law. An exercise such as marriage of the current Queen, 20th Nov >1947, father's death 6th Feb 1952, coronation 2nd June 1953, >birth of heir (Prince Charles) 14th Nov 1948. > >The Queen' data is DOB 21st April 1926 2:40am BST -1.00 London, >51N30, 000W10. > >How do members feel about this idea of us all working on a set >event at the same time? >If in agreement, what time frame should we have for submissions? >Any other ideas which might help some of us slower or time >deprived Members? > > >Ron Gaunt _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Dear Krushna and List Members, Here is my attempt at the Queen's chart. 1) Marriage Sa=31, Ju=30, Su=29, Ma=25, Mo=20, Ve=12, Me=10 Sa has maximum points but it aspects House A. Venus is sanhormi to Sa and can act in it's place.This is confirmed in that Ve has the maximum points for B,C,D,E. 1st Venus sub-period is when Queen was 12 which is too early. @nd when Queen was 18 and 3rd when she was 43. Thus 2nd period chosen ie Aug 1945 to Dec 1948. As Sa is involved and has only 3 points (only 2 in House B) long delay can be expected. This means the last 1/3rd of the period which is from 9th Nov 1947 to 19th Dec 1948. Using the Sun's transits it will be transiting through Scorpio, where Sa is housed and part of which is ruled by Sa.The part ruled by Sa could be expected to give the date of the marriage and this is from 19th Nov to 3rd Dec in either 1947 or 1948. Marriage actually ocurred on 20th Nov 1947. 2)Fathers Death Sa=39, Su=26, Ju=25, Ve=14, Me=13, Ma=8, Mo=5, Sa is the highest point scorer but is also the lord of the 12th from B and cannot contribute (except possibly as Karaka for longevity). Su is the next highest and is the natural sandharmi to Mars. Thus the death could occur in the Mars sub-period. However as the sandharmi is recersed and Mars has less than 12points then adverse effects can be expected. I consider death as an adverse effect. I would therefore expect the death to occur in a Mars sub-period. 3)Coronation - 2nd June 1953. As according to Krushna's note the 5th house is the house of the CROWN I used this house for the coronation. Sa=28, Ju=17, Me=16, Su=16, Ma=14, Ve=7, Mo=4 Sa is the highest but aspects House C Ju is next highest also aspects House C Me is 3rd highest and has no aspects. The coronation must come soon after the death of the King but the next Me sub-period does not occur for 10 years which is too long. However Ra is sandharmi to Me and its next sub-period starts in just over 1 year from the death of the king. I would therefore expect the coronation to take place in the 1st Rahu sub-period after the death of the king. That is from Oct 1952 to Oct 1955 - it took place on 2nd June 1953. 4) Birth of Heir (Charles) Sa=28, Ju=17, Me=16, Su=16, Me=14, Ve=7, M0=4 Sa has highest points. It aspects C but is lord of E therefore is eager to contribute especially as it is in the 12th house associated with children. However Venus is associated with relationships and is natural sandharmi to Sa and therefore can be used instead of Sa. However as Ve has only 7 points adverse results can be expected. Thus the sub-period of Venus can be used for the birth of Charles but adverse effects for the Queen could be expected. Cahrles was born 14th Nov 1948 in the sub-period of Venus. I think that he has caused several adverse effects for the Queen. Those are my conclusions. I have only tried to narrow the period down in the case of the marriage because I am not very good at it. I am waiting to see Krushna's comments on my norrowing down methods before trying any others. Peter Namaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 rESPECTED pETERJI, VERY NICE ATTAMPT, iF I FIND ANY THING TO GIVE SOME COMMENT, IT WILL BE IN CAPITAL LETTERS. > " Peter Sutcliffe " <petermay > > >Re: A Exercise >Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:45:50 +1000 > >Dear Krushna and List Members, >Here is my attempt at the Queen's chart. > >1) Marriage >Sa=31, Ju=30, Su=29, Ma=25, Mo=20, Ve=12, Me=10 >Sa has maximum points but it aspects House A. Venus is sanhormi to Sa and >can act in it's place.This is confirmed in that Ve has the maximum points >for B,C,D,E. >1st Venus sub-period is when Queen was 12 which is too early. @nd when >Queen >was 18 and 3rd when she was 43. Thus 2nd period chosen ie Aug 1945 to Dec >1948. As Sa is involved and has only 3 points (only 2 in House B) long >delay >can be expected. This means the last 1/3rd of the period which is from 9th >Nov 1947 to 19th Dec 