Thinking about Tiruvannamalai, Arunachala and Ramanasramam

[Guest guest]

Dear Group,

 

With the recent passing of my wife's mother, who had lived with us

for the last year and a half, we think by the end of the year

we will rid ourselves of most of our life's accumulation of

possessions and move to Tiruvannamalai, wanting to be close to

Arunachala and Ramanasramam.

 

I realized recently that we really desire to enter the Vanaprastha

stage of life. For Americans, to leave all the material comforts and

to life a more simple life where the focus is on spiritual practice,

this is surely the same idea.

 

We have to leave our children (all grown now) and grandchildren. Even

harder, we will leave the frequent contact and teaching of Nome.

 

Our hope is that the years we have spent 'at his feet' have given us

what we need to keep intensifying our practice. We also have CD

recordings of about four years of satsangs. In these the teaching is

always deep and timeless. Presently we listen to these daily. We will

surely do the same in India.

 

To start with we will try to find a place to rent near Ramanasramam.

 

While we have been thinking of this for several years, now it becomes

the plan we act to fulfill. We both feel some nervousness about the

move -- it is a great change in life, very different than the lives

we have led. Do we really have the intense desire for liberation to

make this the focus of each day? We feel 'in the hands of Ramana' and

this eases the concern, but still it is there.

 

I just wanted to share with you. Perhaps I will write more about this

as we prepare. Perhaps we can meet in Tiruvannamalai someday!

 

Not two,

Richard

[Guest guest]

Dear Richard,

 

Thank you for sharing. Your dedication to the path of liberation is

admirable. Sri Ramana used to say that our body has come into being for

the purpose of having certain experiences. Our freedom lies in the

awareness which is untouched by what we do or not do.

 

The sahaj path is the natural path. To be at ease with ourself in

awareness is the way. That way is found in all places and times and all

paths. It is the Great Way.

 

Much love to you and your family Richard.

Harsha

 

Richard Clarke wrote:

> Dear Group,

>

> With the recent passing of my wife's mother, who had lived with us

> for the last year and a half, we think by the end of the year

> we will rid ourselves of most of our life's accumulation of

> possessions and move to Tiruvannamalai, wanting to be close to

> Arunachala and Ramanasramam.

>

> I realized recently that we really desire to enter the Vanaprastha

> stage of life. For Americans, to leave all the material comforts and

> to life a more simple life where the focus is on spiritual practice,

> this is surely the same idea.

>

> We have to leave our children (all grown now) and grandchildren. Even

> harder, we will leave the frequent contact and teaching of Nome.

>

> Our hope is that the years we have spent 'at his feet' have given us

> what we need to keep intensifying our practice. We also have CD

> recordings of about four years of satsangs. In these the teaching is

> always deep and timeless. Presently we listen to these daily. We will

> surely do the same in India.

>

> To start with we will try to find a place to rent near Ramanasramam.

>

> While we have been thinking of this for several years, now it becomes

> the plan we act to fulfill. We both feel some nervousness about the

> move -- it is a great change in life, very different than the lives

> we have led. Do we really have the intense desire for liberation to

> make this the focus of each day? We feel 'in the hands of Ramana' and

> this eases the concern, but still it is there.

>

> I just wanted to share with you. Perhaps I will write more about this

> as we prepare. Perhaps we can meet in Tiruvannamalai someday!

>

> Not two,

> Richard

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Harsha,

 

Thank you for the encouragement and kind words.

 

I think this move is really driven by the growing knowledge that

lasting happiness is not to be found with anything that is objective.

 

This knowledge has been growing for the last few years, so the desire

to look within becomes greater and greater. Adi Sankara talked, in

his four-fold qualifications, of Vairagya - dispassion. Nome has said

that this really grows from an understanding of the source of

happiness.

 

So with growing dispassion I also find growing desire for liberation,

and feel the need to make this the focus of my days. What else is

there to do?

 

Not two,

Richard

 

 

, Harsha wrote:

>

> Dear Richard,

>

> Thank you for sharing. Your dedication to the path of liberation is

> admirable. Sri Ramana used to say that our body has come into being

for

> the purpose of having certain experiences. Our freedom lies in the

> awareness which is untouched by what we do or not do.

>

> The sahaj path is the natural path. To be at ease with ourself in

> awareness is the way. That way is found in all places and times and

all

> paths. It is the Great Way.

>

> Much love to you and your family Richard.

> Harsha

[Guest guest]

Dear Richard,

 

this is a big undertaking - but can you as a Westerner bear the heat

and circumstances there in the hot months and during the whole year?

