Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Dear Sanjay, Krushna and Group - So if we are all getting different values, there is going to be mass confusion here and we are all going to go nuts! J For this venture to ensure any level of success, we need to ALL be on the same page. For Krushna, Donna, and Peter… to avoid confusion, we should probably number these exercises. Like say this Queen is “Exercise 1.†The next will be Exercise 2, etc.. Just a suggestion…J I am in total agreement here about the worksheet. I got most of Sanjay's same totals, except for Saturn which I understand has to have some sort of calculation because of the 12th house lord adjustment, but I can't figure out how he comes up with this total. My total was 43 and his was 31. That's a difference of -12 points that should've been subtracted in row 16e, but I can't figure out how he came up with that amount, unless I'm wrong about this too. Alot of this confusion in the worksheet also has to do with not reading the instructions at the beginning, which caused me to put certain planets in on the template portion when I should've left it blank. I didn't know this until I read the instructions again. So initially it will be a matter of remembering a few rules until we all get used to using the worksheet constantly, but once these steps are implemented correctly, everything else should automatically come out correctly. I would also suggest that everyone take advantage of the Upachaya program that is in the FILE section and use it on top of the worksheet as an advantage to seeing the Upcahaya chart placements correctly as well as the bindus in each house. It makes the procedure extremely easy to figure out. So for starters, let's call the Queen chart Exercise 1, as Sandy has suggested and this way we'll be able to keep track of these study charts. Thanks - Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Dear Sanjay, Could you please post your “Basic” worksheet on the Queen so we can see if we are all on the “same page” and if we aren’t – “why” we aren’t? The reason I am requesting this is because my planetary calculations/positions are the same as yours, but some my worksheet values are quite different from yours. I also am thinking that perhaps many list members are very confused because the worksheet has been changed a number of times, and some members, myself included, haven’t been able to keep up to snuff on the corrections/additions to these amended worksheets because of other commitments. So if we are all getting different values, there is going to be mass confusion here and we are all going to go nuts! J For this venture to ensure any level of success, we need to ALL be on the same page. For Krushna, Donna, and Peter… to avoid confusion, we should probably number these exercises. Like say this Queen is “Exercise 1.” The next will be Exercise 2, etc.. Just a suggestion…J ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ Respected Krushnaji. I get the ascendant as 29 deg 34 min Sagittarius and Moon as 20 deg 18 min Cancer. If this is correct, then the points of the planets for various events are as follows: 1. Marriage 7th house - Sun 29, Moon 20, Mars 25, Mercury 10, Jupiter 30, Venus 12 and Saturn 31. Ascendant lord and 7th lord are 2:12, Sun lord and 7th from Sun lord are also 2:12. Moon dispositor and the dispositor of the 7th from it are 5:9, and Venus dispositor and the 7th from it are 6:8. By and large, it does not speak well for a happy union. Venus is samdharmi from Saturn, being in the 4th from it. However, it is also the 12th lord and is the 6th strongest significator. It is associated with Jupiter. Is this association sufficient to negate the lordship of 12th? this is the only reason that I can think of which would give marriage in the sub period of Venus. 2. Death of father - 4th house - Sun has 26, Moon 5, Mars 8, Mercury 13, Jupiter 25, Venus 14, Saturn 39. The 12th lord is Saturn which is also the natural karak for the 4th house. The 12th lord aspect Mars. Mars also has a malefic aspect on the 9th house meaning suffering for father. So it seems reasonable to expect death of father in the sub of Mars. 3. Coronation - 10th house - All planets are strong. Saturn is lord of E with 44 points. Sun is lord of 12 with 21 points. Mercury is D lord with 18 points. Rahu is in the sign of Mercury so is samdharmi to it. Coronation in this period makes sense but why not in the sub of Jupiter which is samdharmi to Saturn? 4. Birth of son - 5th house - I could not see why it should have taken place in the sub of a planet with only 7 points (Venus.) So, respected Krushanji, your clarifications on how to interpret this system are very much required. Kind regards Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Dear Donna, Sandy, and list members In the 7th house, Venus is the lord of 12th from B. Venus is in the 4th from Saturn and under normal circumstances, it would contribute 12 points. However, in this case it would not. That is the difference that you are getting Donna. I had posted a new version of the worksheet on the list several days ago. That one had a small error and immediately after I posted the file, I put up a message about this error. The message cam through but the file never did! So, to avoid this problem, I have uploaded version 4.08 with Elizabeth's details in the files section. Please download it from there. If any one has problems, please let me know and I would send it as an individual email attachment directly without going through the . This version is completely (almost) automatic. You just have to enter the data on the basic sheet. All 12th lord adjustments are made automatically. Aspect values are also automatic. The only thing is that Krushnaji says that numeric values do not have to be adjusted if Sun or Moon happen to be 12th lords. My worksheet does not discriminate between these and the other planets and deducts points whenever these happen to be 12th lords. I would correct this in a later version but in the meantime, there is a row left in the sheet for each house where you can make corrections for it. Please let me know in case of any problems or errors. Regards Sanjay - <DQuinn12 Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:44 AM Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY Dear Sanjay, Krushna and Group - > So if we are all getting different values, there is going to be mass > confusion here and we are all going to go nuts! J For this venture to > ensure any level of success, we need to ALL be on the same page. > > For Krushna, Donna, and Peterâ?