Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hello everybody, You don't need me. So I'll preserve my energy and be an observer. John, you are right, when I see you, I have nothing to see. Because you are so absolute, that I can't communicate with you, as I am a fly, and you are some demigod. I should worship you, because there is nothing relative in you. Go to Ramanshram and sit in Ramana's couch. You deserve that. Because you know the ultimate truth only. I am so ignorant, because I think that if we are not in sahaja, we are in the claws of the relative world. But, it seems that you are all already in sahaja. So, people, continue your cut/paste communication, I'll observe it for some time, but when I get sick, I will get out of this group. It is the same as any other. Like reading a book. Please, don't reply to this mail. There is nothing more to say. It is not only for John, it is for you all. Forget my name. I bow to you, 1200 sages. I am a worm, you are on the absolute level. So, all glory to you, sages! Ki Jai! Go to Aruanchala and be famous. Because your are flawless. I refuse to be so wise, not in your way. It is very bad to be a parrot, because I can't see that you have produced even R of Ramana, there is no sages among you, which is very odd, because you are always at the 'absolute' level and so wise, without any words of yours, or 'yes, you are right'. Astalavista sages. Dragan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Dear Group as neither the list-owner nor anybody of you find it necessary to comment Dragans email i have to do it. Dragan: everybody needs you - even if they do not realize it. You mention some members and express your opinions - to react to that is not my work.... Of course we are in the claws of the relative world and in my opinion it would be of use for all of us if we would share the lessons/hindrances we experience with the Sangha. But as my dear wife commented: this is not the aim of this list and it is not stated in the lists statute. B u t it was done in the Sangha with Ramana. Of course nobody of us in this duality is Ramana, but nevertheless we could learn a lot for our way opening up and listening with an open heart to each of us.... You ask us to forget your name - this is saddening. I cannot and will not do it. Everybody who understands a little bit about conscious life realizes that our meeting is karmic and therefore full of meaning for each of us, even for most of us who keep silent. Dragan and All, of course if we are really wise there would be no necessity to communicate any more - "just" to be STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM So Dragan, please be calm, listen and enjoy yourself. And as each form of missionarial activity must be counterproductive preaching was not intented, just an input to others to open up. And to let you know that you are not a crumb, not unknowing, but full of understandable anger. in love michael bindel - Dragan Pavlovic Ramana Group Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:30 PM Just obsever Hello everybody, You don't need me. So I'll preserve my energy and be an observer. John, you are right, when I see you, I have nothing to see. Because you are so absolute, that I can't communicate with you, as I am a fly, and you are some demigod. I should worship you, because there is nothing relative in you. Go to Ramanshram and sit in Ramana's couch. You deserve that. Because you know the ultimate truth only. I am so ignorant, because I think that if we are not in sahaja, we are in the claws of the relative world. But, it seems that you are all already in sahaja. So, people, continue your cut/paste communication, I'll observe it for some time, but when I get sick, I will get out of this group. It is the same as any other. Like reading a book. Please, don't reply to this mail. There is nothing more to say. It is not only for John, it is for you all. Forget my name. I bow to you, 1200 sages. I am a worm, you are on the absolute level. So, all glory to you, sages! Ki Jai! Go to Aruanchala and be famous. Because your are flawless. I refuse to be so wise, not in your way. It is very bad to be a parrot, because I can't see that you have produced even R of Ramana, there is no sages among you, which is very odd, because you are always at the 'absolute' level and so wise, without any words of yours, or 'yes, you are right'. Astalavista sages.Dragan Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release 13/08/2007 10.15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 - Michael Bindel Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:38 PM Re: Just obsever Dear Group as neither the list-owner nor anybody of you find it necessary to comment Dragans email i have to do it. Dragan: everybody needs you - even if they do not realize it. You mention some members and express your opinions - to react to that is not my work.... Of course we are in the claws of the relative world and in my opinion it would be of use for all of us if we would share the lessons/hindrances we experience with the Sangha. But as my dear wife commented: this is not