For the body it is not a healthy undertaking - and I say this as it

reminds me on someone, who went there exactly for the same - sounded

the same - and came back to the West sick haven given up his

undertaking. A warning vioce in the enthusiast may perhaps not be

out of place. So I trust it will become what you are expecting.

Gabriele sounds doubtful - but this is not out of reason.

 

Kind regards

Gabriele

 

 

 

, " Richard Clarke "

<richard wrote:

>

> Dear Group,

>

> With the recent passing of my wife's mother, who had lived with us

> for the last year and a half, we think by the end of the year

> we will rid ourselves of most of our life's accumulation of

> possessions and move to Tiruvannamalai, wanting to be close to

> Arunachala and Ramanasramam.

>

> I realized recently that we really desire to enter the Vanaprastha

> stage of life. For Americans, to leave all the material comforts

and

> to life a more simple life where the focus is on spiritual

practice,

> this is surely the same idea.

>

> We have to leave our children (all grown now) and grandchildren.

Even

> harder, we will leave the frequent contact and teaching of Nome.

>

> Our hope is that the years we have spent 'at his feet' have given

us

> what we need to keep intensifying our practice. We also have CD

> recordings of about four years of satsangs. In these the teaching

is

> always deep and timeless. Presently we listen to these daily. We

will

> surely do the same in India.

>

> To start with we will try to find a place to rent near

Ramanasramam.

>

> While we have been thinking of this for several years, now it

becomes

> the plan we act to fulfill. We both feel some nervousness about the

> move -- it is a great change in life, very different than the lives

> we have led. Do we really have the intense desire for liberation to

> make this the focus of each day? We feel 'in the hands of Ramana'

and

> this eases the concern, but still it is there.

>

> I just wanted to share with you. Perhaps I will write more about

this

> as we prepare. Perhaps we can meet in Tiruvannamalai someday!

>

> Not two,

> Richard

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gabriele,

 

Thank you for the caution. Certainly this is something that we have

thought about. We will see what the reality is like. There are other

westerners who live there, and have lived there for many years, like

David Godwin. So it is possible. As to how these bodies react, we

will see.

 

Not two,

Richard

 

, " Gabriele Ebert " <g.ebert

wrote:

>

> Dear Richard,

>

> this is a big undertaking - but can you as a Westerner bear the

heat

> and circumstances there in the hot months and during the whole

year?

> For the body it is not a healthy undertaking - and I say this as it

> reminds me on someone, who went there exactly for the same -

sounded

> the same - and came back to the West sick haven given up his

> undertaking. A warning vioce in the enthusiast may perhaps not be

> out of place. So I trust it will become what you are expecting.

> Gabriele sounds doubtful - but this is not out of reason.

>

> Kind regards

> Gabriele

>

>

>

> , " Richard Clarke "

> <richard@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Group,

> >

> > With the recent passing of my wife's mother, who had lived with

us

> > for the last year and a half, we think by the end of the year

> > we will rid ourselves of most of our life's accumulation of

> > possessions and move to Tiruvannamalai, wanting to be close to

> > Arunachala and Ramanasramam.

> >

> > I realized recently that we really desire to enter the Vanaprastha

> > stage of life. For Americans, to leave all the material comforts

> and

> > to life a more simple life where the focus is on spiritual

> practice,

> > this is surely the same idea.

> >

> > We have to leave our children (all grown now) and grandchildren.

> Even

> > harder, we will leave the frequent contact and teaching of Nome.

> >

> > Our hope is that the years we have spent 'at his feet' have given

> us

> > what we need to keep intensifying our practice. We also have CD

> > recordings of about four years of satsangs. In these the teaching

> is

> > always deep and timeless. Presently we listen to these daily. We

> will

> > surely do the same in India.

> >

> > To start with we will try to find a place to rent near

> Ramanasramam.

> >

> > While we have been thinking of this for several years, now it

> becomes

> > the plan we act to fulfill. We both feel some nervousness about

the

> > move -- it is a great change in life, very different than the

lives

> > we have led. Do we really have the intense desire for liberation

to

> > make this the focus of each day? We feel 'in the hands of Ramana'

> and

> > this eases the concern, but still it is there.

> >

> > I just wanted to share with you. Perhaps I will write more about

> this

> > as we prepare. Perhaps we can meet in Tiruvannamalai someday!

> >

> > Not two,

> > Richard

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, " Richard Clarke " <richard

wrote:

>

> Dear Harsha,

>

> Thank you for the encouragement and kind words.

>

> I think this move is really driven by the growing knowledge that

> lasting happiness is not to be found with anything that is

objective.

>

> This knowledge has been growing for the last few years, so the

desire

> to look within becomes greater and greater. Adi Sankara talked, in

> his four-fold qualifications, of Vairagya - dispassion. Nome has

said

> that this really grows from an understanding of the source of

> happiness.

