Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 Many years ago I read an explanation of how the word " vegetarian " came into being. The " vege " in " vegetarian " doesn't refer to vegetations, it refers to " life. " That's all I can remember about it. Jack - " Sue Blankman " <suesf5 <classxteve; <govegan; <amy; Sunday, July 28, 2002 10:36 AM [sFBAVeg] vegetarians who eat fish etc. I've always found it odd that the word " vegetarian " refers to people who eat dairy and egg, since neither of those is a plant, either. Before I gave up dairy, I would just say I " don't eat animals " because I felt uncomfortable being labeled. But since I've been vegan, I feel proud to be called one. Maybe it has something to do with wanting to be differentiated from not-yet-vegans. dunno.... ----Original Message Follows---- Steve Smekar <classxteve Tammy <govegan, " amy lynn (veggie grrrl) " <amy, SF-Be-A-Veg Re: Re: [sFBAVeg] " vegetarians " who eat fish Sat, 27 Jul 2002 20:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Great question!!! I spoke to someone once, saying " so you are vegetarian, great, me too! " They said " yeah, I only eat fish or chicken once in awhile, how often do you eat it? I said, none, zero, zippo, the big goose e** with a hole completely through it. If anyone living in the Bay area feels challenged about others receiving the veg message, I can relate with you. Imagine, living in the Dairy State, telling the farmer, I don't eat meat. That was a " coming out party " if I ever experienced one. But now everybody knows it. By the way, I worked for a cheese processing factory here, and couldn't help but notice how much of the " Real Wisconsin Cheese " really originates from Minnesota, Washington, and yes, California (which I believe is actually the largest cheese producer in the country, only because of numbers differential, 5X population of Wis). Steve " Tammy " <govegan " amy lynn (veggie grrrl) " <amy, " SF-Be-A-Veg " Sat Jul 27 09:51:48 PDT 2002 Re: [sFBAVeg] " vegetarians " who eat fish >How do you reason with someone who insists on calling themselves a >vegetarian and they still eat animals? Implicit in the definition of > " vegetarian " is not eating animals! > >I was just having this same friendly, but frustrating, discussion with a >friend at work who is trying to be vegetarian but still eats fish and calls >his diet " vegetarian " . > >Tammy > > >amy lynn (veggie grrrl) [amy] >Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:16 AM > >[sFBAVeg] vegetarians who eat fish > > >FISH IS NOT A VEGETABLE. >xoxo amy > > > > >*Tell your friends to Be-A-Veg with SFBAVeg! To , send an e-mail to: - >*To share a message with the group: >*Manage your SFBAVeg list subscription: >-Switch to no-mail: -nomail >-Switch to daily digest: -digest >-Switch to individual messages: -normal >-Leave the group: - >*If you have questions about the list, please contact Tammy and Chris, list admins, at -owner >*/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 On 7/28/02 10:38 AM, " jacknorris " <jacknorris wrote: > Many years ago I read an explanation of how the word " vegetarian " came into > being. The " vege " in " vegetarian " doesn't refer to vegetations, it refers to > " life. " That's all I can remember about it. > > Jack > I just wrote a paper on the subject; The word comes from the Latin word ŒVegetus¹ meaning vigorous and lively. It was coined in 1842 when the British Vegetarian Society was formed. tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 According to many surveys on the subject of vegetarian self-identification (e.g., as referenced in Donna Maurer's book " Vegetarianism: Movement or Moment? " ), the vast majority of people who define themselves as vegetarians actually eat animals such as chicken and fish. Some even think being vegetarian just means including plant-based foods in one's diet, irregardless of any type of meat consumption. This creates a real problem for those of us vegetarians/vegans who recognize that NO animal--whether fish, chicken, cow or pig--is a vegetable. For instance, I ate at a sushi place last week and ordered a " vegetable box " because the subtitle on the menu stated that " everything is veggie except the box " . When I got it, my friend pointed out that there was crab meat in some of the sushi. I brought it back to the counter and told them I ordered the vegetable box because I don't eat any animals at all. The server then pointed out that another piece of the food had chicken inside it (though this was not at all visibly apparent). So it's not just individuals who think that vegetarians eat fish and chicken: some restaurants are also under this false impression, and advertise " vegetarian " food that contains animal flesh. I guess it shows we have a long way to go in educating society at large about what vegetarianism (not to mention veganism) actually is. Mat. -- On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 12:57:31 Tony Martin wrote: >On 7/28/02 10:38 AM, " jacknorris " <jacknorris >wrote: > >> Many years ago I read an explanation of how the word " vegetarian " came into >> being. The " vege " in " vegetarian " doesn't refer to vegetations, it refers to >> " life. " That's all I can remember about it. >> >> Jack >> > > >I just wrote a paper on the subject; The word comes from the Latin word >ŒVegetus¹ meaning vigorous and lively. It was coined in 1842 when the >British Vegetarian Society was formed. > > >tony > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 I should be working, but.... yes, it's so bizarre how this concept of being vegetarian while eating animals thing came to be and has become commonplace. And I've found that Japanese restaurants are the most dangerous for vegans, as even their " vegetarian " dishes often use fish stock or sauce of some kind. I wanted to note this as a warning to always ASK! Sue ----Original Message Follows---- " matthew thomas " <ma> ma Re: [sFBAVeg] vegetarians who eat fish etc. Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:29:09 -0700 According to many surveys on the subject of vegetarian self-identification (e.g., as referenced in Donna Maurer's book " Vegetarianism: Movement or Moment? " ), the vast majority of people who define themselves as vegetarians actually eat animals such as chicken and fish. Some even think being vegetarian just means including plant-based foods in one's diet, irregardless of any type of meat consumption. This creates a real problem for those of us vegetarians/vegans who recognize that NO animal--whether fish, chicken, cow or pig--is a vegetable. For instance, I ate at a sushi place last week and ordered a " vegetable box " because the subtitle on the menu stated that " everything is veggie except the box " . When I got it, my friend pointed out that there was crab meat in some of the sushi. I brought it back to the counter and told them I ordered the vegetable box because I don't eat any animals at all. The server then pointed out that another piece of the food had chicken inside it (though this was not at all visibly apparent). So it's not just individuals who think that vegetarians eat fish and chicken: some restaurants are also under this false impression, and advertise " vegetarian " food that contains animal flesh. I guess it shows we have a long way to go in educating society at large about what vegetarianism (not to mention veganism) actually is. Mat. -- On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 12:57:31 Tony Martin wrote: >On 7/28/02 10:38 AM, " jacknorris " <jacknorris >wrote: > >> Many years ago I read an explanation of how the word " vegetarian " came into >> being. The " vege " in " vegetarian " doesn't refer to vegetations, it refers to >> " life. " That's all I can remember about it. >> >> Jack >> > > >I just wrote a paper on the subject; The word comes from the Latin word >ŒVegetus¹ meaning vigorous and lively. It was coined in 1842 when the >British Vegetarian Society was formed. > > >tony > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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