Exercise 2

[Guest guest]

Krushna requested another exercise; so I suggest we carry on with

royalty as we can be certain of their birth times.

 

Let's now look at Prince Charles. His data is:

 

DOB 14 Nov 1948

9.14 pm GMT

London 51N30, 000W10

Ascendant 12 Cancer 15 Lahiri

 

Events in his life to check are:

 

27 Aug 79 Lord Louis Mountbatten killed by bomb expolosion.

This was a severe blow to Prince Charles as he

idolised him.

 

29 Jul 81 Married Diana Spencer

 

21 Jun 82 Prince William born.

 

28 Aug 96 Divorced

 

31 Aug 97 Diana killed in auutomobile accident in Paris

 

Its interesting to note that 3 of these 5 events occured in late

August and they are all major problems for the Prince. Does the

'Probable Date Table' signify the correct planets?

 

Ron Gaunt

[Guest guest]

I am not so sure that we can be absolutely certain of the birth times of

royalty. Famous people might deliberately change their data to confuse

predictions.

 

However, assuming it is correct, we can try the analysis.

 

1. Death of Lord Mountbatten - If we assume Mountbatten to be his Guru or

Mentor, he would be seen from the 9th house and his death from the 4th. He

died in Moon-Rahu. Rahu is samdharmi to Mars, Moon and Ketu. Moon is lord of

D with 10 points and Mars is the 2nd strongest significator with 20 points.

It makes sense to have the death in this period.

 

2. Marriage - I can't make sense why he got married in the sub of Jupiter if

I look at the 7th house. However, Krushnaji said that for Western culture,

marriage should be seen from the 5th or 12th house. If we see the 12th

house, Jupiter is the strongest significator and it is the lord of D. So

marriage in the sub of Jupiter makes sense.

 

3. Birth of child - 5 out of 7 planets are weak in the worksheet for 5th

house. I can't see birth in Saturn sub or conception in Jupiter sub.

 

4. Divorce - It happened in the sub of Rahu. Rahu is samdharmi to Moon, Mars

and Ketu. As Moon and Rahu are very close together, Rahu is more likely to

take on the nature of Moon and can lead to the results of Moon which has

only 5 points in the 12 house sheet and will give bad results.

 

5. Death of wife - I am not sure whether we can see this as there is no

relationship after the divorce. I looked at the 2nd house but found did not

find any conclusive reason as to why the death should be in the sub of

Jupiter even though it has only 8 points in the worksheet.

 

Incidenatlly, if the chart data is correct, there is a very strong

likelihood that he might follow as the king.

 

Sanjay

 

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" Ron Gaunt " <arjee

 

Tuesday, February 06, 2001 2:10 PM

Exercise 2

 

 

Krushna requested another exercise; so I suggest we carry on with

royalty as we can be certain of their birth times.

 

Let's now look at Prince Charles. His data is:

 

DOB 14 Nov 1948

9.14 pm GMT

London 51N30, 000W10

Ascendant 12 Cancer 15 Lahiri

 

Events in his life to check are:

 

27 Aug 79 Lord Louis Mountbatten killed by bomb expolosion.

This was a severe blow to Prince Charles as he

idolised him.

 

29 Jul 81 Married Diana Spencer

 

21 Jun 82 Prince William born.

 

28 Aug 96 Divorced

 

31 Aug 97 Diana killed in auutomobile accident in Paris

 

Its interesting to note that 3 of these 5 events occured in late

August and they are all major problems for the Prince. Does the

'Probable Date Table' signify the correct planets?

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay,

With royalty in England there is a public announcement within minutes of the

birth so that everything is on record. I'm not sure but I believe that it is

a law that the correct time must be recorded in the case of Royalty.

In the case of Dianne Princess of Wales she of course did not belong to

Royalty at birth and therefore her correct birth time has caused some

dispute.

 

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter,

 

Thanks for the lesson. I will keep that in mind.

 

Regards

Sanjay

 

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" Peter Sutcliffe " <petermay

 

Wednesday, February 07, 2001 7:32 AM

Re: Exercise 2

 

 

Dear Sanjay,

With royalty in England there is a public announcement within minutes of the

birth so that everything is on record. I'm not sure but I believe that it is

a law that the correct time must be recorded in the case of Royalty.

