Ryan & animal tests

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Ryan

Many on this list are not big on animal tests..

 

They always involve animals.. often in horrible ways.

 

They are very often not at all coincident with results on humans.

 

Resulting in ever greater human suffering than that of the animals.

 

Penicillin is just one of more than thousands of examples of the counter

productivity of animal tests. Because it kills guinea pigs, its animal

experiments held up its introduction 10-20 years.. resulting in millions

of human deaths..

 

I and many believe the facts show that the only real reason for animal

testing is that it is a cash cow for the research industry.

 

And that it does far more harm than good even only looking at its human

cost.

 

There are better ways of getting more accurate results. (Some we may have

to look for)

And in the future we will be looked on as being in the dark ages for not

having seen this.

 

(Dieticians are esp. subject to not understanding this.)

 

 

Ryan Darius Partovi [rpartovi]

Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:15 PM

 

Re: [sFBAVeg] Chocolate Milk

 

 

Almond Breeze contains carageenan, making it a no-no in my book Avoid

guar gum, carageenan, and large amounts of pectin. In cecal contents of

conventional rats, both guar gum and pectin led to the appearance of

cadaverine and to elevated putrescine concentrations in comparison with

the fiber-free control diet The cecal cadaverine concentration was

higher in pectin- than in guar-fed These experiments demonstrated the

ability of bacteroides, fusobacteria and anaerobic cocci to synthesize

high amounts of putrescine and spermidine. Calculations based on these

results suggest that the intestinal microflora are a major source of

polyamines in the contents of the large intestine.

 

Love,

 

Ryan

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Jay,

 

> There are better ways of getting more accurate results. (Some we may have

> to look for) And in the future we will be looked on as being in the dark

ages for not

> having seen this.

>

> (Dieticians are esp. subject to not understanding this.)

 

I'm going to have to disagree with this. I can't think of a single dietary

recommendation that dietitians give to patients or the general public that

is based on animal research -- rather, they are all based on human studies.

 

My experience is that it's actually non-dietitian 'nutritionists' that make

recommendations that are sometimes based on animal research.

 

You do not see dietitians jumping on the anti-carrageenan bandwagon because

studies have not yet been performed on humans.

 

Jack Norris, RD, Vegan Outreach

916/375-0014

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http://veganoutreach.org