Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 Thanks, Tammy, for reminding people that this list should be a safe haven for all veggie-friendly people to express themselves freely without fear of attack. As you (or someone else) mentioned in a recent posting, we are all here for our common solidarity of vegetarian interests. As an ovo-lacto veggie for 7 years who has recently started eating fish again, I shouldn't feel the need to defend myself by also telling you that I vehemently support IDA and PETA, never wear or use animal products of any sort, and strive to only use consumer products non-tested on animals (but, of course, somehow, I do feel the need). I am grateful for the opportunity to continually learn more about vegetarianism and animal rights / environmental issues through this group. I agree that our list can be a powerful tool to help educate non-100% converted people towards ethical choices... but only if we can do so with compassion rather than judgement. hugs to all, denise ____________ Hi Cheryl and all, As I said to Tim, the list is for everyone, regardless of whether they are veggie or non-veggie, for pro-veggie and AR discussion. This is definitely not a list where people are welcome to bash veggies. (There are other lists for that!) SFBAVeg is not limited to " only " vegans or " only " vegetarians. It is open to anyone (vegans, pre-veg*ns) who wants to join us and find the support or answers they need for a vegetarian lifestyle. If people who currently eat cows, chicken, or fish want to join us because they are interested in learning more about a veggie lifestyle, they can. That would be great to encourage / help them to eat more plants in their diet! As it is, I wish there were more " new " or " wannabe " veggies on the list as there is so much great knowledge and friendship in the community that could really help a new veggie person. So that's my view, as the list admin and also just as a member of the list..... If you feel a particular post is not on-topic, help out and write us privately about it and tell us why. To be honest, I can't keep up with all the discussion on the list all of the time. -owner <== goes only to Chris & myself Thanks, Tammy SFBAVeg List Admin - Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:21 PM [sFBAVeg] Digest Number 285 *Tell your friends to Be-A-Veg with SFBAVeg! To , send an e-mail to: - *To share a message with the group: *Manage your SFBAVeg list subscription: -Switch to no-mail: -nomail -Switch to daily digest: -digest -Switch to individual messages: -normal -Leave the group: - *If you have questions about the list, please contact Tammy and Chris, list admins, at -owner */ ------ There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. update of vegetarian restaurants sunny outdoors <sunny_outdoors 2. vegetarian/vegan and non-violence " amy lynn (veggie grrrl) " <amy 3. Re: Judging Tim T <sfbayhooligan 4. re: Vegetarians who eat fish Tim T <sfbayhooligan 5. Re: Vegetarians who eat fish " meowthunk " <govegan 6. Re: vegetarian/vegan and non-violence Tony Martin <veggiedude 7. Re: Vegetarians who eat fish " mylehai " <noah_han 8. cruety shopping at thevegetariansite.com, 10% goes to Howard Lyman sunny outdoors <sunny_outdoors 9. (unknown) Michael Feeley <unseenscenery 10. Can you help me!! " lipsmackinvegan " <mickeydwalker 11. one more thing " lipsmackinvegan " <mickeydwalker 12. Re: re: Vegetarians who eat fish CHERYL BURKET <cburket 13. funny blue <vegaynism 14. funny (if i include the link) : ) blue <vegaynism 15. Re: re: Vegetarians who eat fish Kim Flournoy <kim 16. SFBAVeg is for all, veggie or veggie iinclined, even people who eat fish " " < 17. Re: SFBAVeg is for all, veggie or veggie iinclined, even people who eat fish Tony Martin <veggiedude 18. Important Note: Vik's! " Chandna, Alka " <alka.chandna 19. RE: Vegetarians who eat fish " Sue Blankman " <suesf5 20. RE: Re: Judging " Jay Gleason " <jay.gleason 21. Re: SFBAVeg is for all, veggie or veggie iinclined, even people who eat fish Kim Flournoy <kim 22. dinner & a movie - the perfect thing for a Friday night! " Chandna, Alka " <alka.chandna 23. Teenage wildlife: veggie talk Tony Martin <veggiedude 24. Omnivorous or Vegetarian - What famous naturalists think about " DeniseC " <dcmeta 25. Vegan Nutrition Lecture and Dinner, Aug 8 sunny outdoors <sunny_outdoors ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:11:31 -0700 (PDT) sunny outdoors <sunny_outdoors update of vegetarian restaurants #1 www.thebayleafcafe.com in Palo Alto has the most extensive vegan soy ice cream and vegan shakes around. The two vegan owners want to promote their delicious vegan menu. I recommend their Mighty Carrot Roll, it has a nice flavor that will make all sandwiches look boring. Check out a photo of their menu, it says, 35cent extra for milk. Guess what? Almost ALL of their customers go for the soy. For photos of the menu requesting more $ for milk, and photos of beautiful shakes go to: http://www.snapfish.com/share/p=261311028148198283/l=9211809 you need to register to see the beautiful photos #2 Vege House in Berkeley is coming out with a new menu next week. If you want a PDF of the menu, I can email it to you. A few weeks ago, 24 happy diners said the grilled Lemon Grass " Chicken " (it was not szechwan " chicken " dish) was the BEST entree. (all tofu and soy milk are homemake) Phil and others said they really enjoyed the dinner. Below was our extensive menu: 2 types of Spring Roll-Tofu and " pork " with 2 dipping sauce: peanut or sweet and sour chili sauce fried Lemon Grass + Chili Tofu fried Green Onion Tofu their yummy " chicken " chow mein egg plant clay pot Lemon Grass " chicken " not Szechuan " chicken " as listed Med Spicy Sautéed Mixed Vegetable and String Beans Mongolian " beef " Sample of their homemade, non-GMO soy milk, sugar or with green pandan herb. If you want a bargain, the lunch menu is under $5. AND l/2 off steam table items around 5:30pm. What a deal. (I don't think people are taking advantage of the l/2 off deal. The discount is ONLY at their Berkeley VegeHouse) #3 Ananda Furara, in SF is doing extremely well. On a weekday lunch at 2pm, there were 18 customers at the restaurant. During dinner time, it's the best bargain for Ballet and Opera fans. #4 Minako in SF, mixed