¦ to avoid confusion, we should probably > number these exercises. Like say this Queen is â?oExercise 1.â? The next > will be Exercise 2, etc.. Just a suggestionâ?¦J > I am in total agreement here about the worksheet. I got most of Sanjay's same totals, except for Saturn which I understand has to have some sort of calculation because of the 12th house lord adjustment, but I can't figure out how he comes up with this total. My total was 43 and his was 31. That's a difference of -12 points that should've been subtracted in row 16e, but I can't figure out how he came up with that amount, unless I'm wrong about this too. Alot of this confusion in the worksheet also has to do with not reading the instructions at the beginning, which caused me to put certain planets in on the template portion when I should've left it blank. I didn't know this until I read the instructions again. So initially it will be a matter of remembering a few rules until we all get used to using the worksheet constantly, but once these steps are implemented correctly, everything else should automatically come out correctly. I would also suggest that everyone take advantage of the Upachaya program that is in the FILE section and use it on top of the worksheet as an advantage to seeing the Upcahaya chart placements correctly as well as the bindus in each house. It makes the procedure extremely easy to figure out. So for starters, let's call the Queen chart Exercise 1, as Sandy has suggested and this way we'll be able to keep track of these study charts. Thanks - Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:50:57 +0700, you wrote: Sanjay, I tried to download V4.08 from the Group but it says that it is not available. I would appreciate it if you would send me a copy. Thanks for all your efforts. Ron Gaunt >Dear Donna, Sandy, and list members > >In the 7th house, Venus is the lord of 12th from B. Venus is in the 4th from >Saturn and under normal circumstances, it would contribute 12 points. >However, in this case it would not. That is the difference that you are >getting Donna. > >I had posted a new version of the worksheet on the list several days ago. >That one had a small error and immediately after I posted the file, I put up >a message about this error. The message cam through but the file never did! > >So, to avoid this problem, I have uploaded version 4.08 with Elizabeth's >details in the files section. Please download it from there. If any one has >problems, please let me know and I would send it as an individual email >attachment directly without going through the . > >This version is completely (almost) automatic. You just have to enter the >data on the basic sheet. All 12th lord adjustments are made automatically. >Aspect values are also automatic. The only thing is that Krushnaji says that >numeric values do not have to be adjusted if Sun or Moon happen to be 12th >lords. My worksheet does not discriminate between these and the other >planets and deducts points whenever these happen to be 12th lords. I would >correct this in a later version but in the meantime, there is a row left in >the sheet for each house where you can make corrections for it. > >Please let me know in case of any problems or errors. > >Regards >Sanjay > >- ><DQuinn12 > >Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:44 AM > Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY > > >Dear Sanjay, Krushna and Group - > > >> So if we are all getting different values, there is going to be mass >> confusion here and we are all going to go nuts! J For this venture to >> ensure any level of success, we need to ALL be on the same page. >> >> For Krushna, Donna, and Peterâ?¦ to avoid confusion, we should probably >> number these exercises. Like say this Queen is â?oExercise 1.â?? The next >> will be Exercise 2, etc.. Just a suggestionâ?¦J >> > >I am in total agreement here about the worksheet. I got most of Sanjay's >same >totals, except for Saturn which I understand has to have some sort of >calculation because of the 12th house lord adjustment, but I can't figure >out >how he comes up with this total. My total was 43 and his was 31. That's a >difference of -12 points that should've been subtracted in row 16e, but I >can't figure out how he came up with that amount, unless I'm wrong about >this >too. Alot of this confusion in the worksheet also has to do with not reading >the instructions at the beginning, which caused me to put certain planets in >on the template portion when I should've left it blank. I didn't know this >until I read the instructions again. So initially it will be a matter of >remembering a few rules until we all get used to using the worksheet >constantly, but once these steps are implemented correctly, everything else >should automatically come out correctly. I would also suggest that everyone >take advantage of the Upachaya program that is in the FILE section and use >it >on top of the worksheet as an advantage to seeing the Upcahaya chart >placements correctly as well as the bindus in each house. It makes the >procedure extremely easy to figure out. > >So for starters, let's call the Queen chart Exercise 1, as Sandy has >suggested and this way we'll be able to keep track of these study charts. > >Thanks - >Donna > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 Dear Ron, Here you are. Sanjay - " Ron Gaunt " <arjee Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:14 PM Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:50:57 +0700, you wrote: Sanjay, I tried to download V4.08 from the Group but it says that it is not available. I would appreciate it if you would send me a copy. Thanks for all your efforts. Ron Gaunt >Dear Donna, Sandy, and list members > >In the 7th house, Venus is the lord of 12th from B. Venus is in the 4th from >Saturn and under normal circumstances, it would contribute 12 points. >However, in this case it would not. That is the difference that you are >getting Donna. > >I had posted a new version of the worksheet on the list several days ago. >That one had a small error and immediately after I posted the file, I put up >a message about this error. The message cam through but the file never did! > >So, to avoid this problem, I have uploaded version 4.08 with Elizabeth's >details in the files section. Please download it from there. If any