>

> So with growing dispassion I also find growing desire for

liberation,

> and feel the need to make this the focus of my days. What else is

> there to do?

>

> Not two,

> Richard

>

>

 

 

dear richard, you are liberated already -

what you seek is what you have always been.

watch everthing as it unfolds, dispassionately

and benevolently, and enjoy every breath, my

friend. arunachala is where you abide in your

heart.

 

in love,

yosy

 

 

 

> , Harsha <harsha@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Richard,

> >

> > Thank you for sharing. Your dedication to the path of liberation

is

> > admirable. Sri Ramana used to say that our body has come into

being

> for

> > the purpose of having certain experiences. Our freedom lies in

the

> > awareness which is untouched by what we do or not do.

> >

> > The sahaj path is the natural path. To be at ease with ourself in

> > awareness is the way. That way is found in all places and times

and

> all

> > paths. It is the Great Way.

> >

> > Much love to you and your family Richard.

> > Harsha

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Richard,

 

Very glad to know that your are moving to Thiruvannamalai. It is great decision by you to be close with the Ashram and settle there for the rest of your life.

 

I am 40 now and live in Singapore but was born and brought up in Chennai, India. To be frank though a devotee of Ramana who visits the ashram every two months, i am not sure if i can take a decision like yours but now a days i have been always thinking about it.

 

Pray Ramana for a fantastic and meaningful life ahead for you in Thiruvannamalai. Very eager to meet you at Ashram some day.

 

With love Sriram

 

Richard Clarke <richard Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 8:35:12 PM Thinking about Tiruvannamalai, Arunachala and Ramanasramam

 

Dear Group,With the recent passing of my wife's mother, who had lived with us for the last year and a half, we think by the end of the yearwe will rid ourselves of most of our life's accumulation ofpossessions and move to Tiruvannamalai, wanting to be close toArunachala and Ramanasramam.I realized recently that we really desire to enter the Vanaprasthastage of life. For Americans, to leave all the material comforts andto life a more simple life where the focus is on spiritual practice,this is surely the same idea.We have to leave our children (all grown now) and grandchildren. Evenharder, we will leave the frequent contact and teaching of Nome.Our hope is that the years we have spent 'at his feet' have given uswhat we need to keep intensifying our practice. We also have CDrecordings of about four years of satsangs. In these the teaching isalways deep and timeless. Presently we listen to these

daily. We willsurely do the same in India.To start with we will try to find a place to rent near Ramanasramam.While we have been thinking of this for several years, now it becomesthe plan we act to fulfill. We both feel some nervousness about themove -- it is a great change in life, very different than the liveswe have led. Do we really have the intense desire for liberation tomake this the focus of each day? We feel 'in the hands of Ramana' andthis eases the concern, but still it is there.I just wanted to share with you. Perhaps I will write more about thisas we prepare. Perhaps we can meet in Tiruvannamalai someday!Not two,Richard

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Dear Richard,

 

yes, indeed. It certainly will turn out.

I hope all goes well and it will become an inspiriring time in Tiru

for you and your wife and a deepening in sadhana.

 

I am moving as well - but only into another town. I have bought a

flat in the same house, where my Mom lives - so I will be able to

care for her as is needed. She is now 80 and has strong asthma and

osteoporosis.

Such a move is an aweful lot of work, even if it is in the same

country. So how must much more for you.

 

I have found " Arunachala " in form of a Benedictine monastery on the

hill, which is near to my new home. When I am sitting on the table

in the kitchen I see it in the distance on the hill. This is amazing.

I plan to join this monastery as an Oblate (lay associate) this

summer - if all goes well. Here it is always the Christian-Ramana-

conection - and as I want to deepen more in sadhana it also takes on

the Christian form.

 

I will be interested to hear from you how all goes. Please continue

sharing.

 

This response was meant as an off-list reply to you personally, but

then it did not work and returned. Then I thought: " What does it

matter if it goes here officially. " A more personal sharing may

also be nice at times over a large list.

 

God bless

Gabriele

 

 

 

, " Richard Clarke "

<richard wrote:

>

> Dear Gabriele,

>

> Thank you for the caution. Certainly this is something that we

have

> thought about. We will see what the reality is like. There are

other

> westerners who live there, and have lived there for many years,

like

> David Godwin. So it is possible. As to how these bodies react, we

> will see.

>

> Not two,

> Richard

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gabriele,

 

Thank you for your good wishes.

 

I also appreciate the move that you are making. WE really spent the

last almost 10 years taking care of my wife's elderly and failing

parents, first at a nearby location, then at our home.