In the case of Dianne Princess of Wales she of course did not belong to

Royalty at birth and therefore her correct birth time has caused some

dispute.

 

Peter

Namaste

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear List Members,

I found this a very difficult chart to assess using astakavarga. Most

indicators were not where they could be expected although you coul derive

them logically.

Krushna states that astakavarga can give event dates within a reasonable

time span for 90% of cases. If the dates of the events had not been known I

feel that this would have been one of the 10%.

1) Death of Mountbatten

I took the 9th as the house of the Guru and the 12th from the ninth as House

B (loss of a friend)

Mars is the highest point scorer with28 points and it aspects Hoouse C.

However it is also the lord of House D and therefore eager to give result.

Rahu being sandharmi to Mars can also give result.

The death took place on 27 August 1979 in the sub-period of Rahu

 

2) Marriage to Diana Spencer

The marriage between Charles and Diana was doomed from the start with

Charles having 30 points in the 1st and only 20 in the 7th indicating that

he would try to dominate her. It is well known that Diana became very

stubborn when anyone tried to dominate her. There are other indications

also. The seventh just doesn't work for this marriage but this is not

surprising when you look at the very low points scored by all planets in the

7th.

Krushna stated that in western marriages the 12th house of bed comforts is

often most important so this is the house I used. Ju has most points at 22.

Ju aspects house B but is also the lord of house D and is therefore eager to

give marriage.

The marriage took place on 21 July 1981 in the sub-period of Jupiter.

3)Birth of son William.

I have never tried to determine the date of birth in a mans chart before but

I tend to agree with Margarita that it could take place in the 5th from the

7th - in this case the 11th.

Sa has maximum points with 26.

Sa aspects house B but is also the lord of D and is eager to give a result.

Birth took place 21ts june 1982 in sub-period of Saturn. Conception would

also have occurred in this period

 

4)Divorce. To me divorce is a matter of littigation and as such could be

signified by the 8th house. Using the 8th as B Mars has maximum points with

28.

Mars aspects C but is also lord of D and therefore eager to give the result.

Rahu is sandharmi to Mars and can also give result.

Divorce was granted on 28th August 1996 and in the sub-period of Rahu

 

5)Death of Diana

Although separation had occurred before this there still would have been a

strong tie between them even if only because of the children. Perhaps the

tie was much weaker and this is why the 8th from the 7th does not work.

However using the 12th house loss of friend/separation from family, shows Ju

with maximum points at 22 and also the lord of D therefore eager to give the

result.

The death took place 31st August 1997 in the sub-period of Jupiter

 

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Hello Sanjay,

We are all waiting for Krushna's return. In the meanwhile, could you comment on what you wrote about the chart of Prince Charles : "if the chart data is correct, there is a very strong likelyhood that he might follow as king"

Thanks, also for the worksheet that really saves a lot of time

Margarita

 

