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> So, does anyone out there know of prominent scientists who have spoken up

against animal experimentation?

 

Tony, I don't know the answer to your question but maybe one of these groups

could help you....

 

http://www.pcrm.org/ Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine

http://www.navs.org/ National Anti-Vivisection Society

http://www.aavs.org/ American Anti-Vivisection Society

 

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Hi Tony,

 

*Ammunition* for a *date*!??! Sounds like my kind of relationship! :-)

 

1. The Medical Modernization Research Committee (MMRC) does very interesting

work, surveying the references of published research studies that offer

concrete advances for human health. They tally the frequency with which

*animal studies* are referenced, and have concluded that animal studies are

cited with alarming infrequency. Moral of the story: in terms of producing

tangible benefits for human health, random surveys of published studies

indicate that animal research is *not* being extrapolated for use in

constructing therapies/cures for humans.

 

2. Americans for Medical Advancement is the group run by Dr. Ray Greek

(author of " Sacred Cows and Golden Geese: The Human Cost of Experiments on

Animals " ). Their website (http://www.curedisease.com) offers a wealth of

authoritative information on the subject.

 

3. In my mind, apart from the compelling ethical issues, the most damning

argument against animal experimentation is one referred to as " the argument

of limited resources. " I recall that AAVS (American Anti-Vivisection

Society) used to send out an article on this argument - basically the notion

that our limited resources ($$, time) would be better spent on prevention

rather than wasteful animal experimentation. The argument critiques the

spending habits/politics of drug companies. It's quite interesting.

 

Happy debating, Tony! Good luck!!

 

Best,

Alka

 

 

 

 

Tony Martin [veggiedude]

Friday, June 07, 2002 3:29 PM

 

[sFBAVeg] Animal Experimentation (I need ammo)

 

 

I went on a date with a very nice girl, but for our second date, I need some

ammo as she is all for animal experimentation. She has agreed to debate me

on the subject. She has field advantage because she is a scientist. However,

she is open minded, as she is also an ethical vegetarian and buddhist.

 

So, does anyone out there know of prominent scientists who have spoken up

against animal experimentation? I know there are a few, because I have read

about them in the past, but I did not keep a record of who they are or what

they said.

 

 

tony

 

 

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There was an article in the Washington Post recently that touched upon

this subject. There weren't any scientists quoted, but lawyers:

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60634-2002Jun4.html

 

 

 

Tony Martin wrote:

>

> I went on a date with a very nice girl, but for our second date, I need some

ammo as she is all for animal experimentation. She has agreed to debate me on

the subject. She has field advantage because she is a scientist. However, she is

open minded, as she is also an ethical vegetarian and buddhist.

>

> So, does anyone out there know of prominent scientists who have spoken up

against animal experimentation? I know there are a few, because I have read

about them in the past, but I did not keep a record of who they are or what they

said.

>

> tonyy

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The Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine addresses this

at the following link on their website:

 

http://www.pcrm.org/issues/Animal_Experimentation_Issues/animal_issues.html

 

They also have an excellent video, which has aired on For the Animals, it

was excellent. I think it is the same Henry Heimlich video listed at this

link (scroll down more than halfway):

 

http://www.pcrm.org/issues/edu_resources.html

 

She may not want to sink $ into a video at this point, but there is a

totally free reading offered at this same link (click on Research Issues

Compendium a couple of items above the video listing):

 

I wish I had a copy of pcrm's magazine with me on the bus last week; I

struck up a conversation with a research scientist, who removes eyeballs

from fish to find out about corneal structure and defects! The best I

could do, since I'm a mere research assistant in a human study (hiv), and

he had a bit of attitude, though tried to be polite, was to tell him that

there are indeed other scientists at his level of expertise, and to urge

him to check out their website. Thankfully, pcrm.org is easy to remember.

 

Good luck, Tony!

 

Janice

 

 

on 6/8/02 9:49 AM, Kim Flournoy at kim_flournoy wrote:

 

> There was an article in the Washington Post recently that touched upon

> this subject. There weren't any scientists quoted, but lawyers:

>

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60634-2002Jun4.html

>

>

>

> Tony Martin wrote:

>>

>> I went on a date with a very nice girl, but for our second date, I need some

>> ammo as she is all for animal experimentation. She has agreed to debate me on

>> the subject. She has field advantage because she is a scientist. However, she

>> is open minded, as she is also an ethical vegetarian and buddhist.

>>

>> So, does anyone out there know of prominent scientists who have spoken up

>> against animal experimentation? I know there are a few, because I have read

>> about them in the past, but I did not keep a record of who they are or what

>> they said.

>>

>> tonyy

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