 

And it is wonderful that you have found a place of spiritual peace

near your new home. This will support you with your mother, and help

to deepen your practice. And the Christian " Thy will be done ... " is

a great call to surrender. This surrender and inquiry go hand in hand.

 

We will keep in contact. You are welcome to do so directly. And doing

so through this forum is just fine. What need is there for 'privacy?'

 

Not two,

Richard

 

, " Gabriele Ebert " <g.ebert

wrote:

>

> Dear Richard,

>

> yes, indeed. It certainly will turn out.

> I hope all goes well and it will become an inspiriring time in Tiru

> for you and your wife and a deepening in sadhana.

>

> I am moving as well - but only into another town. I have bought a

> flat in the same house, where my Mom lives - so I will be able to

> care for her as is needed. She is now 80 and has strong asthma and

> osteoporosis.

> Such a move is an aweful lot of work, even if it is in the same

> country. So how must much more for you.

>

> I have found " Arunachala " in form of a Benedictine monastery on the

> hill, which is near to my new home. When I am sitting on the table

> in the kitchen I see it in the distance on the hill. This is

amazing.

> I plan to join this monastery as an Oblate (lay associate) this

> summer - if all goes well. Here it is always the Christian-Ramana-

> conection - and as I want to deepen more in sadhana it also takes

on

> the Christian form.

>

> I will be interested to hear from you how all goes. Please continue

> sharing.

>

> This response was meant as an off-list reply to you personally, but

> then it did not work and returned. Then I thought: " What does it

> matter if it goes here officially. " A more personal sharing may

> also be nice at times over a large list.

>

> God bless

> Gabriele

>

>

>

> , " Richard Clarke "

> <richard@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gabriele,

> >

> > Thank you for the caution. Certainly this is something that we

> have

> > thought about. We will see what the reality is like. There are

> other

> > westerners who live there, and have lived there for many years,

> like

> > David Godwin. So it is possible. As to how these bodies react, we

> > will see.

> >

> > Not two,

> > Richard

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaskar Gabriele, I was wondering if you could please explain what this means..."Here it is always the Christian-Ramana- conection - and as I want to deepen more in sadhana it also takes on the Christian form" I don't quite get it. Does OUR Bhagavan need a connection with religion of any kind? Sri Bhagavan is the Religion. Sri Bhagavan is the FORM. Who Am I is the Sadhana. Deepening Sadhana is Surrender. So..... Ever Truly In Sri Bhagavan, Prashanth Gabriele Ebert <g.ebert wrote: Dear Richard,yes, indeed. It certainly will turn out.I hope all goes well and it will become an inspiriring time in Tiru for you and your wife and a deepening in sadhana.I am moving as well - but only into another town. I have bought a flat in the same house, where my Mom lives - so I will be able to care for her as is needed. She is now 80 and has strong asthma and osteoporosis.Such a move is an aweful lot of work, even if it is in the same country. So how must much more for you. I have found "Arunachala" in form of a Benedictine monastery on the hill, which is near to my new home. When I am sitting on the table in the kitchen I see it in the distance on the hill. This is amazing.I plan to join this monastery as an Oblate (lay

associate) this summer - if all goes well. Here it is always the Christian-Ramana- conection - and as I want to deepen more in sadhana it also takes on the Christian form. I will be interested to hear from you how all goes. Please continue sharing.This response was meant as an off-list reply to you personally, but then it did not work and returned. Then I thought: "What does it matter if it goes here officially." A more personal sharing may also be nice at times over a large list.God blessGabriele , "Richard Clarke" <richard wrote:>> Dear Gabriele,> > Thank you for the caution. Certainly this is something that we have > thought about. We will see what the reality is like. There are other > westerners who live there, and have lived there for

many years, like > David Godwin. So it is possible. As to how these bodies react, we > will see. > > Not two,> Richard>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sriram,

 

I hope to meet you in Tiru as well.

 

I am at a different phase in life than you, my householder days are

over, children grown, parents passed away, etc. My sense of

detachment to 'everyday life' is increasing as I really see that it

brings no lasting happiness.

 

The interest you have now will grow through the rest of the life of

your body. Perhaps someday you too will make this kind of choice.

 

Not two,

richard

 

, sriram kannan

<kannansriram wrote:

>

> Dear Richard,

>

> Very glad to know that your are moving to Thiruvannamalai. It is

great decision by you to be close with the Ashram and settle there

for the rest of your life.

>

> I am 40 now and live in Singapore but was born and brought up in

Chennai, India. To be frank though a devotee of Ramana who visits the

ashram every two months, i am not sure if i can take a decision like

yours but now a days i have been always thinking about it.

>

> Pray Ramana for a fantastic and meaningful life ahead for you in

Thiruvannamalai. Very eager to meet you at Ashram some day.