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Sanjay Jaggia

Tuesday, February 06, 2001 2:35 PM

Re: Exercise 2

I am not so sure that we can be absolutely certain of the birth times ofroyalty. Famous people might deliberately change their data to confusepredictions.However, assuming it is correct, we can try the analysis.1. Death of Lord Mountbatten - If we assume Mountbatten to be his Guru orMentor, he would be seen from the 9th house and his death from the 4th. Hedied in Moon-Rahu. Rahu is samdharmi to Mars, Moon and Ketu. Moon is lord ofD with 10 points and Mars is the 2nd strongest significator with 20 points.It makes sense to have the death in this period.2. Marriage - I can't make sense why he got married in the sub of Jupiter ifI look at the 7th house. However, Krushnaji said that for Western culture,marriage should be seen from the 5th or 12th house. If we see the 12thhouse, Jupiter is the strongest significator and it is the lord of D. Somarriage in the sub of Jupiter makes sense.3. Birth of child - 5 out of 7 planets are weak in the worksheet for 5thhouse. I can't see birth in Saturn sub or conception in Jupiter sub.4. Divorce - It happened in the sub of Rahu. Rahu is samdharmi to Moon, Marsand Ketu. As Moon and Rahu are very close together, Rahu is more likely totake on the nature of Moon and can lead to the results of Moon which hasonly 5 points in the 12 house sheet and will give bad results.5. Death of wife - I am not sure whether we can see this as there is norelationship after the divorce. I looked at the 2nd house but found did notfind any conclusive reason as to why the death should be in the sub ofJupiter even though it has only 8 points in the worksheet.Incidenatlly, if the chart data is correct, there is a very stronglikelihood that he might follow as the king.Sanjay-"Ron Gaunt" <arjeeTuesday, February 06, 2001 2:10 PM Exercise 2Krushna requested another exercise; so I suggest we carry on withroyalty as we can be certain of their birth times.Let's now look at Prince Charles. His data is:DOB 14 Nov 19489.14 pm GMTLondon 51N30, 000W10Ascendant 12 Cancer 15 LahiriEvents in his life to check are:27 Aug 79 Lord Louis Mountbatten killed by bomb expolosion. This was a severe blow to Prince Charles as he idolised him.29 Jul 81 Married Diana Spencer21 Jun 82 Prince William born.28 Aug 96 Divorced31 Aug 97 Diana killed in auutomobile accident in ParisIts interesting to note that 3 of these 5 events occured in lateAugust and they are all major problems for the Prince. Does the'Probable Date Table' signify the correct planets?Ron Gaunt

[Guest guest]

Dear List Members,

Yesterday I was asked if I could look at a female chart to see if I could give advice as where in the world she may be happy as she felt unsettled in Australia. During the course of doing this I happened to do an astakaverga worksheet (Ver 4.09) on her chart.

I was absolutely amazed at the chart - it is quite stunning. For every house Saturn is the major point scorer and the number of these points is unbelievable, she has more than 40 points in most of them and in house 10 Saturn actually gets 62 points. I though you may be interested in having a look at the chart and I would appreciate any comments.

Birth Data

Zita - Female

Date 6th August 1968

Time 8.30 am

Time Zone CET = -1hr.

Place Budapest Hungary

Longitutde 19E05

Latitude 47N30

Lagna 05Virgo 00

I hope you find the chart interesting and I would appreciate any comments on the chart.

By the way I advised her that she might be happier in Toronto.

 

All the best,

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Krushna, and other list members,

 

I was looking at the "Natural Sandharmis" the other day and noted that Mars is the NS for the Moon and the Sun, and Saturn was the NS for VEnus. I was surprised therefore to note that Jupiter is not given as a natural Sandahrmi for Mercury - the two Jupiter houses are each four houses from the two Venus houses and I would have thought that it therefore would qualify. Is there any reason why Jupiter is "NOT" the natural Sandharmi for Mercury.

 

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter,

Finally I found some time to look at this chart.I also did the worksheet and if Saturn is of course the most powerfull planet I don't get these high scores. Of course Saturn collects the points of the Sun, Mercury and Mars but for the 10th house it's 51 points. I don't know where the difference comes from, but whatever it may be, Saturn is indeed very strong.

But Saturn is lord of the 6th in the 8th and in Aries which is not really the best place for him. So I suppose he will give mixed results for all houses. Saturn is also vargotamma and this makes him strong, for good and bad results.

The sixth house seems very mixed because of the sights it gets.

I don't know if a location has to do with happyness; I've some doubts about that. Why did you suggest Toronto ? pershaps because the Moon falls at the desc somewhere ?

I rather see her unsettled life through following factors :

Mars , lord of 3 and 8 and Saturn lord of 5 and 6 aspect the 2nd house of family life, etc

Jupiter, lord of the 4th (home) is in the 12th

Moon is in the 4th and Moon is very changeable

Nodal axis through 1/7

If you count outer planets Uranus on the asc. but you don't need him to see her life will never be settled and she would be very bored if she had to live in the same place all her life .

I think it's a very interesting chart. I don't feel it's a blessing if there are extremes in strenght for planets because it creates many ups and downs. This is also seen by the points of the Moon who is very emotional : in the 5th her points drop to 2 then jump to 7 in the 6th, then fall to 2 again in the 7th. So each month her emotions follow this pattern, up and down.

Thank you for presenting this chart and your comment. Why do you think Australia is not all right ??

