Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 friends, today is " yom hashoa " , " the holocaust day " , devoted to the memory of the systematic murder of six million human beings, men, women and children, whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnic group of humans called " jews " . this was done on a purely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age, sex, or religious, political and national affinity. it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageous enough to face the true facts of this particular genocide (without forgetting all other genocides, like the one going on right now in darfur), should see the film " schindler's list " , which presents the historical facts in a most reliable and accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch, but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of. this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of the state of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle east conflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too, some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. . respectfully yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 i dont know how this message relates to ramana? vijay On Behalf Of yosyxSunday, April 15, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: holocaust day and "schindler's list" friends, today is "yom hashoa", "the holocaust day",devoted to the memory of the systematic murder ofsix million human beings, men, women and children,whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnicgroup of humans called "jews". this was done on apurely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age,sex, or religious, political and national affinity.it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageousenough to face the true facts of this particular genocide(without forgetting all other genocides, like the onegoing on right now in darfur), should see the film "schindler'slist", which presents the historical facts in a most reliableand accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch,but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of.this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of thestate of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle eastconflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too,some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. . respectfullyyosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 , " yosyx " <yosyflug wrote: > > friends, today is " yom hashoa " , " the holocaust day " , > devoted to the memory of the systematic murder of > six million human beings, men, women and children, > whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnic > group of humans called " jews " . this was done on a > purely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age, > sex, or religious, political and national affinity. > > it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageous > enough to face the true facts of this particular genocide > (without forgetting all other genocides, like the one > going on right now in darfur), should see the film " schindler's > list " , which presents the historical facts in a most reliable > and accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch, > but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of. > > this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of the > state of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle east > conflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too, > some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. . > > respectfully > yosy > Dearest Yosy, I have so much to say I can hardly start. I saw the movie opening day. The theater was filled. It is indeed a moving experience that will never be forgotten. But the cry " NEVER AGAIN " has been indeed, forgotten. Six million. What was the body count in Bosnia? Rowanda? What is the body count in Darfur? Kashmir might be the next one. (One I am finding out through my poets for human right group.) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- srv/world/kashmir/front.html We must all work for peace by being the skillful means to do what we must. We each decide what that is. I also work in my city's Middle East Peace Forum. One of the inherent problems is that both the pro-Palestinians and the pro-Israelis keep remembering. It is indeed difficult to remove oneself as an individual and as a nation from that cycle. And it must be done in order to create peace in the present. Remembering that one never forgets, and then moving past that into reconcilliation. With respect and metta, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > , " yosyx " <yosyflug@> wrote: > > > > friends, today is " yom hashoa " , " the holocaust day " , > > devoted to the memory of the systematic murder of > > six million human beings, men, women and children, > > whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnic > > group of humans called " jews " . this was done on a > > purely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age, > > sex, or religious, political and national affinity. > > > > it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageous > > enough to face the true facts of this particular genocide > > (without forgetting all other genocides, like the one > > going on right now in darfur), should see the film " schindler's > > list " , which presents the historical facts in a most reliable > > and accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch, > > but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of. > > > > this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of the > > state of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle east > > conflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too, > > some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. . > > > > respectfully > > yosy > > > > Dearest Yosy, > > I have so much to say I can hardly start. I saw the movie opening > day. The theater was filled. It is indeed a moving experience that > will never be forgotten. > > But the cry " NEVER AGAIN " has been indeed, forgotten. Six million. > What was the body count in Bosnia? Rowanda? What is the body count > in Darfur? > > Kashmir might be the next one. (One I am finding out through my > poets for human right group.) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- > srv/world/kashmir/front.html > > We must all work for peace by being the skillful means to do what > we must. We each decide what that is. > > I also work in my city's Middle East Peace Forum. One of the inherent > problems is that both the pro-Palestinians and the pro-Israelis keep > remembering. It is indeed difficult to remove oneself as an > individual and as a nation from that cycle. And it must be done in > order to create peace in the present. > > Remembering that one never forgets, and then moving past that into > reconcilliation. > > With respect and metta, > Anna > remember the sixties slogan " suppose they declared a war - and then nobody came " ? there is only one nation - the nation of humanity. there is only one language - the language of the heart. there is only one religion - the religion of love. there is only one teacher – life itself. and god/truth/love is one without a second - timeless and omnipresent. thank you, embodiments of divine love _()_ yosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 , " yosyx " <yosyflug wrote: > > , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > , " yosyx " <yosyflug@> wrote: > > > > > > friends, today is " yom hashoa " , " the holocaust day " , > > > devoted to the memory of the systematic murder of > > > six million human beings, men, women and children, > > > whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnic > > > group of humans called " jews " . this was done on a > > > purely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age, > > > sex, or religious, political and national affinity. > > > > > > it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageous > > > enough to face the true facts of this particular genocide > > > (without forgetting all other genocides, like the one > > > going on right now in darfur), should see the film " schindler's > > > list " , which presents the historical facts in a most reliable > > > and accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch, > > > but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of. > > > > > > this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of the > > > state of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle east > > > conflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too, > > > some of israel's mistrust of any international > guarantees. . > > > > > > respectfully > > > yosy > > > > > > > Dearest Yosy, > > > > I have so much to say I can hardly start. I saw the movie opening > > day. The theater was filled. It is indeed a moving experience > that > > will never be forgotten. > > > > But the cry " NEVER AGAIN " has been indeed, forgotten. Six > million. > > What was the body count in Bosnia? Rowanda? What is the body > count > > in Darfur? > > > > Kashmir might be the next one. (One I am finding out through my > > poets for human right group.) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- > > srv/world/kashmir/front.html > > > > We must all work for peace by being the skillful means to do what > > we must. We each decide what that is. > > > > I also work in my city's Middle East Peace Forum. One of the > inherent > > problems is that both the pro-Palestinians and the pro-Israelis > keep > > remembering. It is indeed difficult to remove oneself as an > > individual and as a nation from that cycle. And it must be done in > > order to create peace in the present. > > > > Remembering that one never forgets, and then moving past that into > > reconcilliation. > > > > With respect and metta, > > Anna > > > > > remember the sixties slogan " suppose they > declared a war - and then nobody came " ? > > there is only one nation - the nation of humanity. > there is only one language - the language of the heart. > there is only one religion - the religion of love. > there is only one teacher – life itself. > and god/truth/love is one without a second - timeless > and omnipresent. > > thank you, embodiments of divine love > > _()_ > yosy > Thank you Yosy, " one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all " . The above is from the American pledge of allegiance. The beginning starts with the flag. The flag, of course, symbolic of the separation from other nations, other flags, other peoples, other languages, other religions. And it is of no small consequence that America still is the great 'melting pot'. However, we as " Americans " , as world-citizens, have strayed far enough away from this Pledge of Allegiance. The " God " has become a fundamental Christian God, and the liberty and justice seems only accessible to those with money, those who have no skin colour. I have a certain faith that so many " mistakes " have been made in the last decade that are blatant and far-reaching enough that these very errors of judgment, having taken their toll on the human spirit, ARE the impetus to balance the wrongs that, at times, are silent and courageous, at times, loud and dissonant. It is time. Love and Peace, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 , vijaysk wrote: > > i dont know how this message relates to ramana? > vijay 'ramana' was/is a fully developed human being. thus he - and anyone following his realization - understands the relationship. it is clearly described in the bhagawad gita. ramana's timeless teachings are to be implemented in all aspects of a moment to moment life. the self of all is the one and only self. there is none else. > > > > On Behalf Of yosyx > Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:19 PM > > holocaust day and " schindler's list " > > > > friends, today is " yom hashoa " , " the holocaust day " , > devoted to the memory of the systematic murder of > six million human beings, men, women and children, > whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnic > group of humans called " jews " . this was done on a > purely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age, > sex, or religious, political and national affinity. > > it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageous > enough to face the true facts of this particular genocide > (without forgetting all other genocides, like the one > going on right now in darfur), should see the film " schindler's > list " , which presents the historical facts in a most reliable > and accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch, > but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of. > > this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of the > state of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle east > conflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too, > some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. . > > respectfully > yosy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Dear yosy, The holocaust was a truly dreadful and tragic thing to have happened. Six million deaths in such an horrific, senseless and brutally organised fashion seems unimaginable - yet it happened. "Schindler's list" is a remarkable tale of courage and suffering. Perhaps we might also remember that the death toll in the USSR during the second ward world was a staggering 22 million aprox (just under half were civilian deaths). For China it was around 11 million, of which just under 10 million were civilians. Some historians put the figures for each of the above two countries about 4 million higher than given here. I guess we need to be mindful not to put parameters around the edge of mourning, remembering, compassion and understanding. I'm not suggesting you are - I'm just wanting to express that thought. best wishes, Peter On Behalf Of yosyx16 April 2007 05:20 Subject: holocaust day and "schindler's list" friends, today is "yom hashoa", "the holocaust day",devoted to the memory of the systematic murder ofsix million human beings, men, women and children,whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnicgroup of humans called "jews". this was done on apurely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age,sex, or religious, political and national affinity.it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageousenough to face the true facts of this particular genocide(without forgetting all other genocides, like the onegoing on right now in darfur), should see the film "schindler'slist", which presents the historical facts in a most reliableand accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch,but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of.this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of thestate of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle eastconflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too,some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. . respectfullyyosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 How doe the message relate to Ramana? Ramana's message IS the embodiement of love and peace, selflessness with a purpose. For each one of us to make that our 'own' (embodiement) and not just parrotting words of Ramana or