one has >problems, please let me know and I would send it as an individual email >attachment directly without going through the . > >This version is completely (almost) automatic. You just have to enter the >data on the basic sheet. All 12th lord adjustments are made automatically. >Aspect values are also automatic. The only thing is that Krushnaji says that >numeric values do not have to be adjusted if Sun or Moon happen to be 12th >lords. My worksheet does not discriminate between these and the other >planets and deducts points whenever these happen to be 12th lords. I would >correct this in a later version but in the meantime, there is a row left in >the sheet for each house where you can make corrections for it. > >Please let me know in case of any problems or errors. > >Regards >Sanjay > >- ><DQuinn12 > >Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:44 AM > Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY > > >Dear Sanjay, Krushna and Group - > > >> So if we are all getting different values, there is going to be mass >> confusion here and we are all going to go nuts! J For this venture to >> ensure any level of success, we need to ALL be on the same page. >> >> For Krushna, Donna, and Peterâ?¦ to avoid confusion, we should probably >> number these exercises. Like say this Queen is â?oExercise 1.â?? The next >> will be Exercise 2, etc.. Just a suggestionâ?¦J >> > >I am in total agreement here about the worksheet. I got most of Sanjay's >same >totals, except for Saturn which I understand has to have some sort of >calculation because of the 12th house lord adjustment, but I can't figure >out >how he comes up with this total. My total was 43 and his was 31. That's a >difference of -12 points that should've been subtracted in row 16e, but I >can't figure out how he came up with that amount, unless I'm wrong about >this >too. Alot of this confusion in the worksheet also has to do with not reading >the instructions at the beginning, which caused me to put certain planets in >on the template portion when I should've left it blank. I didn't know this >until I read the instructions again. So initially it will be a matter of >remembering a few rules until we all get used to using the worksheet >constantly, but once these steps are implemented correctly, everything else >should automatically come out correctly. I would also suggest that everyone >take advantage of the Upachaya program that is in the FILE section and use >it >on top of the worksheet as an advantage to seeing the Upcahaya chart >placements correctly as well as the bindus in each house. It makes the >procedure extremely easy to figure out. > >So for starters, let's call the Queen chart Exercise 1, as Sandy has >suggested and this way we'll be able to keep track of these study charts. > >Thanks - >Donna > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 Dear Sanjay , Can you post me the file to my e-mail please ? I have not been able to safe any downloads through Best regards , Swee - " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:50 AM Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY > Dear Donna, Sandy, and list members > > In the 7th house, Venus is the lord of 12th from B. Venus is in the 4th from > Saturn and under normal circumstances, it would contribute 12 points. > However, in this case it would not. That is the difference that you are > getting Donna. > > I had posted a new version of the worksheet on the list several days ago. > That one had a small error and immediately after I posted the file, I put up > a message about this error. The message cam through but the file never did! > > So, to avoid this problem, I have uploaded version 4.08 with Elizabeth's > details in the files section. Please download it from there. If any one has > problems, please let me know and I would send it as an individual email > attachment directly without going through the . > > This version is completely (almost) automatic. You just have to enter the > data on the basic sheet. All 12th lord adjustments are made automatically. > Aspect values are also automatic. The only thing is that Krushnaji says that > numeric values do not have to be adjusted if Sun or Moon happen to be 12th > lords. My worksheet does not discriminate between these and the other > planets and deducts points whenever these happen to be 12th lords. I would > correct this in a later version but in the meantime, there is a row left in > the sheet for each house where you can make corrections for it. > > Please let me know in case of any problems or errors. > > Regards > Sanjay > > - > <DQuinn12 > > Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:44 AM > Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY > > > Dear Sanjay, Krushna and Group - > > > > So if we are all getting different values, there is going to be mass > > confusion here and we are all going to go nuts! J For this venture to > > ensure any level of success, we need to ALL be on the same page. > > > > For Krushna, Donna, and Peterâ?¦ to avoid confusion, we should probably > > number these exercises. Like say this Queen is â?oExercise 1.â? The next > > will be Exercise 2, etc.. Just a suggestionâ?¦J > > > > I am in total agreement here about the worksheet. I got most of Sanjay's > same > totals, except for Saturn which I understand has to have some sort of > calculation because of the 12th house lord adjustment, but I can't figure > out > how he comes up with this total. My total was 43 and his was 31. That's a > difference of -12 points that should've been subtracted in row 16e, but I > can't figure out how he came up with that amount, unless I'm wrong about > this > too. Alot of this confusion in the worksheet also has to do with not reading > the instructions at the beginning, which caused me to put certain planets in > on the template portion when I should've left it blank. I didn't know this > until I read the instructions again. So initially it will be a matter of > remembering a few rules until we all get used to using the worksheet > constantly, but once these steps are implemented correctly, everything else > should automatically come out correctly. I would also suggest that everyone > take advantage of the Upachaya program that is in the FILE section and use > it > on top of the worksheet as an advantage to seeing the Upcahaya chart > placements correctly as well as the bindus in each house. It makes the > procedure extremely easy to