Best regards

Margarita

 

 

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Peter Sutcliffe

Friday, February 16, 2001 1:23 AM

Re: Exercise 2

 

Dear List Members,

Yesterday I was asked if I could look at a female chart to see if I could give advice as where in the world she may be happy as she felt unsettled in Australia. During the course of doing this I happened to do an astakaverga worksheet (Ver 4.09) on her chart.

I was absolutely amazed at the chart - it is quite stunning. For every house Saturn is the major point scorer and the number of these points is unbelievable, she has more than 40 points in most of them and in house 10 Saturn actually gets 62 points. I though you may be interested in having a look at the chart and I would appreciate any comments.

Birth Data

Zita - Female

Date 6th August 1968

Time 8.30 am

Time Zone CET = -1hr.

Place Budapest Hungary

Longitutde 19E05

Latitude 47N30

Lagna 05Virgo 00

I hope you find the chart interesting and I would appreciate any comments on the chart.

By the way I advised her that she might be happier in Toronto.

 

All the best,

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji

The Saturn is powerful for all the houses except 7th, 6th

houses. Mars, Mercury and Sun is situated in the fourth place from

Saturn. If we study the chart We will find that the Rulers of 1and

7th houses are in 2:12 relation ship, 2:8 houses in 2:12 relation

ship, 3:9 also 2:12 and 4th :10 houses lords are in 2:12 relationship.

5:10 lords are 5:9 relation ship and 6:12 house lords are 9:5

relation ship.

This indicates the person is not getting appreciation from

either of two houses indicated by 2:12 relation ship. Suppose the

person is doing some work, 10 house, may not be getting appreciation

from 4th house means family members.

The influence of Saturn on all the houses, makes the person

nerous breakdown, and leads person to away from worldly things, and

makes him lack of self confidence. The person does not seems to be

more intelligent.

Jupiter situated in 12th house with Venus and in the

constellation of Venus Makes it samdharmi to Venus, (2nd lord).

Current sub period of Jupiter Being samdharmi to Venus gives more

worries, and unnecessary tensions. This may give also unnecessary

wondering with out any aim.

I would recommond her some sort of meditation to relax herself.

This will increase her mental power.

Change of place may not be the solution for being unsettled.

When the sub of Saturn will start she will get good companey, and

good friend, who can help her.

krushna

 

 

 

, " Peter Sutcliffe "

<petermay@p...> wrote:

> Dear List Members,

> Yesterday I was asked if I could look at a female chart to see if I

could give advice as where in the world she may be happy as she felt

unsettled in Australia. During the course of doing this I happened to

do an astakaverga worksheet (Ver 4.09) on her chart.

> I was absolutely amazed at the chart - it is quite stunning. For

every house Saturn is the major point scorer and the number of these

points is unbelievable, she has more than 40 points in most of them

and in house 10 Saturn actually gets 62 points. I though you may be

interested in having a look at the chart and I would appreciate any

comments.

> Birth Data

> Zita - Female

> Date 6th August 1968

> Time 8.30 am

> Time Zone CET = -1hr.

> Place Budapest Hungary

> Longitutde 19E05

> Latitude 47N30

> Lagna 05Virgo 00

> I hope you find the chart interesting and I would appreciate any

comments on the chart.

> By the way I advised her that she might be happier in Toronto.

>

> All the best,

> Peter

> Namaste

[Guest guest]

Dear Margarita,

I think the difference in points may be because I did not make any adjustments for the Sun in the worksheet, I just completed the basic details then looked at the summary.

The chart was not for a client of mine but the client of a friend of mine. She asked me about the possibility of re-location because the client was not happy here in Australia - she felt stiffled and held back. Lyla, my friend, knows very little about re-location whereas I happen tro have a re-location program. In the program you use the natal chart and move to where there will favourable planets overhead. This brings up the question - "Favourable for what" if it is romance then obviously Venus or Mars would be the best planet. I did not feel that using Satrun would be satisfactory as is malefic and in view of the clients feeling that she was stiffled I used Jupiter which is much more expansive. Canada was one of the places mentioned by the client and in Toronto both Jupiter and the Lagna would be just about overhead. This was the basis of my reasoning.

Jupiter is somewhat weak and still has a wide connection with Saturn but I thought it would be the best for her.

 

Peter

Namaste