Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Nome From Mandala One of Self -Knowledge Know the Self as it is. The Self is not matter, thought, or entity. The Self is never modified, Has no conditions, Never becomes. Beyond matter¯no birth and no death. Beyond thought¯nonobjective and inconceivable. Beyond ego¯no individuality and no separation. Never having entered the body, The Self does not exit it. The bodiless is birthless, locationless, and deathless. It does not come, is not contained, and does not go. The Self is known by the wise to be bodiless. Never having entered the mind, The Self is not bound by it. The mind-free is unconceived and unperturbed. It does not think or cease to think. It knows no state, no mode, and no thought. The Self is known by the wise to be of no mind. Never having become individualized, The Self is innately egoless. The egoless is boundless, attributeless, illusionless. It does not become bound and does not become liberated. The Self is known by the wise to be egoless. Know the Self as it is. ----------------------- Not two, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Thanks for the postings to this group. These advaitic notions of reality, well useful on some level are also rather misleading and mess up seekers. I don't know about you but at least part of my existence includes names and forms even if illusory. Ramana Maharshi never had a specific teaching - so lets not pretend there is one... (however by example he illustrated Love). Bob , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > Nome > From Mandala One of > Self -Knowledge > > Know the Self as it is. > The Self is not matter, thought, or entity. > The Self is never modified, > Has no conditions, > Never becomes. > Beyond matter¯no birth and no death. > Beyond thought¯nonobjective and > inconceivable. > Beyond ego¯no individuality and no > separation. > Never having entered the body, > The Self does not exit it. > The bodiless is birthless, locationless, and > deathless. > It does not come, is not contained, and does > not go. > The Self is known by the wise to be bodiless. Never having entered > the mind, > The Self is not bound by it. > The mind-free is unconceived and > unperturbed. > It does not think or cease to think. > It knows no state, no mode, and no thought. > The Self is known by the wise to be of no > mind. > Never having become individualized, > The Self is innately egoless. > The egoless is boundless, attributeless, > illusionless. > It does not become bound and does not become liberated. > The Self is known by the wise to be egoless. > Know the Self as it is. > > ----------------------- > Not two, > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Bob, Here is one verse from Ramana's " 40 verses on Reality " 13. The Self, which is Knowledge, is the only Reality. Knowledge of multiplicity is false knowledge. This false knowledge, which is really ignorance, cannot exist apart from the Self, which is Knowledge-Reality. The variety of gold ornaments is unreal, since none of them can exist without the gold of which they are all made. The Advaita teachings can be hard for the mind to understand. They point to that which is the substrate in which the mind seems to exist. Here is a quote from the posting that followed your's: " The world consists of names and forms. These are naturally many, but what lies behind them is one and the same. Names and forms are not real although we think that they are. Brahman which underlies them is real, but we forget it. What wisdom lay in Sri Bhagavan's words! " There is a point to this teaching. As long as the seeker believes that his happiness lies in " the world of name and forms, " his practice will only go so deep, and eh will not find liberation. (Or so we are taught again and again by the Sages.) Not two, Richard , " stockscience " <levinson wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the postings to this group. > > These advaitic notions of reality, well useful on some level > are also rather misleading and mess up seekers. I don't know about > you but at least > part of my existence includes names and forms even if illusory. > > Ramana Maharshi never had a specific teaching - so lets not pretend > there is one... (however by example he illustrated Love). > > Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Thanks, Richard: Your response is helpful. Bob , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > Dear Bob, > > Here is one verse from Ramana's " 40 verses on Reality " > > 13. The Self, which is Knowledge, is the only Reality. Knowledge of > multiplicity is false knowledge. This false knowledge, which is > really ignorance, cannot exist apart from the Self, which is > Knowledge-Reality. The variety of gold ornaments is unreal, since > none of them can exist without the gold of which they are all made. > > The Advaita teachings can be hard for the mind to understand. They > point to that which is the substrate in which the mind seems to > exist. > > Here is a quote from the posting that followed your's: > > " The world consists of names and forms. These are naturally > many, but what lies behind them is one and the same. Names > and forms are not real although we think that they are. Brahman > which underlies them is real, but we forget it. What wisdom lay > in Sri Bhagavan's words! " > > There is a point to this teaching. As long as the seeker believes > that his happiness lies in " the world of name and forms, " his > practice will only go so deep, and eh will not find liberation. (Or > so we are taught again and again by the Sages.) > > Not two, > Richard > > , " stockscience " <levinson@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the postings to this group. > > > > These advaitic notions of reality, well useful on some level > > are also rather misleading and mess up seekers. I don't know about > > you but at least > > part of my existence includes names and forms even if illusory. > > > > Ramana Maharshi never had a specific teaching - so lets not pretend > > there is one... (however by example he illustrated Love). > > > > Bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Dear Bob, Most glad to have been any kind of help. At some level I feel like all help comes from the Self, all help for any of us is Grace. So it is good that you asked your question. Not two, Richard , " stockscience " <levinson wrote: > > Thanks, Richard: Your response is helpful. Bob > > > > , " Richard Clarke " <richard@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bob, > > > > Here is one verse from Ramana's " 40 verses on Reality " > > > > 13. The Self, which is Knowledge, is the only Reality. Knowledge of > > multiplicity is false knowledge. This false knowledge, which is > > really ignorance, cannot exist apart from the Self, which is > > Knowledge-Reality. The variety of gold ornaments is unreal, since > > none of them can exist without the gold of which they are all made. > > > > The Advaita teachings can be hard for the mind to understand. They > > point to that which is the substrate in which the mind seems to > > exist. > > > > Here is a quote from the posting that followed your's: > > > > " The world consists of names and forms. These are naturally > > many, but what lies behind them is one and the same. Names > > and forms are not real although we think that they are. Brahman > > which underlies them is real, but we forget it. What wisdom lay > > in Sri Bhagavan's words! " > > > > There is a point to this teaching. As long as the seeker believes > > that his happiness lies in " the world of name and forms, " his > > practice will only go so deep, and eh will not find liberation. (Or > > so we are taught again and again by the Sages.) > > > > Not two, > > Richard > > > > , " stockscience " <levinson@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the postings to this group. > > > > > > These advaitic notions of reality, well useful on some level > > > are also rather misleading and mess up seekers. I don't know about > > > you but at least > > > part of my existence includes names and forms even if illusory. > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi never had a specific teaching - so lets not pretend > > > there is one... (however by example he illustrated Love). > > > > > > Bob > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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