figure out. > > So for starters, let's call the Queen chart Exercise 1, as Sandy has > suggested and this way we'll be able to keep track of these study charts. > > Thanks - > Donna > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:15:57 +0700, you wrote: Sanjay, Thanks for V4.08. It is fantastic and a great tool for slow coaches like me. One thing I noticed is that when comparing the various house totals in the 'Sarva and Summary Tables' on this new version with the example of my chart given in the Lessons under 'Complete study of a chart', I note there are considerable differences in the figures. This confuses me. I don't know whether there are bugs in the spreadsheet, or whethe the Lesson figures are incorrect. Take for example my house 7 result for Jupiter, KRUSHNA shows a figure of 35 reduced to 28 after deleting the points due to the 12 Lord's aspect. The new version of the spreadsheet shows 15 - which is a vast difference. There are many other discrepancies. Any suggestions? Ron Gaunt >Dear Ron, > >Here you are. > >Sanjay > >- > " Ron Gaunt " <arjee > >Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:14 PM >Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY > > >On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:50:57 +0700, you wrote: > >Sanjay, > >I tried to download V4.08 from the Group but it says that it is >not available. I would appreciate it if you would send me a >copy. Thanks for all your efforts. > > >Ron Gaunt > > > >>Dear Donna, Sandy, and list members >> >>In the 7th house, Venus is the lord of 12th from B. Venus is in the 4th >from >>Saturn and under normal circumstances, it would contribute 12 points. >>However, in this case it would not. That is the difference that you are >>getting Donna. >> >>I had posted a new version of the worksheet on the list several days ago. >>That one had a small error and immediately after I posted the file, I put >up >>a message about this error. The message cam through but the file never did! >> >>So, to avoid this problem, I have uploaded version 4.08 with Elizabeth's >>details in the files section. Please download it from there. If any one has >>problems, please let me know and I would send it as an individual email >>attachment directly without going through the . >> >>This version is completely (almost) automatic. You just have to enter the >>data on the basic sheet. All 12th lord adjustments are made automatically. >>Aspect values are also automatic. The only thing is that Krushnaji says >that >>numeric values do not have to be adjusted if Sun or Moon happen to be 12th >>lords. My worksheet does not discriminate between these and the other >>planets and deducts points whenever these happen to be 12th lords. I would >>correct this in a later version but in the meantime, there is a row left in >>the sheet for each house where you can make corrections for it. >> >>Please let me know in case of any problems or errors. >> >>Regards >>Sanjay >> >>- >><DQuinn12 >> >>Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:44 AM >> Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY >> >> >>Dear Sanjay, Krushna and Group - >> >> >>> So if we are all getting different values, there is going to be mass >>> confusion here and we are all going to go nuts! J For this venture to >>> ensure any level of success, we need to ALL be on the same page. >>> >>> For Krushna, Donna, and Peterâ?¦ to avoid confusion, we should probably >>> number these exercises. Like say this Queen is â?oExercise 1.â?? The >next >>> will be Exercise 2, etc.. Just a suggestionâ?¦J >>> >> >>I am in total agreement here about the worksheet. I got most of Sanjay's >>same >>totals, except for Saturn which I understand has to have some sort of >>calculation because of the 12th house lord adjustment, but I can't figure >>out >>how he comes up with this total. My total was 43 and his was 31. That's a >>difference of -12 points that should've been subtracted in row 16e, but I >>can't figure out how he came up with that amount, unless I'm wrong about >>this >>too. Alot of this confusion in the worksheet also has to do with not >reading >>the instructions at the beginning, which caused me to put certain planets >in >>on the template portion when I should've left it blank. I didn't know this >>until I read the instructions again. So initially it will be a matter of >>remembering a few rules until we all get used to using the worksheet >>constantly, but once these steps are implemented correctly, everything else >>should automatically come out correctly. I would also suggest that everyone >>take advantage of the Upachaya program that is in the FILE section and use >>it >>on top of the worksheet as an advantage to seeing the Upcahaya chart >>placements correctly as well as the bindus in each house. It makes the >>procedure extremely easy to figure out. >> >>So for starters, let's call the Queen chart Exercise 1, as Sandy has >>suggested and this way we'll be able to keep track of these study charts. >> >>Thanks - >>Donna >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 Ron, Check it out yourself. Jupiter gets 5 points each in ABC making 15 as the basic strength. It has Saturn in the 4th from it and under normal circumstances, would have got 8 points from it as this is the total for Saturn in ABC. However, for the 7th house, Saturn happens to be the 12th lord, so these points are not to be added. Jupiter does not aspect A, B or C so it does not contribute any points to its strength. It is aspected only by Saturn. But it can't get any points as Saturn is 12th lord. So its strength remains at the basic 15. Do you see any flaws in this? I have put Saturn under Jupiter and Jupiter under Venus for 4th house points. If you like, I can send the worksheet as solved by me for you so that you can compare where the mistake is. I think my worksheet gives correct results. If you find any mistake, please let me know as there are so many formulas that some error might have got in. But before you ask me for the points, please verify the points that you get by following the simple manual logic. Sanjay - " Ron Gaunt " <arjee Wednesday, January 31, 2001 8:36 AM Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:15:57 +0700, you wrote: Sanjay, Thanks for V4.08. It is fantastic and a great tool for slow coaches like me. One thing I noticed is that when comparing the various house totals in the 'Sarva and Summary Tables' on this new version with the example