Reply to John / dragan

August 14, 2007

thank you, dragan , for your open,

direct and wise contributions. i am

reminded of something i posted here

some years ago:

jai jai ramana,

who by mere mention of his name,

conveys his grace

forming this company of friends

jai ramana,

whose mere remembrance

elicits the purest and noblest in us

paving the road

to our very own

one and only

self

which we never

left.

@}->,->'--

grateful

yosy

August 14, 2007

Hello Yosy,

Yes, this is what I am talking about. Give me Yosy, not preaching.

Give me your heart, not the facts related to teaching, which are so

well - known. If we talk about the teaching, if somebody has something

to contribute ( not just to quote all the time, something what we all

know), just go ahead. Our Richard and Harsha -man have to do some kind

of education, Richard has his Guru, and it is his natural urge to give

the glory to his teacher. I feel the same for Ramana. I want to hear

his name in the whole world. This is a natural feeling if somebody love

his Guru. Harsha-man, he does a flawless job. He is preaching (as he

should do, and he reply with heart, when he find it necessary. You a

very good person, Harsha man. Your talk how you love Ramana and you

have tears in your eyes, that is something I would listen to every day,

because I feel the same). But to have reply on my mail from something

in some strictly impersonal manner,..., I've already told too much

about it.

And to worship Ramana, that is something which should never end. I

have a confession to make: I skipped doing vichara a couple of days.

When I did it today, I realized that I wasn't at home two days (vichara

is being at home). Although I was talking about Ramana (which is also

some kind of worship and spiritual growth), vichara is something as a

daily maintenance and the ladder not to the sky, but to the Heart.

Every day with vichara means to find out something new, to be calmer

and happier. Can you imagine that I thought that vichara was not

stress-relief practice? Because I didn't pay attention how vichara

cleanse every stress, every bad emotion. I thought that my stress

during vichara was because I was pushing too hard. No. Vichara just

wipe all we have inside: stress, bad emotions, some inner mess, bad

'programs' of our mind, and everything is more clear.

This is an another example how Ramana is great. Without any

practice, he was able to find one, which works! Paul Brunton reached

some kind of samadhi (I won't speculate is it sahaja or not), but to

reach any kind of samadhi, that is a great thing for every Guru. Sri

Chinmoy has thousands of disciples all over the world. But he says that

nobody is even close to any kind of samadhi. Our beloved Ramana found

the right practice. Of course, it is not his invention, but he made

that method famous. Sometimes, when somebody want to offend me, he asks

me: do I know a single man who had self-realization by following

Ramana? Yes. Paul Brunton. And many unknown people. Vichara is a real

miracle. As Ramana says, the only direct way, without any detours or

self-indulging parts.

Vichara teaches us many things. One of them is to be simple, to

make things as much simpler as possible. It takes some time until we

reach the state of real understanding, but it is worth of effort. There

is a standard routine, called 'trataka', to gaze at the flame of a

candle. Teachers says that we supposed to gaze at the flame, then to

close our eyes and see the flame in our inner screen, some kind of

vizualization. But, if you just observe the candle (the tip of the

which, or the tip of the flame), there is no need to close your eyes.

Plain and simple. What is the use of visualization? Vichara has a big

contribution to this understanding. Mind is occupied by observing the

flame (I don't talk about concentration, it is not that) and we can go

deep inside. Hmm... Almost the same method as trataka, but the first

include many unnecessary things: concentration, the power of will,

visualization, some kind of futile effort. The second method is almost

vichara. The mind is calmed by soft gazing at the candle, without any

concentration, it is like a child occupied with something which is

gleaming and we can dive in our heart, without our mind's

diversions.

Vichara helps us even to better understand vipassan. How to just

observe things, thoughts, without fighting them, without encouraging

them, also. Just to be present. My opinion is that everyone should be

skilled in that kind of approach, because it gives us the ability to

recognize some inner states in us, during vichara. We are aware, able

to see even the seed of some things. For instance, I wasn't able to see

how I radiate stress all around me (during vichara), that my system is

cleaning itself. I wasn't aware enough. Now I can observe all these

states and to ask who is in that state (if the process is not too

strong), or just to observe this and stay calm. To push when we need to

be calm, or to give up when we can continue, it is not good. It is very

easy to make a self - torture method of this divine thing: vichara. So,

learn every day through your and other people's experience, about your

nature, your heart, emotions... Improve your method, tailor it for

yourself. When I say 'learn', that means live and use. Gjana is not a

static knowledge. If it is not used in practice, we are all nothing but

some very wise books, we are not the Heart. The Heart and gjana are

dynamic. They are living things. Even the inner happiness after a good

vichara is not static: it is a nice, soft flow of calmness and bliss.

Be blessed my brothers, especially you, Harsha man, because you

opened your heart more than anyone else. And my friends, Michael Bindel

and Richard, you did the same. Open your hearts, people. Ask. Share.

Worship Ramana.

Dragan

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