Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 > They are very often not at all coincident with results on humans. > > Resulting in ever greater human suffering than that of the animals. > > Penicillin is just one of more than thousands of examples of the counter > productivity of animal tests. Because it kills guinea pigs, its animal > experiments held up its introduction 10-20 years.. resulting in > millions > of human deaths.. Jay, We have come a long way from the days of penicillin and excessive animal testing. As far as your similarity claim, perhaps you are not up on the latest research. See the article below. Love, Ryan Man and mouse genetically similar Comparing DNA sequences offers insight into man’s makeup By Maggie Fox Reuters WASHINGTON, May 30 — What makes a man different from a mouse? Genetically, it is pretty hard to tell, researchers said Thursday. An initial comparison of one mouse chromosome to a human chromosome shows the genes they carry are highly similar, a team at genome company Celera Genomics reports in Friday’s issue of the journal Science. SCIENTISTS HOPE that by comparing human DNA sequences to those of other animals, they can tease out what it is that makes us unique. And because scientists have experimented on billions of lab mice and know a great deal about their genetics, they hope the field, called comparative genomics, can help them better understand human biology. Richard Mural and a team of colleagues at Celera compared chromosome 16 in the mouse to human chromosome 21, which it closely resembles. Mural said both are fairly small and well-understood, which is why his team compared them. “To me, the thing that I found the most interesting is just how similar the mouse and the human are in respect to genes, and gene content and DNA sequences,” Neal Copeland, an expert in genetics and genomics at the National Cancer Institute, said in a telephone interview. “We already knew that human and mouse were similar but it was really hard to know exactly how similar.” The Celera researchers found mice have about 10 percent less DNA than humans, mostly because the human genome has a great deal of repetitive sequences, once called “junk DNA.” This surprised Copeland. “It always has been assumed that the mouse and human genomes were about the same size.” Celera is sequencing the entire collection of mouse genes. It is also finishing the human sequence, which it assembled in 2000. A publicly funded effort to sequence and analyze the entire mouse genome in also underway. GENOME MYSTERY One of the mysteries raised by sequencing the human genome is how few genes it takes to make a person. Scientists once thought humans had about 100,000 different genes, but Celera and the publicly funded Human Genome Project came up with about one-third that number. In contrast, the rice plant has 50,000 genes. “The amount of DNA in an organism just doesn’t seem to have any correlation with anything we associate with the complexity of an organism,” Mural said in a telephone interview. “There are plants that have genomes 10 times larger than humans.” Scientists now believe that the genes themselves are not the only important parts of the genome. Other DNA, including the repetitive sequences, may play a key role in controlling genes. Celera is publishing the information on chromosome 16 in the public GenBank, but holding back the rest of the mouse genome data for paying clients. They found what look like 731 genes on the mouse chromosome. “Fourteen genes have no known human homologs (counterparts), whereas 21 human genes in the compared regions are unique to humans,” Copeland and colleagues Nancy Jenkins and Stephen O’Brien at the National Cancer Institute, said in a commentary. The 14 genes may be unique to mice, or their human counterparts may lie elsewhere, Mural’s team said. DIFFERENT EVOLUTION Based on this, it could be predicted that about 2 percent of mouse genes are unique to mice, and about 2.9 percent are unique to humans, Mural’s team added. One big difference lies in genes that control production of structures known as zinc fingers. Zinc fingers play a huge role in regulating what genes do, so this is probably key to the process of mice and humans having evolved into different species, Copeland said. Humans share 98.7 percent of our DNA with chimpanzees, our closest living relatives. Humans and chimps branched off from a common ape-like ancestor 5 million years ago, while humans and mice diverged between 90 million and 100 million years ago. Mural said it is too soon to say what percentage of DNA is shared by mice and men. © 2002 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. http://www.msnbc.com/news/759540.asp?cp1=1 On Sunday, August 4, 2002, at 12:37 AM, Jay Gleason wrote: > Ryan > Many on this list are not big on animal tests.. > > They always involve animals.. often in horrible ways. > > They are very often not at all coincident with results on humans. > > Resulting in ever greater human suffering than that of the animals. > > Penicillin is just one of more than thousands of examples of the counter > productivity of animal tests. Because it kills guinea pigs, its animal > experiments held up its introduction 10-20 years.. resulting in > millions > of human deaths.. > > I and many believe the facts show that the only real reason for animal > testing is that it is a cash cow for the research industry. > > And that it does far more harm than good even only looking at its human > cost. > > There are better ways of getting more accurate results. (Some we may > have > to look for) > And in the future we will be looked on as being in the dark ages for not > having seen this. > > (Dieticians are esp. subject to not understanding this.) > > > Ryan Darius Partovi [rpartovi] > Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:15 PM > > Re: [sFBAVeg] Chocolate Milk > > > Almond Breeze contains carageenan, making it a no-no in my book Avoid > guar gum, carageenan, and large amounts of pectin. In cecal contents of > conventional rats, both guar gum and pectin led to the appearance of > cadaverine and to elevated putrescine concentrations in comparison with > the fiber-free control diet The cecal cadaverine concentration was > higher in pectin- than in guar-fed These experiments demonstrated the > ability of bacteroides, fusobacteria and anaerobic cocci to synthesize > high amounts of putrescine and spermidine. Calculations based on these > results suggest that the intestinal microflora are a major source of > polyamines in the contents of the large intestine. > > Love, > > Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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