>

> With love

>

> Sriram

>

>

>

>

> Richard Clarke <richard

>

> Sunday, March 25, 2007 8:35:12 PM

> Thinking about

Tiruvannamalai, Arunachala and Ramanasramam

>

> Dear Group,

>

> With the recent passing of my wife's mother, who had lived with us

> for the last year and a half, we think by the end of the year

> we will rid ourselves of most of our life's accumulation of

> possessions and move to Tiruvannamalai, wanting to be close to

> Arunachala and Ramanasramam.

>

> I realized recently that we really desire to enter the Vanaprastha

> stage of life. For Americans, to leave all the material comforts and

> to life a more simple life where the focus is on spiritual practice,

> this is surely the same idea.

>

> We have to leave our children (all grown now) and grandchildren.

Even

> harder, we will leave the frequent contact and teaching of Nome.

>

> Our hope is that the years we have spent 'at his feet' have given us

> what we need to keep intensifying our practice. We also have CD

> recordings of about four years of satsangs. In these the teaching is

> always deep and timeless. Presently we listen to these daily. We

will

> surely do the same in India.

>

> To start with we will try to find a place to rent near Ramanasramam.

>

> While we have been thinking of this for several years, now it

becomes

> the plan we act to fulfill. We both feel some nervousness about the

> move -- it is a great change in life, very different than the lives

> we have led. Do we really have the intense desire for liberation to

> make this the focus of each day? We feel 'in the hands of Ramana'

and

> this eases the concern, but still it is there.

>

> I just wanted to share with you. Perhaps I will write more about

this

> as we prepare. Perhaps we can meet in Tiruvannamalai someday!

>

> Not two,

> Richard

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Richard,

 

From observing and reflecting on your comments and messages over the years, on this and other Ramana lists, I have much respect for your dedication to the Path of Sri Ramana. I wish you all the very best in this next stage of your journey and hope you will stay in touch.

 

with best wishes,

 

Peter

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter,

 

Thank you for your encouraging words.

 

Not two,

Richard

 

, " Peter " <not_2 wrote:

>

> Dear Richard,

>

> From observing and reflecting on your comments and messages over

the years,

> on this and other Ramana lists, I have much respect for your

dedication to

> the Path of Sri Ramana. I wish you all the very best in this next

stage of

> your journey and hope you will stay in touch.

>

> with best wishes,

>

> Peter

>

[Guest guest]

Vanakkam Richard, Sandhosham! Anbudansriram kannan <kannansriram wrote: Dear Richard, Very glad to know that your are moving to Thiruvannamalai. It is great decision by you to be close with the Ashram and settle there for the rest of your life. I am 40 now and live in

Singapore but was born and brought up in Chennai, India. To be frank though a devotee of Ramana who visits the ashram every two months, i am not sure if i can take a decision like yours but now a days i have been always thinking about it. Pray Ramana for a fantastic and meaningful life ahead for you in Thiruvannamalai. Very eager to meet you at Ashram some day. With love Sriram Richard Clarke <richard (AT) infinitepie (DOT) net> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 8:35:12 PM[ -

Ramana Guru] Thinking about Tiruvannamalai, Arunachala and Ramanasramam Dear Group,With the recent passing of my wife's mother, who had lived with us for the last year and a half, we think by the end of the yearwe will rid ourselves of most of our life's accumulation ofpossessions and move to Tiruvannamalai, wanting to be close toArunachala and Ramanasramam.I realized recently that we really desire to enter the Vanaprasthastage of life. For Americans, to leave all the material comforts andto life a more simple life where the focus is on spiritual practice,this is surely the same idea.We have to leave our children (all grown now) and grandchildren. Evenharder, we will leave the frequent contact and teaching of Nome.Our hope is that the years we have spent 'at his feet' have given uswhat we need to keep intensifying our practice. We also have CDrecordings of about four

years of satsangs. In these the teaching isalways deep and timeless. Presently we listen to these daily. We willsurely do the same in India.To start with we will try to find a place to rent near Ramanasramam.While we have been thinking of this for several years, now it becomesthe plan we act to fulfill. We both feel some nervousness about themove -- it is a great change in life, very different than the liveswe have led. Do we really have the intense desire for liberation tomake this the focus of each day? We feel 'in the hands of Ramana' andthis eases the concern, but still it is there.I just wanted to share with you. Perhaps I will write more about thisas we prepare. Perhaps we can meet in Tiruvannamalai someday!Not two,Richard It's here! Your new message!Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. PEACE through SURRENDER ...

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Dear Mango Tree,

 

Vanakkam!

 

Each time when I ready your screen name, I think of Mango Tree Cave.

