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friends, today is " yom hashoa " , " the holocaust day " ,

devoted to the memory of the systematic murder of

six million human beings, men, women and children,

whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnic

group of humans called " jews " . this was done on a

purely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age,

sex, or religious, political and national affinity.

 

it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageous

enough to face the true facts of this particular genocide

(without forgetting all other genocides, like the one

going on right now in darfur), should see the film " schindler's

list " , which presents the historical facts in a most reliable

and accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch,

but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of.

 

this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of the

state of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle east

conflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too,

some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. .

 

respectfully

yosy

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i dont know how this message relates to ramana?

vijay

 

On Behalf Of yosyxSunday, April 15, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: holocaust day and "schindler's list"

 

friends, today is "yom hashoa", "the holocaust day",devoted to the memory of the systematic murder ofsix million human beings, men, women and children,whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnicgroup of humans called "jews". this was done on apurely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age,sex, or religious, political and national affinity.it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageousenough to face the true facts of this particular genocide(without forgetting all other genocides, like the onegoing on right now in darfur), should see the film "schindler'slist", which presents the historical facts in a most reliableand accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch,but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of.this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of thestate of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle eastconflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too,some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. . respectfullyyosy

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, " yosyx " <yosyflug wrote:

>

> friends, today is " yom hashoa " , " the holocaust day " ,

> devoted to the memory of the systematic murder of

> six million human beings, men, women and children,

> whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnic

> group of humans called " jews " . this was done on a

> purely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age,

> sex, or religious, political and national affinity.

>

> it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageous

> enough to face the true facts of this particular genocide

> (without forgetting all other genocides, like the one

> going on right now in darfur), should see the film " schindler's

> list " , which presents the historical facts in a most reliable

> and accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch,

> but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of.

>

> this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of the

> state of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle east

> conflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too,

> some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. .

>

> respectfully

> yosy

>

 

Dearest Yosy,

 

I have so much to say I can hardly start. I saw the movie opening

day. The theater was filled. It is indeed a moving experience that

will never be forgotten.

 

But the cry " NEVER AGAIN " has been indeed, forgotten. Six million.

What was the body count in Bosnia? Rowanda? What is the body count

in Darfur?

 

Kashmir might be the next one. (One I am finding out through my

poets for human right group.) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-

srv/world/kashmir/front.html

 

We must all work for peace by being the skillful means to do what

we must. We each decide what that is.

 

I also work in my city's Middle East Peace Forum. One of the inherent

problems is that both the pro-Palestinians and the pro-Israelis keep

remembering. It is indeed difficult to remove oneself as an

individual and as a nation from that cycle. And it must be done in

order to create peace in the present.

 

Remembering that one never forgets, and then moving past that into

reconcilliation.

 

With respect and metta,

Anna

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, " anabebe57 " <kailashana

wrote:

>

> , " yosyx " <yosyflug@> wrote:

> >

> > friends, today is " yom hashoa " , " the holocaust day " ,

> > devoted to the memory of the systematic murder of

> > six million human beings, men, women and children,

> > whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnic

> > group of humans called " jews " . this was done on a

> > purely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age,

> > sex, or religious, political and national affinity.

> >

> > it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageous

> > enough to face the true facts of this particular genocide

> > (without forgetting all other genocides, like the one

> > going on right now in darfur), should see the film " schindler's

> > list " , which presents the historical facts in a most reliable

> > and accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch,

> > but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of.

> >

> > this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of the

> > state of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle east

> > conflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too,

> > some of israel's mistrust of any international

guarantees. .

> >

> > respectfully

> > yosy

> >

>

> Dearest Yosy,

>

> I have so much to say I can hardly start. I saw the movie opening

> day. The theater was filled. It is indeed a moving experience

that

> will never be forgotten.

>

> But the cry " NEVER AGAIN " has been indeed, forgotten. Six

million.

> What was the body count in Bosnia? Rowanda? What is the body

count

> in Darfur?

>

> Kashmir might be the next one. (One I am finding out through my

> poets for human right group.) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-

> srv/world/kashmir/front.html

>

> We must all work for peace by being the skillful means to do what

> we must. We each decide what that is.