Nisargadatta or Jesus or any number of beings, we must practice this 'knowing'. How we practice this is what makes us unique individuals embodying the principles of Being One. At least, this is the way I see it. Namaste, Anna , vijaysk wrote: > > i dont know how this message relates to ramana? > vijay > > > > On Behalf Of yosyx > Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:19 PM > > holocaust day and " schindler's list " > > > > friends, today is " yom hashoa " , " the holocaust day " , > devoted to the memory of the systematic murder of > six million human beings, men, women and children, > whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnic > group of humans called " jews " . this was done on a > purely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age, > sex, or religious, political and national affinity. > > it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageous > enough to face the true facts of this particular genocide > (without forgetting all other genocides, like the one > going on right now in darfur), should see the film " schindler's > list " , which presents the historical facts in a most reliable > and accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch, > but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of. > > this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of the > state of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle east > conflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too, > some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. . > > respectfully > yosy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Vanakkam! too often the unreal appears to us in the guise of the real, and too often we lack the power to renounce even what we know to be unreal.... Anbudanvijaysk wrote: i dont know how this message relates to ramana? vijay On Behalf Of yosyxSunday, April 15, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: holocaust day and "schindler's list" friends, today is "yom hashoa", "the holocaust day",devoted to the memory of the systematic murder ofsix million human beings, men, women and children,whose only bad fortune was belonging to an ethnicgroup of humans called "jews". this was done on apurely genetic basis, regardless of appearance, age,sex, or religious, political and national affinity.it is my belief that any truth seeker, bold and courageousenough to face the true facts of this particular genocide(without forgetting all other genocides, like the onegoing on right now in darfur), should see the film "schindler'slist", which presents the historical facts in a most reliableand accurate way. it is a long film, and not easy to watch,but presents the depth of inhumanity humans are capable of.this film may also enable an insight into the paranoia of thestate of israel, and its resulting behavior in the middle eastconflict. (though it does not justify it). it may explain, too,some of israel's mistrust of any international guarantees. . respectfullyyosy PEACE through SURRENDER ... Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Dear All, I sent this yesterday, but for some reason its not got through. I hope its still relevant. Apologies if the other one turns up making two identical mails. Peter ============== Dear yosy, The holocaust was a truly dreadful and tragic thing to have happened. Six million deaths in such an horrific, senseless and brutally organised fashion seems unimaginable - yet it happened. "Schindler's list" is a remarkable tale of courage and suffering. Perhaps we might also remember that the death toll in the USSR during the second ward world was a staggering 22 million aprox (just under half were civilian deaths). For China it was around 11 million, of which just under 10 million were civilians. Some historians put the figures for each of the above two countries about 4 million higher than given here. I guess we need to be mindful not to put parameters around the edge of mourning, remembering, compassion and understanding. I'm not suggesting you are - I'm just wanting to express that thought. best wishes, Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 , " Peter " <not_2 wrote: > > > Dear All, I sent this yesterday, but for some reason its not got through. > I hope its still relevant. Apologies if the other one turns up making two > identical mails. Peter > > ============== > > > Dear yosy, > > The holocaust was a truly dreadful and tragic thing to have happened. Six > million deaths in such an horrific, senseless and brutally organised fashion > seems unimaginable - yet it happened. " Schindler's list " is a remarkable > tale of courage and suffering. > > Perhaps we might also remember that the death toll in the USSR during the > second ward world was a staggering 22 million aprox (just under half were > civilian deaths). > > For China it was around 11 million, of which just under 10 million were > civilians. > > Some historians put the figures for each of the above two countries about 4 > million higher than given here. > > I guess we need to be mindful not to put parameters around the edge of > mourning, remembering, compassion and understanding. I'm not suggesting you > are - I'm just wanting to express that thought. > > best wishes, > > Peter Namaste Peter, This is all tied up with politics and money. If you google 'Zionist collaboration with the Nazis', it may surprise you. Yes there were many millions killed by the nazis 11 million alone in the camps. I tend to go with a figure of 4 million Jews not 6 million, the larger number having financial and political ramifications,-a huge number none the less. For more in depth info I would suggest google Norman Finkelstein.......My own grandmother's family were refugees from a pogrom in Lithuania when it was under the Czars..........Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 , " Peter " <not_2 wrote: > > > Dear All, I sent this yesterday, but for some reason its not got through. > I hope its still relevant. Apologies if the other one turns up making two > identical mails. Peter > > ============== > > > Dear yosy, > > The holocaust was a truly dreadful and tragic thing to have happened. Six > million deaths in such an horrific, senseless and brutally organised fashion > seems unimaginable - yet it happened. " Schindler's list " is a remarkable > tale of courage and suffering. > > Perhaps we might also remember that the death toll in the USSR during the > second ward world was a staggering 22 million aprox (just under half were > civilian deaths). > > For China it was around 11 million, of which just under 10 million were > civilians. > > Some historians put the figures for each of the above two countries about 4 > million higher than given here. > > I guess we need to be mindful not to put parameters around the edge of > mourning, remembering, compassion and understanding. I'm not suggesting you > are - I'm just wanting to express that thought. > > best wishes, > > Peter > dear peter, of course, this is not a matter of quantity. " killing of one human being is like killing of entire humanity " (prophet muhammad sa) but the holocoust in unique in the systhemtic, methological and coldly efficient way this inhuman crime was carried out by a whole nation of normative, educated and progressive people. apparently simple, ordinary members of the human family... it is a most extreme example of the deadly malady to which, so it seems, none are as yet immune. and oscar schindler is an example of a true, real life advaitin. a jivanmukta. simply awake. when there is lots of darkness, one candle is plenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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