 

I wonder if we can have a mango tree? Do the monkeys leave any for

the humans?

 

Perhaps we will have a chance to meet. I woul like that.

 

Not two,

Richard

 

, mango tree <oldmangotree

wrote:

>

> Vanakkam Richard,

>

> Sandhosham!

>

> Anbudan

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Vanakkam Prashanth, one need not cut open the bark of a living tree to see if the sap is running.... AnbudanPrashanth Visweswaran <prashvis wrote: Namaskar Gabriele, I was wondering if you could please explain what this means..."Here it is always the Christian-Ramana- conection - and as I want to deepen more in sadhana it also takes on the Christian form" I don't quite get it. Does OUR Bhagavan need a connection with religion of any kind? Sri Bhagavan is the Religion. Sri Bhagavan is the FORM. Who Am I is the Sadhana. Deepening Sadhana is Surrender. So..... Ever Truly In Sri Bhagavan, Prashanth Gabriele Ebert <g.ebert (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote: Dear Richard,yes, indeed. It certainly will turn out.I hope all goes well and it will become an inspiriring time in Tiru for you and your wife and a deepening in sadhana.I am moving as well - but only into another town. I have bought a flat in the same house, where my Mom lives - so I will be able to care for her as is needed. She is now 80 and has strong asthma and

osteoporosis.Such a move is an aweful lot of work, even if it is in the same country. So how must much more for you. I have found "Arunachala" in form of a Benedictine monastery on the hill, which is near to my new home. When I am sitting on the table in the kitchen I see it in the distance on the hill. This is amazing.I plan to join this monastery as an Oblate (lay associate) this summer - if all goes well. Here it is always the Christian-Ramana- conection - and as I want to deepen more in sadhana it also takes on the Christian form. I will be interested to hear from you how all goes. Please continue sharing.This response was meant as an off-list reply to you personally, but then it did not work and returned. Then I thought: "What does it matter if it goes here officially." A more personal sharing may also be nice at times over a large list.God blessGabriele , "Richard Clarke" <richard wrote:>> Dear Gabriele,> > Thank you for the caution. Certainly this is something that we have > thought about. We will see what the reality is like. There are other > westerners who live there, and have lived there for many years, like > David Godwin. So it is possible. As to how these bodies react, we > will see. > > Not two,> Richard> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debatein the Answers Food Drink Q & A. PEACE through SURRENDER ...

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Dear Prashanth,

 

I shall try to explain, though this is perhaps not understandable if

you don't come from a Christian context. Christianity always meant

lots to me in a very positive sense and here I have my very roots.

This never ceased, thought being attracted by Sri Bhagavan as well.

The Christianity as I understand it is a vivid connection with

Christ and his teaching - as Ramana devotees are connected with

Ramana and his teaching. It is not just to belong to a religion.

This would miss the point. Christianity has much to offer - very

much indeed, and why should this be neglected when one has this

access and always had as in my case? It would be rather silly

indeed

Ways are different, thanks God!! But one has to be serious in one's

striving.

 

yours in Sri Ramana

Gabriele

 

 

 

, Prashanth Visweswaran

<prashvis wrote:

>

> Namaskar Gabriele,

>

> I was wondering if you could please explain what this

means... " Here it is always the Christian-Ramana- conection - and as

I want to deepen more in sadhana it also takes on

> the Christian form "

>

> I don't quite get it. Does OUR Bhagavan need a connection with

religion of any kind? Sri Bhagavan is the Religion. Sri

Bhagavan is the FORM. Who Am I is the Sadhana. Deepening Sadhana is

Surrender. So.....

>

> Ever Truly In Sri Bhagavan,

> Prashanth

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Dear Prashant,

 

I think Gabriel has a very important point about Bhagavan Sri Ramana,

that he has never insisted upon any one to change their faith or even

dilute it. On the contrary like all great Masters like Sri

Ramakrishna he has always let each one strengthen his or her faith

without compromise. Besides I was wondering about the emphasis " OUR "

Sri Ramana. How can we bind the the unbound and universal. What I

find touching is Sri Ramana's deep and abiding concern for the

welfare of his western followers who he felt were far from their

lands and cultural moorings and earnest in their quest for truth. He

was to each one in their own answer to their quest, the Christain

Ramana, the Muslim Ramana, and every suffix or prefix that can be

given to him. As I have in my limited reading of his talks seen that

he gave fresh meanings to some of the most profound lines in the

Bible and would quote them often. Does Bhagavan need a

connection....No because he is all the connections; the embodiment of

the line from the Gita.... " Yo yo yam yam tanum bhaktah

shradhhayarchitu michchati, tasya tasyachalam shradhham, tameva

vidhadhamyaham " .. " Whatever form a devotee wishes to worship with

faith, concerning that alone I make his faith unflinching " . With such

a catholic outlook how do we judge the ways his grace might take. My

apologies if I am sounding a bit didactic...it is an occupational

hazard I have been trying to rid myself of.

