Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 "Richard Clarke" <richard wrote <snip> 17. When the true nature of the mind is watched interruptedly (without pramaad or nidra, it transpires that) there is no such thing as mind. This is the direct path for all. <snip> It should read 'watched uninterruptedly'. 'Pramadam' is a sanskrit word meaning 'Wrong Notion' or 'Mistake'. 'Nidra' is a Sanskrit word meaning 'Sleep'. With regards Venugopal Try the revolutionary next-gen Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 18. The mind is merely a bundle of thoughts, the thought of all thoughts. 'I am the body' is the foremost. Therefore, the mind is only the thought, ' i am this body'. 19. When sought for it within as to whence this " I " arises, it falls down dead. This is Self-Enquiry. 20. Where this 'I' dies there then shines forth ONE as 'I-I' by itself. It alone is the Supreme Whole (poorna). 21. As we do not cease to exist even in deep sleep where there is no I- thought, this 'I-I' is always (in all three states) the true import of the term 'I'. --------------------- Not two, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Dear Venugopal, Yes, you are correct. I did not proof read the translation that I posted. Not two, Richard -- In , Venugopal AK <akvenugopal wrote: > > " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote > <snip> > 17. When the true nature of the mind is watched interruptedly > (without pramaad or nidra, it transpires that) there is no such thing > as mind. This is the direct path for all. > <snip> > It should read 'watched uninterruptedly'. > 'Pramadam' is a sanskrit word meaning 'Wrong Notion' or 'Mistake'. > 'Nidra' is a Sanskrit word meaning 'Sleep'. > With regards > Venugopal > > > > > Try the revolutionary next-gen Mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Dear Richard, I am not more learned, but just looked in the internet for translations. Pramaad means mistake and Nidra means sleep. Does this make sense to anyone in the context of this teaching? ie: 17. When the true nature of the mind is watched interruptedly > (without pramaad or nidra, it transpires that) there is no such thing > as mind. This is the direct path for all. Peace to all, Soul , " Richard Clarke " <richard wrote: > > Dear Group, > > The retreat I attended recently had as its focus for the last two > days, " Upadesa Saram. " Each verse was read in Sanskrit, then Nome > read from his own unpublished translation, and commented carefully on > each verse. > > The last 15 verses (16 - 30) deal directly with Self-Knowledge, and > seem to me to give Ramana's teaching in a very short form. They are > very worthwhile to read, reflect and deeply meditate upon to make > them yours. > > What I post here is from > http://namastetotheone.blogspot.com/2006/04/upadesa-saram.html > > > 16.When the mind, giving up the knowledge of the external objects > through the five senses, realizes its own effulgent form, that is > true wisdom. > > 17. When the true nature of the mind is watched interruptedly > (without pramaad or nidra, it transpires that) there is no such thing > as mind. This is the direct path for all. > > 18. The mind is merely a bundle of thoughts, the thought of all > thoughts. 'I am the body' is the foremost. Therefore, the mind is > only the thought, ' i am this body'. > > (I do not know what pramaad or nidra mean. Perhaps someone more > learned can tell us this). > > -------------- > Not two, > Richard > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Depending on the context, pramaad, in Sanskrit, means offence (by a criminal) for which he deserves punishment. It is sometimes used to mean "mistake", a grave one. Suryakant - soulyoginima Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:28 AM Re: From "Upadesa Saram" Dear Richard,I am not more learned, but just looked in the internet fortranslations. Pramaad means mistake and Nidra means sleep.Does this make sense to anyone in the context of this teaching?ie:17. When the true nature of the mind is watched interruptedly > (without pramaad or nidra, it transpires that) there is no such thing > as mind. This is the direct path for all.Peace to all,Soul , "Richard Clarke" <richardwrote:>> Dear Group,> > The retreat I attended recently had as its focus for the last two > days, "Upadesa Saram." Each verse was read in Sanskrit, then Nome > read from his own unpublished translation, and commented carefully on > each verse. > > The last 15 verses (16 - 30) deal directly with Self-Knowledge, and > seem to me to give Ramana's teaching in a very short form. They are > very worthwhile to read, reflect and deeply meditate upon to make > them yours.> > What I post here is from > http://namastetotheone.blogspot.com/2006/04/upadesa-saram.html> > > 16.When the mind, giving up the knowledge of the external objects > through the five senses, realizes its own effulgent form, that is > true wisdom.> > 17. When the true nature of the mind is watched interruptedly > (without pramaad or nidra, it transpires that) there is no such thing > as mind. This is the direct path for all.> > 18. The mind is merely a bundle of thoughts, the thought of all > thoughts. 'I am the body' is the foremost. Therefore, the mind is > only the thought, ' i am this body'.> > (I do not know what pramaad or nidra mean. Perhaps someone more > learned can tell us this).> > --------------> Not two,> Richard> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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