1948. >Using the Sun's transits it will be transiting through Scorpio, where Sa is >housed and part of which is ruled by Sa.The part ruled by Sa could be >expected to give the date of the marriage and this is from 19th Nov to 3rd >Dec in either 1947 or 1948. >Marriage actually ocurred on 20th Nov 1947. >DELAY IS INDICATED, AND HAVE BEEN MODERATED BY JUPITER. SHE MARRIED SOME >WHAT DELAY AT THE AGE OF 22 YEARS. >2)Fathers Death >Sa=39, Su=26, Ju=25, Ve=14, Me=13, Ma=8, Mo=5, >Sa is the highest point scorer but is also the lord of the 12th from B and >cannot contribute (except possibly as Karaka for longevity). >Su is the next highest and is the natural sandharmi to Mars. Thus the death >could occur in the Mars sub-period. However as the sandharmi is recersed >and >Mars has less than 12points then adverse effects can be expected. I >consider >death as an adverse effect. >I would therefore expect the death to occur in a Mars sub-period. >DEATH IS ADVERSE EFFECT, AGREED, BUT WHEN WE FIND THE EVENT OF DEATH, IT >SHOULD BE IN POWERFUL PLANET OR LORD OF D AND OR E. HERE ARE JUPITER AND >SUN. SUN IS REPLACED BY MARS. THE MAIN PERIOD OF KARAK, VENUS. WITHOUT >KNOWING THE EVENT ONE CAN SAY THIS TO BE HAPPENED IN THE SUB OF SUN. SOME >WHAT EARLIER. SUN IS HAVING ITS SAMDHARMI MOON AND MARS, SO PERIOD STARTED >FROM SUN SUB, THEN CONTIUED TO MOON AND THEN MARS, THIS COMPLETE PERIOD WAS >NO GOOD FOR THE HEALTH OF FATHER. mARS WHICH IS WITH MORE POINTS, REDUCES >THE STRENGTH OF BOTH SUN AND MOON BY ITS SIGHT. BUT IT GETS STRENGTH FROM >MOON BY SIGHT, AND AS SUN IS SITUATED IN THE FOURTH PLACE, THOPUGH IT IS >NOT CONTRIBUTING THE POINTS, BUT IS SAID TO BE A ASSISTANCE TO MARS, THERE >IS OPPOSITION BETWEEN SUN AND MARS, SO THE CHANCE IS TAKEN BY MARS. >3)Coronation - 2nd June 1953. >As according to Krushna's note the 5th house is the house of the CROWN I >used this house for the coronation. >Sa=28, Ju=17, Me=16, Su=16, Ma=14, Ve=7, Mo=4 >Sa is the highest but aspects House C >Ju is next highest also aspects House C >Me is 3rd highest and has no aspects. >The coronation must come soon after the death of the King but the next Me >sub-period does not occur for 10 years which is too long. However Ra is >sandharmi to Me and its next sub-period starts in just over 1 year from the >death of the king. I would therefore expect the coronation to take place in >the 1st Rahu sub-period after the death of the king. That is from Oct 1952 >to Oct 1955 - it took place on 2nd June 1953. >THE LORD OF HOUSE D FOR CORONATION IS MERCURY AND IS HAVING SIGHT ON HOUSE >B, RAHU IS SAMDHARMI TO MERCURY, CAN GIVE THE RESULT. >4) Birth of Heir (Charles) >Sa=28, Ju=17, Me=16, Su=16, Me=14, Ve=7, M0=4 >Sa has highest points. It aspects C but is lord of E ( IT IS LORD OF D) >therefore is eager to >contribute especially as it is in the 12th house associated with children. >However Venus is associated with relationships and is natural sandharmi to >Sa and therefore can be used instead of Sa. However as Ve has only 7 points >adverse results can be expected. >Thus the sub-period of Venus can be used for the birth of Charles but >adverse effects for the Queen could be expected. >Cahrles was born 14th Nov 1948 in the sub-period of Venus. I think that he >has caused several adverse effects for the Queen. > THE RESULT IS ACHIVED IN THE SUB OF SAMDHARMI TO SATURN. MORE DETAILS IN >MY ANALYSIS. >Those are my conclusions. I have only tried to narrow the period down in >the >case of the marriage because I am not very good at it. I am waiting to see >Krushna's comments on my norrowing down methods before trying any others. > VERY GOOD ANALYSIS YOU HAVE MADE. MORE PRACTICE WILL MAKE YOU PERFECT. >........THANKS KRUSHNA > >Peter >Namaste > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 Dear Sanjay, I am reading your analysis, if find any thing to more clarify, i will put it in block letters. > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: A Exercise >Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:40:17 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji. > >I get the ascendant as 29 deg 34 min Sagittarius and Moon as 20 deg 18 min >Cancer. If this is correct, then the points of the planets for various >events are as follows: It is correct, a minor difference of 6 minits may be >due to my computer program for ayanansha. > >1. Marriage 7th house - Sun 29, Moon 20, Mars 25, Mercury 10, Jupiter 30, >Venus 12 and Saturn 31. > >Ascendant lord and 7th lord are 2:12, Sun lord and 7th from