 

Much love to you and Gabriel,

 

Srinivas

 

 

, " Gabriele Ebert " <g.ebert

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashanth,

>

> I shall try to explain, though this is perhaps not understandable

if

> you don't come from a Christian context. Christianity always meant

> lots to me in a very positive sense and here I have my very roots.

> This never ceased, thought being attracted by Sri Bhagavan as well.

> The Christianity as I understand it is a vivid connection with

> Christ and his teaching - as Ramana devotees are connected with

> Ramana and his teaching. It is not just to belong to a religion.

> This would miss the point. Christianity has much to offer - very

> much indeed, and why should this be neglected when one has this

> access and always had as in my case? It would be rather silly

> indeed

> Ways are different, thanks God!! But one has to be serious in one's

> striving.

>

> yours in Sri Ramana

> Gabriele

>

>

>

> , Prashanth Visweswaran

> <prashvis@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaskar Gabriele,

> >

> > I was wondering if you could please explain what this

> means... " Here it is always the Christian-Ramana- conection - and as

> I want to deepen more in sadhana it also takes on

> > the Christian form "

> >

> > I don't quite get it. Does OUR Bhagavan need a connection with

> religion of any kind? Sri Bhagavan is the Religion. Sri

> Bhagavan is the FORM. Who Am I is the Sadhana. Deepening Sadhana is

> Surrender. So.....

> >

> > Ever Truly In Sri Bhagavan,

> > Prashanth

>

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Namaskar Srinivas, Gabriel, Thanks very much for your kind explanations. I guess, the way Sri Jesus Christ lived as a saint is a message for all of us about living in the truth. In Sri Bhagavan, Prashanth"A. Srinivas Rao" <profsrinivasrao wrote: Dear Prashant,I think Gabriel has a very important point about Bhagavan Sri Ramana, that he has never insisted upon any one to change their faith or even dilute it. On the

contrary like all great Masters like Sri Ramakrishna he has always let each one strengthen his or her faith without compromise. Besides I was wondering about the emphasis "OUR" Sri Ramana. How can we bind the the unbound and universal. What I find touching is Sri Ramana's deep and abiding concern for the welfare of his western followers who he felt were far from their lands and cultural moorings and earnest in their quest for truth. He was to each one in their own answer to their quest, the Christain Ramana, the Muslim Ramana, and every suffix or prefix that can be given to him. As I have in my limited reading of his talks seen that he gave fresh meanings to some of the most profound lines in the Bible and would quote them often. Does Bhagavan need a connection....No because he is all the connections; the embodiment of the line from the Gita...." Yo yo yam yam tanum bhaktah shradhhayarchitu michchati, tasya

tasyachalam shradhham, tameva vidhadhamyaham".."Whatever form a devotee wishes to worship with faith, concerning that alone I make his faith unflinching". With such a catholic outlook how do we judge the ways his grace might take. My apologies if I am sounding a bit didactic...it is an occupational hazard I have been trying to rid myself of.Much love to you and Gabriel,Srinivas , "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert wrote:>> Dear Prashanth,> > I shall try to explain, though this is perhaps not understandable if > you don't come from a Christian context. Christianity always meant > lots to me in a very positive sense and here I have my very roots. > This never ceased, thought being attracted by Sri Bhagavan as well. > The Christianity as I understand it

is a vivid connection with > Christ and his teaching - as Ramana devotees are connected with > Ramana and his teaching. It is not just to belong to a religion. > This would miss the point. Christianity has much to offer - very > much indeed, and why should this be neglected when one has this > access and always had as in my case? It would be rather silly > indeed > Ways are different, thanks God!! But one has to be serious in one's > striving.> > yours in Sri Ramana> Gabriele > > > > , Prashanth Visweswaran > <prashvis@> wrote:> >> > Namaskar Gabriele,> > > > I was wondering if you could please explain what this > means..."Here it is always the Christian-Ramana- conection - and as > I want to deepen

more in sadhana it also takes on > > the Christian form"> > > > I don't quite get it. Does OUR Bhagavan need a connection with > religion of any kind? Sri Bhagavan is the Religion. Sri > Bhagavan is the FORM. Who Am I is the Sadhana. Deepening Sadhana is > Surrender. So.....> > > > Ever Truly In Sri Bhagavan,> > Prashanth>

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Dear Gabrielle,

Please take my mail in the right sense.

 

I too didn't get what you meant by the

Christian-Ramana connection.