of my chart given in the Lessons under 'Complete study of a chart', I note there are considerable differences in the figures. This confuses me. I don't know whether there are bugs in the spreadsheet, or whethe the Lesson figures are incorrect. Take for example my house 7 result for Jupiter, KRUSHNA shows a figure of 35 reduced to 28 after deleting the points due to the 12 Lord's aspect. The new version of the spreadsheet shows 15 - which is a vast difference. There are many other discrepancies. Any suggestions? Ron Gaunt >Dear Ron, > >Here you are. > >Sanjay > >- > " Ron Gaunt " <arjee > >Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:14 PM >Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY > > >On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:50:57 +0700, you wrote: > >Sanjay, > >I tried to download V4.08 from the Group but it says that it is >not available. I would appreciate it if you would send me a >copy. Thanks for all your efforts. > > >Ron Gaunt > > > >>Dear Donna, Sandy, and list members >> >>In the 7th house, Venus is the lord of 12th from B. Venus is in the 4th >from >>Saturn and under normal circumstances, it would contribute 12 points. >>However, in this case it would not. That is the difference that you are >>getting Donna. >> >>I had posted a new version of the worksheet on the list several days ago. >>That one had a small error and immediately after I posted the file, I put >up >>a message about this error. The message cam through but the file never did! >> >>So, to avoid this problem, I have uploaded version 4.08 with Elizabeth's >>details in the files section. Please download it from there. If any one has >>problems, please let me know and I would send it as an individual email >>attachment directly without going through the . >> >>This version is completely (almost) automatic. You just have to enter the >>data on the basic sheet. All 12th lord adjustments are made automatically. >>Aspect values are also automatic. The only thing is that Krushnaji says >that >>numeric values do not have to be adjusted if Sun or Moon happen to be 12th >>lords. My worksheet does not discriminate between these and the other >>planets and deducts points whenever these happen to be 12th lords. I would >>correct this in a later version but in the meantime, there is a row left in >>the sheet for each house where you can make corrections for it. >> >>Please let me know in case of any problems or errors. >> >>Regards >>Sanjay >> >>- >><DQuinn12 >> >>Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:44 AM >> Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY >> >> >>Dear Sanjay, Krushna and Group - >> >> >>> So if we are all getting different values, there is going to be mass >>> confusion here and we are all going to go nuts! J For this venture to >>> ensure any level of success, we need to ALL be on the same page. >>> >>> For Krushna, Donna, and Peterâ?¦ to avoid confusion, we should probably >>> number these exercises. Like say this Queen is â?oExercise 1.â?? The >next >>> will be Exercise 2, etc.. Just a suggestionâ?¦J >>> >> >>I am in total agreement here about the worksheet. I got most of Sanjay's >>same >>totals, except for Saturn which I understand has to have some sort of >>calculation because of the 12th house lord adjustment, but I can't figure >>out >>how he comes up with this total. My total was 43 and his was 31. That's a >>difference of -12 points that should've been subtracted in row 16e, but I >>can't figure out how he came up with that amount, unless I'm wrong about >>this >>too. Alot of this confusion in the worksheet also has to do with not >reading >>the instructions at the beginning, which caused me to put certain planets >in >>on the template portion when I should've left it blank. I didn't know this >>until I read the instructions again. So initially it will be a matter of >>remembering a few rules until we all get used to using the worksheet >>constantly, but once these steps are implemented correctly, everything else >>should automatically come out correctly. I would also suggest that everyone >>take advantage of the Upachaya program that is in the FILE section and use >>it >>on top of the worksheet as an advantage to seeing the Upcahaya chart >>placements correctly as well as the bindus in each house. It makes the >>procedure extremely easy to figure out. >> >>So for starters, let's call the Queen chart Exercise 1, as Sandy has >>suggested and this way we'll be able to keep track of these study charts. >> >>Thanks - >>Donna >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Ron, Did you check this and does it bear out? Regards Sanjay - " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:33 AM Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY Ron, Check it out yourself. Jupiter gets 5 points each in ABC making 15 as the basic strength. It has Saturn in the 4th from it and under normal circumstances, would have got 8 points from it as this is the total for Saturn in ABC. However, for the 7th house, Saturn happens to be the 12th lord, so these points are not to be added. Jupiter does not aspect A, B or C so it does not contribute any points to its strength. It is aspected only by Saturn. But it can't get any points as Saturn is 12th lord. So its strength remains at the basic 15. Do you see any flaws in this? I have put Saturn under Jupiter and Jupiter under Venus for 4th house points. If you like, I can send the worksheet as solved by me for you so that you can compare where the mistake is. I think my worksheet gives correct results. If you find any mistake, please let me know as there are so many formulas that some error might have got in. But before you ask me for the points, please verify the points that you get by following the simple manual logic. Sanjay - " Ron Gaunt " <arjee Wednesday, January 31, 2001 8:36 AM Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:15:57 +0700, you wrote: Sanjay, Thanks for V4.08. It is fantastic and a great tool for slow coaches like me. One thing I noticed is that when comparing the various house totals in the 'Sarva and Summary Tables' on this new version with the example of my chart given in the Lessons under 'Complete study of a chart', I note there are considerable differences in the figures. This confuses me. I don't know whether there are bugs in the spreadsheet, or whethe the Lesson figures are incorrect. Take for example my house 7 result for Jupiter, KRUSHNA shows