the aim of this list and it is not stated in the lists statute. B u t it was done in the Sangha with Ramana. Of course nobody of us in this duality is Ramana, but nevertheless we could learn a lot for our way opening up and listening with an open heart to each of us.... You ask us to forget your name - this is saddening. I cannot and will not do it. Everybody who understands a little bit about conscious life realizes that our meeting is karmic and therefore full of meaning for each of us, even for most of us who keep silent. Dragan and All, of course if we are really wise there would be no necessity to communicate any more - "just" to be STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM So Dragan, please be calm, listen and enjoy yourself. And as each form of missionarial activity must be counterproductive preaching was not intented, just an input to others to open up. And to let you know that you are not a crumb, not unknowing, but full of understandable anger. in love michael bindel - Dragan Pavlovic Ramana Group Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:30 PM Just obsever Hello everybody, You don't need me. So I'll preserve my energy and be an observer. John, you are right, when I see you, I have nothing to see. Because you are so absolute, that I can't communicate with you, as I am a fly, and you are some demigod. I should worship you, because there is nothing relative in you. Go to Ramanshram and sit in Ramana's couch. You deserve that. Because you know the ultimate truth only. I am so ignorant, because I think that if we are not in sahaja, we are in the claws of the relative world. But, it seems that you are all already in sahaja. So, people, continue your cut/paste communication, I'll observe it for some time, but when I get sick, I will get out of this group. It is the same as any other. Like reading a book. Please, don't reply to this mail. There is nothing more to say. It is not only for John, it is for you all. Forget my name. I bow to you, 1200 sages. I am a worm, you are on the absolute level. So, all glory to you, sages! Ki Jai! Go to Aruanchala and be famous. Because your are flawless. I refuse to be so wise, not in your way. It is very bad to be a parrot, because I can't see that you have produced even R of Ramana, there is no sages among you, which is very odd, because you are always at the 'absolute' level and so wise, without any words of yours, or 'yes, you are right'. Astalavista sages.Dragan Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release 13/08/2007 10.15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 Hi Dragan, My name is Soul. I want to share with you what I can see going on... take it or leave it. It seems you are reacting or upset that people speak from learned knowledge, not experience. You want them to speak from " themselves " not books and not copying what they have read. Is that right? I want to ask you to look at why you react or get upset about this. Is it possible to accept that many people are like this? This seems a block to your experience of peace, freedom, " Self " ....whatever word you like to use. Does it matter that people speak from " book knowledge " ?. They may or may not be, but it is your perception that they are, and this is what you react to. Do you have a desire to find one who is absorbed in truth every moment, and is your happiness dependent on finding such a person? Just questions intended to uncover or shed light on the vasana or habit pattern that may be blocking you. No judgment.When we can honestly look at these patterns that we unknowingly get caught in, when we know them and acknowledge them, without judgment...they pass. We can see our natural Self, which is always here, again. Blessings to you brother, Soul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 Dear Soul tku for your contribution. I am answering because the last sentende expresses what i am grateful to learn always. Because this is " my " way to proceed. in Ramana michael Just questions intended to uncover or shed light on the vasana or habit pattern that may be blocking you. No judgment.When we can honestly look at these patterns that we unknowingly get caught in, when we know them and acknowledge them, without judgment...they pass. We can see our natural Self, which is always here, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Dear Michael, You are very welcome... Welcome to your Self... Soul , " Michael Bindel " <michael.bindel wrote: > > Dear Soul > > tku for your contribution. > > I am answering because the last sentende expresses what i am grateful to > learn always. > Because this is " my " way to proceed. > > in Ramana > > > michael > > > > Just questions intended to uncover or shed light on the vasana or > habit pattern that may be blocking you. No judgment.When we can > honestly look at these patterns that we unknowingly get caught in, > when we know them and acknowledge them, without judgment...they pass. > We can see our natural Self, which is always here, again. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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