In fact the teachings of Ramana Maharshi are directly

from the Upanishads, Gita, Brahma Sutra, etc., which

try to describe That which is beyond description.

Upanishads discuss 4 states of existence viz, Waking,

Dreaming, Deep Sleep & Turiya. Turiya is what we are

all striving for.

 

On the other hand, Christianity and most other

religions talk only of the waking state.

Even the Visishta Advaita, Dvaita, Sankhya,etc

philosophies of Hinduism use only the waking state in

their explanations.

Clearly, these philosophies have various shortcomings.

 

Sorry if I have spoken something wrong.

 

Om Tat Sat

 

 

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Dear Rajesh Kumar,

 

the " Christian-Ramana connection " seemed to have created some

confusion

 

Yes, there is not much pondering about the other states in

Christianity, thats true. In so far as sadhana only can be

done in the waking state this also may not be so important for

the practice itself. Whatever you practice - self-enquiry and/or

bhakti or another sadhana, you only can do it in the waking state

as it is the " I " doing. But I find it helpful what Bhagavan explains

about the other states to understand the " I " in the right light.

It gives a good background.

 

Bhagavan's experience was first of all own experience. Remember

he did not yet know the scriptures at that time. Secondly he came

to know the Hindu scriptures and found his experience there

explained.

I wonder what would have happened if he would have come accross the

Buddhist or Christian scriptures instead Would he have found the

same? Just a playful question ...

 

love to all

Gabriele

 

 

 

 

 

 

, A T Rajesh Kumar

<gabbardaaku wrote:

>

> Dear Gabrielle,

> Please take my mail in the right sense.

>

> I too didn't get what you meant by the

> Christian-Ramana connection.

> In fact the teachings of Ramana Maharshi are directly

> from the Upanishads, Gita, Brahma Sutra, etc., which

> try to describe That which is beyond description.

> Upanishads discuss 4 states of existence viz, Waking,

> Dreaming, Deep Sleep & Turiya. Turiya is what we are

> all striving for.

>

> On the other hand, Christianity and most other

> religions talk only of the waking state.

> Even the Visishta Advaita, Dvaita, Sankhya,etc

> philosophies of Hinduism use only the waking state in

> their explanations.

> Clearly, these philosophies have various shortcomings.

>

> Sorry if I have spoken something wrong.

>

> Om Tat Sat

>

>

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Gabriele -

 

Picking up on just one aspect

of your thread...

 

I am confident that Ramana

would have found his awakening

exquisitely explained in Christian

and in Buddhist scripture as well,

had he come upon either of these

first.

 

When the language of the heart

is unveiled by " The Lord of

The Heart " all authentic scripture

is seen and comprehended in light

of this " language " and understood

as consistently pointing to the

capacity for awakening, how it

occurs, and its resultant bliss

(fullness of joy) poetically

referenced countless times.

 

Jeff

 

, " Gabriele Ebert " <g.ebert

wrote:

>

> Dear Rajesh Kumar,

>

> the " Christian-Ramana connection " seemed to have created some

> confusion

>

> Yes, there is not much pondering about the other states in

> Christianity, thats true. In so far as sadhana only can be

> done in the waking state this also may not be so important for

> the practice itself. Whatever you practice - self-enquiry and/or

> bhakti or another sadhana, you only can do it in the waking state

> as it is the " I " doing. But I find it helpful what Bhagavan explains

> about the other states to understand the " I " in the right light.

> It gives a good background.

>

> Bhagavan's experience was first of all own experience. Remember

> he did not yet know the scriptures at that time. Secondly he came

> to know the Hindu scriptures and found his experience there

> explained.

> I wonder what would have happened if he would have come accross the

> Buddhist or Christian scriptures instead Would he have found the

> same? Just a playful question ...

>

> love to all

> Gabriele

, A T Rajesh Kumar

> <gabbardaaku@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gabrielle,

> > Please take my mail in the right sense.

> >

> > I too didn't get what you meant by the

> > Christian-Ramana connection.

> > In fact the teachings of Ramana Maharshi are directly

> > from the Upanishads, Gita, Brahma Sutra, etc., which

> > try to describe That which is beyond description.

> > Upanishads discuss 4 states of existence viz, Waking,

> > Dreaming, Deep Sleep & Turiya. Turiya is what we are

> > all striving for.

> >

> > On the other hand, Christianity and most other

> > religions talk only of the waking state.

> > Even the Visishta Advaita, Dvaita, Sankhya,etc

> > philosophies of Hinduism use only the waking state in

> > their explanations.

> > Clearly, these philosophies have various shortcomings.

> >

> > Sorry if I have spoken something wrong.

> >

> > Om Tat Sat

> >

> >

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