a figure of 35 reduced to 28 after deleting the points due to the 12 Lord's aspect. The new version of the spreadsheet shows 15 - which is a vast difference. There are many other discrepancies. Any suggestions? Ron Gaunt >Dear Ron, > >Here you are. > >Sanjay > >- > " Ron Gaunt " <arjee > >Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:14 PM >Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY > > >On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:50:57 +0700, you wrote: > >Sanjay, > >I tried to download V4.08 from the Group but it says that it is >not available. I would appreciate it if you would send me a >copy. Thanks for all your efforts. > > >Ron Gaunt > > > >>Dear Donna, Sandy, and list members >> >>In the 7th house, Venus is the lord of 12th from B. Venus is in the 4th >from >>Saturn and under normal circumstances, it would contribute 12 points. >>However, in this case it would not. That is the difference that you are >>getting Donna. >> >>I had posted a new version of the worksheet on the list several days ago. >>That one had a small error and immediately after I posted the file, I put >up >>a message about this error. The message cam through but the file never did! >> >>So, to avoid this problem, I have uploaded version 4.08 with Elizabeth's >>details in the files section. Please download it from there. If any one has >>problems, please let me know and I would send it as an individual email >>attachment directly without going through the . >> >>This version is completely (almost) automatic. You just have to enter the >>data on the basic sheet. All 12th lord adjustments are made automatically. >>Aspect values are also automatic. The only thing is that Krushnaji says >that >>numeric values do not have to be adjusted if Sun or Moon happen to be 12th >>lords. My worksheet does not discriminate between these and the other >>planets and deducts points whenever these happen to be 12th lords. I would >>correct this in a later version but in the meantime, there is a row left in >>the sheet for each house where you can make corrections for it. >> >>Please let me know in case of any problems or errors. >> >>Regards >>Sanjay >> >>- >><DQuinn12 >> >>Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:44 AM >> Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY >> >> >>Dear Sanjay, Krushna and Group - >> >> >>> So if we are all getting different values, there is going to be mass >>> confusion here and we are all going to go nuts! J For this venture to >>> ensure any level of success, we need to ALL be on the same page. >>> >>> For Krushna, Donna, and Peterâ?¦ to avoid confusion, we should probably >>> number these exercises. Like say this Queen is â?oExercise 1.â?? The >next >>> will be Exercise 2, etc.. Just a suggestionâ?¦J >>> >> >>I am in total agreement here about the worksheet. I got most of Sanjay's >>same >>totals, except for Saturn which I understand has to have some sort of >>calculation because of the 12th house lord adjustment, but I can't figure >>out >>how he comes up with this total. My total was 43 and his was 31. That's a >>difference of -12 points that should've been subtracted in row 16e, but I >>can't figure out how he came up with that amount, unless I'm wrong about >>this >>too. Alot of this confusion in the worksheet also has to do with not >reading >>the instructions at the beginning, which caused me to put certain planets >in >>on the template portion when I should've left it blank. I didn't know this >>until I read the instructions again. So initially it will be a matter of >>remembering a few rules until we all get used to using the worksheet >>constantly, but once these steps are implemented correctly, everything else >>should automatically come out correctly. I would also suggest that everyone >>take advantage of the Upachaya program that is in the FILE section and use >>it >>on top of the worksheet as an advantage to seeing the Upcahaya chart >>placements correctly as well as the bindus in each house. It makes the >>procedure extremely easy to figure out. >> >>So for starters, let's call the Queen chart Exercise 1, as Sandy has >>suggested and this way we'll be able to keep track of these study charts. >> >>Thanks - >>Donna >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2001 Report Share Posted February 1, 2001 On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:24:27 +0700, you wrote: Sanjay, Yes I did check and Iagree with your logic. The real reason for my mail was not that I suspected your spreadsheet; it was a hope that it would be picked up by Krushna and his chart table revised so that we have things correct. My knowledge at present on this system is very elementary, and I was wondering whether his figures incorporated something that I (we) have still not understood. Thanks for all your efforts. They are very much appreciated. Ron. PS. I note that the 'Rank' in the Final Point Strengths cannot be changed when two Planets have the same number of points. Whilst it isn't a major problem it would be nice to have it corrected. >Ron, > >Did you check this and does it bear out? > >Regards >Sanjay > >- > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > >Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:33 AM >Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY > > >Ron, > >Check it out yourself. Jupiter gets 5 points each in ABC making 15 as the >basic strength. It has Saturn in the 4th from it and under normal >circumstances, would have got 8 points from it as this is the total for >Saturn in ABC. However, for the 7th house, Saturn happens to be the 12th >lord, so these points are not to be added. > >Jupiter does not aspect A, B or C so it does not contribute any points to >its strength. It is aspected only by Saturn. But it can't get any points as >Saturn is 12th lord. So its strength remains at the basic 15. > >Do you see any flaws in this? > >I have put Saturn under Jupiter and Jupiter under Venus for 4th house >points. If you like, I can send the worksheet as solved by me for you so >that you can compare where the mistake is. I think my worksheet gives >correct results. If you find any mistake, please let me know as there are so >many formulas that some error might have got in. But before you ask me for >the points, please verify the points that you get by following the simple >manual logic. > >Sanjay > >- > " Ron Gaunt " <arjee > >Wednesday, January 31, 2001 8:36 AM >Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY > > >On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:15:57 +0700, you wrote: > >Sanjay, > >Thanks for V4.08. It is fantastic and a great tool for slow >coaches like me. > >One thing I noticed is that when comparing the various house >totals in the 'Sarva and Summary Tables' on this new version with >the example of my chart given in the Lessons under 'Complete >study of a chart', I note there are considerable differences in >the figures. This confuses me. I don't know whether there >are bugs in the spreadsheet, or whethe the Lesson figures are >incorrect. Take for example my house 7 result for Jupiter, >KRUSHNA shows a figure of 35 reduced to 28 after deleting the >points due to the 12 Lord's aspect. The new version of the >spreadsheet shows 15 - which is a vast difference. There are >many other discrepancies. Any suggestions? > > >Ron Gaunt > > > > >>Dear Ron, >> >>Here you are. >> >>Sanjay >> >>- >> " Ron Gaunt " <arjee >> >>Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:14 PM >>Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY >> >> >>On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:50:57 +0700, you wrote: >> >>Sanjay, >> >>I tried to download V4.08 from the Group but it says that it is >>not available. I would appreciate it if you would send me a >>copy. Thanks for all your efforts. >> >> >>Ron Gaunt >> >> >> >>>Dear Donna, Sandy, and list members >>> >>>In the 7th house, Venus is the lord of 12th from B. Venus is in the 4th >>from >>>Saturn and under normal circumstances, it would contribute 12 points. >>>However, in this case it would not. That is the difference that you are >>>getting Donna. >>> >>>I had posted a new version of the worksheet on the list several days ago. >>>That one had a small error and immediately after I posted the file, I put >>up >>>a message about this error. The message cam through but the file never >did! >>> >>>So, to avoid this problem, I have uploaded version 4.08 with Elizabeth's >>>details in the files section. Please download it from there. If any one >has >>>problems, please let me know and I would send it as an individual email >>>attachment directly without going through the . >>> >>>This version is completely (almost) automatic. You just have to enter the >>>data on the basic sheet. All 12th lord adjustments are made automatically. >>>Aspect values are also automatic. The only thing is that Krushnaji says >>that >>>numeric values do not have to be adjusted if Sun or Moon happen to be 12th >>>lords. My worksheet does not discriminate between these and the other >>>planets and deducts points whenever these happen to be 12th lords. I would >>>correct this in a later version but in the meantime, there is a row left >in >>>the sheet for each house where you can make corrections for it. >>> >>>Please let me know in case of any problems or errors. >>> >>>Regards >>>Sanjay >>> >>>- >>><DQuinn12 >>> >>>Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:44 AM >>> Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY >>> >>> >>>Dear Sanjay, Krushna and Group - >>> >>> >>>> So if we are all getting different values, there is going to be mass >>>> confusion here and we are all going to go nuts! J For this venture to >>>> ensure any level of success, we need to ALL be on the same page. >>>> >>>> For Krushna, Donna, and Peterâ?¦ to avoid confusion, we should probably >>>> number these exercises. Like say this Queen is â?oExercise 1.â?? The >>next >>>> will be Exercise 2, etc.. Just a suggestionâ?¦J >>>> >>> >>>I am in total agreement here about the worksheet. I got most of Sanjay's >>>same >>>totals, except for Saturn which I understand has to have some sort of >>>calculation because of the 12th house lord adjustment, but I can't figure >>>out >>>how he comes up with this total. My total was 43 and his was 31. That's a >>>difference of -12 points that should've been subtracted in row 16e, but I >>>can't figure out how he came up with that amount, unless I'm wrong about >>>this >>>too. Alot of this confusion in the worksheet also has to do with not >>reading >>>the instructions at the beginning, which caused me to put certain planets >>in >>>on the template portion when I should've left it blank. I didn't know this >>>until I read the instructions again. So initially it will be a matter of >>>remembering a few rules until we all get used to using the worksheet >>>constantly, but once these steps are implemented correctly, everything >else >>>should automatically come out correctly. I would also suggest that >everyone >>>take advantage of the Upachaya program that is in the FILE section and use >>>it >>>on top of the worksheet as an advantage to seeing the Upcahaya chart >>>placements correctly as well as the bindus in each house. It makes the >>>procedure extremely easy to figure out. >>> >>>So for starters, let's call the Queen chart Exercise 1, as Sandy has >>>suggested and this way we'll be able to keep track of these study charts. >>> >>>Thanks - >>>Donna >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2001 Report Share Posted February 1, 2001 Ron, Oh, I wasn't defending the sheet. It can have some errors and I will sort these out when I get to know about them. I see your point about what you wanted Krushnaji to do. Of course, we would all be happier if he spends more time with us. About the rank, Excel rank function gives the same rank for equal points. I haven't figured out how to correct that yet but I have removed the irritating #N/A which used to appear for equal points in the previous versions of the worksheet :-) Sanjay - " Ron Gaunt " <arjee Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:59 PM Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:24:27 +0700, you wrote: Sanjay, Yes I did check and Iagree with your logic. The real reason for my mail was not that I suspected your spreadsheet; it was a hope that it would be picked up by Krushna and his chart table revised so that we have things correct. My knowledge at present on this system is very elementary, and I was wondering whether his figures incorporated something that I (we) have still not understood. Thanks for all your efforts. They are very much appreciated. Ron. PS. I note that the 'Rank' in the Final Point Strengths cannot be changed when two Planets have the same number of points. Whilst it isn't a major problem it would be nice to have it corrected. >Ron, > >Did you check this and does it bear