>

> I also work in my city's Middle East Peace Forum. One of the

inherent

> problems is that both the pro-Palestinians and the pro-Israelis

keep

> remembering. It is indeed difficult to remove oneself as an

> individual and as a nation from that cycle. And it must be done in

> order to create peace in the present.

>

> Remembering that one never forgets, and then moving past that into

> reconcilliation.

>

> With respect and metta,

> Anna

>

 

 

:) remember the sixties slogan " suppose they

declared a war - and then nobody came " ?

 

there is only one nation - the nation of humanity.

there is only one language - the language of the heart.

there is only one religion - the religion of love.

there is only one teacher – life itself.

and god/truth/love is one without a second - timeless

and omnipresent.

 

thank you, embodiments of divine love

 

_()_

yosy

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, " yosyx " <yosyflug wrote:

>

> , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> wrote:

> >

> > , " yosyx " <yosyflug@> wrote:

> > >

> > > friends, today is " yom hashoa " , " the holocaust day " ,

> > > devoted to the memory of the systematic murder of

> > > six million human beings, men, women and children,

> > > whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnic

> > > group of humans called " jews " . this was done on a

> > > purely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age,

> > > sex, or religious, political and national affinity.

> > >

> > > it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageous

> > > enough to face the true facts of this particular genocide

> > > (without forgetting all other genocides, like the one

> > > going on right now in darfur), should see the film " schindler's

> > > list " , which presents the historical facts in a most reliable

> > > and accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch,

> > > but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of.

> > >

> > > this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of the

> > > state of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle east

> > > conflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too,

> > > some of israel's mistrust of any international

> guarantees. .

> > >

> > > respectfully

> > > yosy

> > >

> >

> > Dearest Yosy,

> >

> > I have so much to say I can hardly start. I saw the movie opening

> > day. The theater was filled. It is indeed a moving experience

> that

> > will never be forgotten.

> >

> > But the cry " NEVER AGAIN " has been indeed, forgotten. Six

> million.

> > What was the body count in Bosnia? Rowanda? What is the body

> count

> > in Darfur?

> >

> > Kashmir might be the next one. (One I am finding out through my

> > poets for human right group.) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-

> > srv/world/kashmir/front.html

> >

> > We must all work for peace by being the skillful means to do what

> > we must. We each decide what that is.

> >

> > I also work in my city's Middle East Peace Forum. One of the

> inherent

> > problems is that both the pro-Palestinians and the pro-Israelis

> keep

> > remembering. It is indeed difficult to remove oneself as an

> > individual and as a nation from that cycle. And it must be done

in

> > order to create peace in the present.

> >

> > Remembering that one never forgets, and then moving past that into

> > reconcilliation.

> >

> > With respect and metta,

> > Anna

> >

>

>

> :) remember the sixties slogan " suppose they

> declared a war - and then nobody came " ?

>

> there is only one nation - the nation of humanity.

> there is only one language - the language of the heart.

> there is only one religion - the religion of love.

> there is only one teacher – life itself.

> and god/truth/love is one without a second - timeless

> and omnipresent.

>

> thank you, embodiments of divine love

>

> _()_

> yosy

>

 

 

Thank you Yosy,

 

" one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all " .

 

The above is from the American pledge of allegiance. The beginning

starts with the flag. The flag, of course, symbolic of the

separation from other nations, other flags, other peoples, other

languages, other religions. And it is of no small consequence that

America still is the great 'melting pot'.

 

However, we as " Americans " , as world-citizens, have strayed far

enough away from this Pledge of Allegiance. The " God " has become a

fundamental Christian God, and the liberty and justice seems only

accessible to those with money, those who have no skin colour.

 

I have a certain faith that so many " mistakes " have been made in the

last decade that are blatant and far-reaching enough that these very

errors of judgment, having taken their toll on the human spirit, ARE

the impetus to balance the wrongs that, at times, are silent and

courageous, at times, loud and dissonant.

 

It is time.

 

Love and Peace,

Anna

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, vijaysk wrote:

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> i dont know how this message relates to ramana?