Sun lord are >also 2:12. Moon dispositor and the dispositor of the 7th from it are 5:9, >and Venus dispositor and the 7th from it are 6:8. By and large, it does not >speak well for a happy union. Venus is samdharmi from Saturn, being in the >4th from it. However, it is also the 12th lord and is the 6th strongest >significator. It is associated with Jupiter. Is this association sufficient >to negate the lordship of 12th? this is the only reason that I can think of >which would give marriage in the sub period of Venus. > O.K. >2. Death of father - 4th house - Sun has 26, Moon 5, Mars 8, Mercury 13, >Jupiter 25, Venus 14, Saturn 39. The 12th lord is Saturn which is also the >natural karak for the 4th house. The 12th lord aspect Mars. Mars also has a >malefic aspect on the 9th house meaning suffering for father. So it seems >reasonable to expect death of father in the sub of Mars. >IT IS GIVING REPLACEMENT TO SUN THE STRONG AND MORE EAGER SIGNIFICATOR. >3. Coronation - 10th house - All planets are strong. Saturn is lord of E >with 44 points. Sun is lord of 12 with 21 points. Mercury is D lord with 18 >points. Rahu is in the sign of Mercury so is samdharmi to it. Coronation in >this period makes sense but why not in the sub of Jupiter which is >samdharmi >to Saturn? >MERCURY BEING THE LORD OF HOUSE D IS MORE EAGER TO GIVE THE RESULT, BUT IT >IS HAVING SIGHT ON 10TH HOUSE 'B' , AND IT HAVE SAMDHARMI RAHU, WHICH IS >ALSO SITUATED IN HOUSE D, SO WHEN GOT THE CHANCE GIVEN THE RESULT. FURTHER >ALL PERIODS ARE FAVORABLE. >4. Birth of son - 5th house - I could not see why it should have taken >place >in the sub of a planet with only 7 points (Venus.) > >So, respected Krushanji, your clarifications on how to interpret this >system >are very much required. >SATURN IS THE STRONG SIGNIFICATOR, AND HAVING SIGHT ON HOUSE C, AND >SAMDHARMI JUPITER AND VENUS. ( JUPITER IS 12TH LORD FOR B) SO RESULT CAN BE >EXPERIENCED IN THE FIRST COME FIRST SERVED BASIS, IN VENUS SUB. >......KRUSHNA >Kind regards >Sanjay >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Monday, January 29, 2001 1:31 AM >Re: A Exercise > > >Dear Members, > Mr. Ron Gaunt have suggested a very nice idea. He have also >given >a chart of a well known personality. Some instances of the life, of the >native, are also given. Do we find those in accord to this system. Please >give the analysis, how you come to the conclusion. This type of excercise >will revise your study. In this system we follow universal laws, which are >applied to all the charts. Everybody should work on this chart, It will >make >it easy to understand the system. The data of the chart is given in his >mail. I will give my analysis on 4th Feb 01. > Dear Ron, Thank you very much for your suggestion. >krushna > > > > > >Ron Gaunt <arjee > > > > > > A Suggestion. > >Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:35:10 +1100 > > > >Respected Krushna & Members.. > > > >Unfortunately due partly to time constraints, and the result of > >missing some of the earlier postings due to my extended trip > >overseas, I have not progressed as much as I would have liked in > >the study of your system. There is also the added problem of > >trying to follow questions thrown up by other members, which tend > >to create the problem of trying to run before I can walk. The > >limited participation by Members suggests I am not alone in my > >problems. > >Could I suggest that we have a series of simple exercises to be > >completed in a defined time say one week - or whatever is desired > >by members. After we have submitted our attempts, you to give > >your analysis so that we can all see the correct solution. > >If this idea is received favorably by members could I suggest we > >use a chart where we are certain of the birth data; such as > >British Royalty where the birth must be observed and recorded by > >law. An exercise such as marriage of the current Queen, 20th Nov > >1947, father's death 6th Feb 1952, coronation 2nd June 1953, > >birth of heir (Prince Charles) 14th Nov 1948. > > > >The Queen' data is DOB 21st April 1926 2:40am BST -1.00 London, > >51N30, 000W10. > > > >How do members feel about this idea of us all working on a set > >event at the same time? > >If in agreement, what time frame should we have for submissions? > >Any other ideas which might help some of us slower or time > >deprived Members? > > > > > >Ron Gaunt > >_______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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