out? > >Regards >Sanjay > >- > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > >Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:33 AM >Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY > > >Ron, > >Check it out yourself. Jupiter gets 5 points each in ABC making 15 as the >basic strength. It has Saturn in the 4th from it and under normal >circumstances, would have got 8 points from it as this is the total for >Saturn in ABC. However, for the 7th house, Saturn happens to be the 12th >lord, so these points are not to be added. > >Jupiter does not aspect A, B or C so it does not contribute any points to >its strength. It is aspected only by Saturn. But it can't get any points as >Saturn is 12th lord. So its strength remains at the basic 15. > >Do you see any flaws in this? > >I have put Saturn under Jupiter and Jupiter under Venus for 4th house >points. If you like, I can send the worksheet as solved by me for you so >that you can compare where the mistake is. I think my worksheet gives >correct results. If you find any mistake, please let me know as there are so >many formulas that some error might have got in. But before you ask me for >the points, please verify the points that you get by following the simple >manual logic. > >Sanjay > >- > " Ron Gaunt " <arjee > >Wednesday, January 31, 2001 8:36 AM >Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY > > >On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:15:57 +0700, you wrote: > >Sanjay, > >Thanks for V4.08. It is fantastic and a great tool for slow >coaches like me. > >One thing I noticed is that when comparing the various house >totals in the 'Sarva and Summary Tables' on this new version with >the example of my chart given in the Lessons under 'Complete >study of a chart', I note there are considerable differences in >the figures. This confuses me. I don't know whether there >are bugs in the spreadsheet, or whethe the Lesson figures are >incorrect. Take for example my house 7 result for Jupiter, >KRUSHNA shows a figure of 35 reduced to 28 after deleting the >points due to the 12 Lord's aspect. The new version of the >spreadsheet shows 15 - which is a vast difference. There are >many other discrepancies. Any suggestions? > > >Ron Gaunt > > > > >>Dear Ron, >> >>Here you are. >> >>Sanjay >> >>- >> " Ron Gaunt " <arjee >> >>Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:14 PM >>Re: Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY >> >> >>On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:50:57 +0700, you wrote: >> >>Sanjay, >> >>I tried to download V4.08 from the Group but it says that it is >>not available. I would appreciate it if you would send me a >>copy. Thanks for all your efforts. >> >> >>Ron Gaunt >> >> >> >>>Dear Donna, Sandy, and list members >>> >>>In the 7th house, Venus is the lord of 12th from B. Venus is in the 4th >>from >>>Saturn and under normal circumstances, it would contribute 12 points. >>>However, in this case it would not. That is the difference that you are >>>getting Donna. >>> >>>I had posted a new version of the worksheet on the list several days ago. >>>That one had a small error and immediately after I posted the file, I put >>up >>>a message about this error. The message cam through but the file never >did! >>> >>>So, to avoid this problem, I have uploaded version 4.08 with Elizabeth's >>>details in the files section. Please download it from there. If any one >has >>>problems, please let me know and I would send it as an individual email >>>attachment directly without going through the . >>> >>>This version is completely (almost) automatic. You just have to enter the >>>data on the basic sheet. All 12th lord adjustments are made automatically. >>>Aspect values are also automatic. The only thing is that Krushnaji says >>that >>>numeric values do not have to be adjusted if Sun or Moon happen to be 12th >>>lords. My worksheet does not discriminate between these and the other >>>planets and deducts points whenever these happen to be 12th lords. I would >>>correct this in a later version but in the meantime, there is a row left >in >>>the sheet for each house where you can make corrections for it. >>> >>>Please let me know in case of any problems or errors. >>> >>>Regards >>>Sanjay >>> >>>- >>><DQuinn12 >>> >>>Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:44 AM >>> Re: A Exercise ATTN: SANJAY >>> >>> >>>Dear Sanjay, Krushna and Group - >>> >>> >>>> So if we are all getting different values, there is going to be mass >>>> confusion here and we are all going to go nuts! J For this venture to >>>> ensure any level of success, we need to ALL be on the same page. >>>> >>>> For Krushna, Donna, and Peterâ?¦ to avoid confusion, we should probably >>>> number these exercises. Like say this Queen is â?oExercise 1.â?? The >>next >>>> will be Exercise 2, etc.. Just a suggestionâ?¦J >>>> >>> >>>I am in total agreement here about the worksheet. I got most of Sanjay's >>>same >>>totals, except for Saturn which I understand has to have some sort of >>>calculation because of the 12th house lord adjustment, but I can't figure >>>out >>>how he comes up with this total. My total was 43 and his was 31. That's a >>>difference of -12 points that should've been subtracted in row 16e, but I >>>can't figure out how he came up with that amount, unless I'm wrong about >>>this >>>too. Alot of this confusion in the worksheet also has to do with not >>reading >>>the instructions at the beginning, which caused me to put certain planets >>in >>>on the template portion when I should've left it blank. I didn't know this >>>until I read the instructions again. So initially it will be a matter of >>>remembering a few rules until we all get used to using the worksheet >>>constantly, but once these steps are implemented correctly, everything >else >>>should automatically come out correctly. I would also suggest that >everyone >>>take advantage of the Upachaya program that is in the FILE section and use >>>it >>>on top of the worksheet as an advantage to seeing the Upcahaya chart >>>placements correctly as well as the bindus in each house. It makes the >>>procedure extremely easy to figure out. >>> >>>So for starters, let's call the Queen chart Exercise 1, as Sandy has >>>suggested and this way we'll be able to keep track of these study charts. >>> >>>Thanks - >>>Donna >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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