> vijay

 

 

 

 

'ramana' was/is a fully developed human being.

thus he - and anyone following his realization -

understands the relationship. it is clearly

described in the bhagawad gita.

 

ramana's timeless teachings are to be implemented

in all aspects of a moment to moment life. the

self of all is the one and only self. there is

none else.

 

 

 

 

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of yosyx

> Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:19 PM

>

> holocaust day

and " schindler's list "

>

>

>

> friends, today is " yom hashoa " , " the holocaust day " ,

> devoted to the memory of the systematic murder of

> six million human beings, men, women and children,

> whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnic

> group of humans called " jews " . this was done on a

> purely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age,

> sex, or religious, political and national affinity.

>

> it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageous

> enough to face the true facts of this particular genocide

> (without forgetting all other genocides, like the one

> going on right now in darfur), should see the film " schindler's

> list " , which presents the historical facts in a most reliable

> and accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch,

> but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of.

>

> this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of the

> state of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle east

> conflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too,

> some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. .

>

> respectfully

> yosy

>

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Dear yosy,

 

The holocaust was a truly dreadful and tragic thing to have happened. Six million deaths in such an horrific, senseless and brutally organised fashion seems unimaginable - yet it happened. "Schindler's list" is a remarkable tale of courage and suffering.

 

Perhaps we might also remember that the death toll in the USSR during the second ward world was a staggering 22 million aprox (just under half were civilian deaths).

 

For China it was around 11 million, of which just under 10 million were civilians.

 

Some historians put the figures for each of the above two countries about 4 million higher than given here.

 

I guess we need to be mindful not to put parameters around the edge of mourning, remembering, compassion and understanding. I'm not suggesting you are - I'm just wanting to express that thought.

 

best wishes,

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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friends, today is "yom hashoa", "the holocaust day",devoted to the memory of the systematic murder ofsix million human beings, men, women and children,whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnicgroup of humans called "jews". this was done on apurely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age,sex, or religious, political and national affinity.it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageousenough to face the true facts of this particular genocide(without forgetting all other genocides, like the onegoing on right now in darfur), should see the film "schindler'slist", which presents the historical facts in a most reliableand accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch,but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of.this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of thestate of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle eastconflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too,some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. . respectfullyyosy

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How doe the message relate to Ramana? Ramana's message IS the

embodiement of love and peace, selflessness with a purpose.

 

For each one of us to make that our 'own' (embodiement) and not just

parrotting words of Ramana or Nisargadatta or Jesus or any number of

beings, we must practice this 'knowing'.

 

How we practice this is what makes us unique individuals embodying

the principles of Being One.

 

At least, this is the way I see it.

 

Namaste,

Anna

 

 

 

 

 

 

, vijaysk wrote:

>

> i dont know how this message relates to ramana?

> vijay

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of yosyx

> Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:19 PM

>

> holocaust day

and " schindler's list "

>

>

>

> friends, today is " yom hashoa " , " the holocaust day " ,

> devoted to the memory of the systematic murder of

> six million human beings, men, women and children,

> whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnic

> group of humans called " jews " . this was done on a

> purely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age,

> sex, or religious, political and national affinity.

>

> it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageous

> enough to face the true facts of this particular genocide

> (without forgetting all other genocides, like the one

> going on right now in darfur), should see the film " schindler's

> list " , which presents the historical facts in a most reliable

> and accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch,

> but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of.

>

> this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of the

> state of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle east

> conflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too,

> some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. .

>

> respectfully

> yosy

>

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Vanakkam! too often the unreal appears to us in the guise of the real, and too often we lack the power to renounce even what we know to be unreal.... Anbudanvijaysk wrote: i dont know how this message relates to ramana? vijay On Behalf Of yosyxSunday, April 15, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: holocaust day and "schindler's list" friends, today is "yom hashoa", "the holocaust day",devoted to the memory of the systematic murder ofsix million human beings, men, women and children,whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnicgroup of humans called "jews". this was done on apurely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age,sex, or religious, political and national affinity.it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageousenough to face the true facts of this particular genocide(without

forgetting all other genocides, like the onegoing on right now in darfur), should see the film "schindler'slist", which presents the historical facts in a most reliableand accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch,but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of.this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of thestate of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle eastconflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too,some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. . respectfullyyosy PEACE through SURRENDER ...