organic sushi restaurant, received a lot of 4 star ratings from various web sites. On a Sat night, they were filled to capacity. Unfortunately due to low attendance, they no longer serve lunch. The down side of the restaurant is service might be slow due to only mom, daughter and a dishwasher working there. #5 Kam in SF, there's a rumor going on that the business is closed forever. Let's see in 4 months what happens when the remodeling job is finish. #6 Donna's Tamales-all vegetarian, at Embaradero Farmer's market, Tuesday and Sat, the 2 female owners are vegetarian. One of the owner is a vegetarian for over 23 years. Delicious Tamales, with around 6 vegan tamales to choose from. Also available at Whole Foods and Berkeley Bowl. -- Having a birthday or celebration soon? Ask your friends to take you to your favorite veggie restaurant or it will disappear like all the other 40 veggie restaurants.. -- For the past 4 months, Barney Barnhill has compiled restaurant reviews for the Vegetarian Journal. It's a magazine that comes out once every 5 years. If you want to contact him, I have his number. (no need to reinvent the wheel) Health - Feel better, live better http://health. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:38:48 -0700 " amy lynn (veggie grrrl) " <amy vegetarian/vegan and non-violence i've been veg 26 years and i'm also very pro-choice. can't tell you how much flack i've gotten over the years... " it's not okay to kill animals but it's okay to kill babies... " amy ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Tim T <sfbayhooligan Re: Judging >Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:14:39 -0700 > " Jay Gleason " <jay.gleason >RE: Is being a vegetarian same as non-violence ? >Violence begets violence. >If Osama is killed what good would be accomplished? >Judging, labeling, demanding, ~ violence. And many Americans have & will give their lives protecting & defending the American way of life, which gives you the right to state your opinions, no matter how wishy-washy & ignorant they are. I'd love for Jay to be parachuted down to an al Quaeda stronghold in Pakistan & provide him with the opportunity to 'field-test' his noble philosophy in the real world. I dunno about on your planet, Jay, but here on Earth, freedom isn't free. Tim Health - Feel better, live better http://health. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Tim T <sfbayhooligan re: Vegetarians who eat fish Methinks this group is getting a wee bit too touchy-feely, and straying from the harsh concept known as... reality. I haven't seen anyone point fingers in their posts. What several people have had the audacity to do is provide cogent, valid definitions of 'vegetarian.' If you or whoever make the choice to function in a manner inconsistent or contradictory to the simple definition of 'vegetarian,' that's your perogative, but please be a little less sensitive & a little more sensible about your reaction. If you want to join the vegan/vegetarian club, you know what to do -- it's not too difficult. If you chose not to, no one is 'alienating' you because of it, however you could & should be challenged regarding your wrongful claim that 'vegetarian' includes fish under any circumstances. You're probably kinder & more compassionate that I am, and that's wonderful for you. But you're not currently a vegetarian, and the way to change that (if you want to) isn't to tell us that you're feeling uncomfortable & alienated & expect us to dub you an honorary vegetarian (heck, why not go straight for vegan!). Tim, who'd like to be a vegan, but isn't one, despite being very polite to the milk & eggs I chose to consume. *************** Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:47:10 -0700 Bridge Biker <smile Re: Vegetarians who eat fish Hi Gillian and all: your statement expressed exactly what I have been wanting to write to the group. I was feeling really uncomfortable and alienated with the continued discussions re: why folks who eat fish don't have the right to call themselves vegetarian. why do we have to point fingers at one another? Health - Feel better, live better http://health. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:57:25 -0000 " meowthunk " <govegan Re: Vegetarians who eat fish , Tim T <sfbayhooligan> wrote: > I haven't seen anyone point fingers in their posts. > What several people have had the audacity to do is > provide cogent, valid definitions of 'vegetarian.' > If you or whoever make the choice to function in a > manner inconsistent or contradictory to the simple > definition of 'vegetarian,' that's your perogative, > but please be a little less sensitive & a little more > sensible about your reaction. If you want to join the > vegan/vegetarian club, you know what to do -- it's not > too difficult. Tim, As per our intentions in starting this group, and as stated in the charter, " Membership is free and open to everyone, vegans, vegetarians, veg*n-inclined or veg*n-interested people. " If someone who eats cows is interested in veggie stuff, but still eating cows, they are welcome to join and ask questions. And I know most everyone would be helpful and encouraging to them, not mocking them or making them feel like a 2nd class member. The only guidelines we have are what is " on topic " for the list, and that is: veggie or animal rights discussion, news, events, etc. Or did I get on the wrong list?? Tammy ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:48:46 -0700 Tony Martin <veggiedude Re: vegetarian/vegan and non-violence On 8/1/02 6:38 AM, " amy lynn (veggie grrrl) " <amy wrote: > i've been veg 26 years and i'm also very pro-choice. > can't tell you how much flack i've gotten over the years... > " it's not okay to kill animals but it's okay to kill babies... " Well, you can explain that at least you are CONSISTENT in your views. As a pro-choiser, you are not for outlawing meat production, that you are for every persons right to CHOOSE to be a vegetarian or to keep KILLING animals, even if they do claim to be Opro-life¹. It¹s all about individual choice. You can¹t legislate ethics. p.s. Our taxes support factory farming, vegetarian or not, so we don¹ have that much choice in the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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