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Dear All, I sent this yesterday, but for some reason its not got through. I hope its still relevant. Apologies if the other one turns up making two identical mails. Peter

 

==============

 

Dear yosy,

 

The holocaust was a truly dreadful and tragic thing to have happened. Six million deaths in such an horrific, senseless and brutally organised fashion seems unimaginable - yet it happened. "Schindler's list" is a remarkable tale of courage and suffering.

 

Perhaps we might also remember that the death toll in the USSR during the second ward world was a staggering 22 million aprox (just under half were civilian deaths).

 

For China it was around 11 million, of which just under 10 million were civilians.

 

Some historians put the figures for each of the above two countries about 4 million higher than given here.

 

I guess we need to be mindful not to put parameters around the edge of mourning, remembering, compassion and understanding. I'm not suggesting you are - I'm just wanting to express that thought.

 

best wishes,

 

Peter

 

 

 

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, " Peter " <not_2 wrote:

>

>

> Dear All, I sent this yesterday, but for some reason its not got

through.

> I hope its still relevant. Apologies if the other one turns up

making two

> identical mails. Peter

>

> ==============

>

>

> Dear yosy,

>

> The holocaust was a truly dreadful and tragic thing to have

happened. Six

> million deaths in such an horrific, senseless and brutally organised

fashion

> seems unimaginable - yet it happened. " Schindler's list " is a

remarkable

> tale of courage and suffering.

>

> Perhaps we might also remember that the death toll in the USSR

during the

> second ward world was a staggering 22 million aprox (just under half

were

> civilian deaths).

>

> For China it was around 11 million, of which just under 10 million were

> civilians.

>

> Some historians put the figures for each of the above two countries

about 4

> million higher than given here.

>

> I guess we need to be mindful not to put parameters around the edge of

> mourning, remembering, compassion and understanding. I'm not

suggesting you

> are - I'm just wanting to express that thought.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Peter

 

Namaste Peter,

 

This is all tied up with politics and money. If you google 'Zionist

collaboration with the Nazis', it may surprise you. Yes there were

many millions killed by the nazis 11 million alone in the camps. I

tend to go with a figure of 4 million Jews not 6 million, the larger

number having financial and political ramifications,-a huge number

none the less. For more in depth info I would suggest google Norman

Finkelstein.......My own grandmother's family were refugees from a

pogrom in Lithuania when it was under the Czars..........Tony.

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, " Peter " <not_2 wrote:

>

>

> Dear All, I sent this yesterday, but for some reason its not got

through.

> I hope its still relevant. Apologies if the other one turns up

making two

> identical mails. Peter

>

> ==============

>

>

> Dear yosy,

>

> The holocaust was a truly dreadful and tragic thing to have

happened. Six

> million deaths in such an horrific, senseless and brutally

organised fashion

> seems unimaginable - yet it happened. " Schindler's list " is a

remarkable

> tale of courage and suffering.

>

> Perhaps we might also remember that the death toll in the USSR

during the

> second ward world was a staggering 22 million aprox (just under

half were

> civilian deaths).

>

> For China it was around 11 million, of which just under 10 million

were

> civilians.

>

> Some historians put the figures for each of the above two countries

about 4

> million higher than given here.

>

> I guess we need to be mindful not to put parameters around the edge

of

> mourning, remembering, compassion and understanding. I'm not

suggesting you

> are - I'm just wanting to express that thought.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Peter

>

 

 

dear peter, of course, this is not a matter

of quantity. " killing of one human being is like

killing of entire humanity " (prophet muhammad sa)

 

but the holocoust in unique in the systhemtic,

methological and coldly efficient way this

inhuman crime was carried out by a whole nation

of normative, educated and progressive people.

apparently simple, ordinary members of the human

family... it is a most extreme example of the

deadly malady to which, so it seems, none are

as yet immune.

 

and oscar schindler is an example of a true, real

life advaitin. a jivanmukta. simply awake.

 

when there is lots of darkness, one candle is plenty.

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