Thank you Mr. Pete and a request for understanding.

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This message is on topic because it has to do with showing respect &

kindness to

other human animals, as well as, how to more kindly & effectively

communicate

on AR/veg issues.

 

 

Mr. Pete [plcohon]

Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:07 AM

 

Re: [sFBAVeg] Man and mouse genetically similar: Comparing DNA

sequences offers insight into man's makeup

 

Congratulations, Ryan. You have done the impossible. You've actually

gotten me to agree with Gleason for once! You see, miracles really do

happen.

 

 

As usual Mr. Pete, I am inspired by and in awe of your writing ...

 

I just wanted you to know that my criticism of the word " should " was not

intended as an attack on you, or that I felt you intended any violence by

using of it.

 

I want to empathize with you greatly if you felt it was.

 

My suggestion is to find the definition of " shoulding people " if you do not

already know.

 

You may decide then if either of these less violent options would work

better:

 

Could, might, etc.

 

These words imply an option, where as, " should " implies a demand, taking

away from and showing no respect for the autonomy of the person(s) on the

receiving end.

 

As a child I accidentally killed my grandmothers toy poodle by stepping on

it while running and playing in her yard..

I certainly did not intend to do it.. I will regret it for every moment of

my life.. but it does not change my responsibility.

 

I feel if I use words like should, fool or coward etc. I am disrespecting to

myself, as well as, others and making communication & understanding harder.

 

May the blessings of love & kindness be upon you all.

 

Jay

[Guest guest]

No insult was intended, Jay. I simply said that I had not agreed with you in

the past. That's a fact, not an insult. After all, I'm not claiming to be

right when we disagree. I'm just offering a dissenting opinion. I regret any

misunderstanding that my language caused.

 

By the way, the word " should " can indeed imply a demand, but it can also imply a

suggestion. For example, when we say, " you should read this book, " we don't

mean, " you must read this book. " We really mean to say, " I suggest that you

read this book. " That's the way I use the word, anyway.

 

Once again, I apologize to you and the list for any offense that was

inadvertently given.

-

Jay Gleason

; Mr. Pete

Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:26 AM

[sFBAVeg] Thank you Mr. Pete and a request for understanding.

 

 

This message is on topic because it has to do with showing respect &

kindness to

other human animals, as well as, how to more kindly & effectively

communicate

on AR/veg issues.

 

Mr. Pete [plcohon]

Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:07 AM

Re: [sFBAVeg] Man and mouse genetically similar: Comparing DNA

sequences offers insight into man's makeup

 

Congratulations, Ryan. You have done the impossible. You've actually

gotten me to agree with Gleason for once! You see, miracles really do

happen.

 

 

As usual Mr. Pete, I am inspired by and in awe of your writing ...

 

I just wanted you to know that my criticism of the word " should " was not

intended as an attack on you, or that I felt you intended any violence by

using of it.

 

I want to empathize with you greatly if you felt it was.

 

My suggestion is to find the definition of " shoulding people " if you do not

already know.

 

You may decide then if either of these less violent options would work

better:

 

Could, might, etc.

 

These words imply an option, where as, " should " implies a demand, taking

away from and showing no respect for the autonomy of the person(s) on the

receiving end.

 

As a child I accidentally killed my grandmothers toy poodle by stepping on

it while running and playing in her yard..

I certainly did not intend to do it.. I will regret it for every moment of

my life.. but it does not change my responsibility.

 

I feel if I use words like should, fool or coward etc. I am disrespecting to

myself, as well as, others and making communication & understanding harder.

 

May the blessings of love & kindness be upon you all.

 

Jay

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

-

Jay Gleason

; Mr. Pete

Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:26 AM

[sFBAVeg] Thank you Mr. Pete and a request for understanding.

 

 

This message is on topic because it has to do with showing respect &

kindness to[ other human animals, as well as, how to more kindly &

effectively

communicate[ on AR/veg issues.

 

Mr. Pete [plcohon]

Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:20 AM

 

Cc: jay.gleason

Re: [sFBAVeg] Thank you Mr. Pete and a request for understanding.

 

 

No insult was intended, Jay. I simply said that I had not agreed with you

in the past. That's a fact, not an insult. After all, I'm not claiming to

be right when we disagree. I'm just offering a dissenting opinion. I

regret any misunderstanding that my language caused.

 

By the way, the word " should " can indeed imply a demand, but it can also

imply a suggestion. For example, when we say, " you should read this book, "

we don't mean, " you must read this book. " We really mean to say, " I suggest

that you read this book. " That's the way I use the word, anyway.

 

Once again, I apologize to you and the list for any offense that was

inadvertently given.

 

 

Thank you Mr. Pete.

 

I felt no insult.. I just wanted you to know my true appreciation: that I

truly am inspired by and in awe of your writing even if it offends some

lawyers ...oh I forgot..you did not write that No sarcasm...

 

(I truly feel sarcasm may be a form of violence.)

 

By now I hope you know my intension is to be as non violent as I can.

 

I have a problem with seeing too many facts slide, I feel you share it?

 

(I still have a problem with the idea " that it is better to be kind than to

be right " ..as many on the list may have concluded.)

 

Your apologies for my offence at your use of the words: " should, coward, &

fool. " are most graciously accepted.

 

(Even if you did not give me them all... I am going to take them anyway)

 

(For forgiveness I will have to check with his holiness

 

I still have a problem with " you should read this book, " .

 

" I feel you would enjoy this book " , " I think this book would have a lot to

offer you " , and " I really enjoyed and learned from this book and I think

you would too. " , etc.

 

I feel would more clearly state your intention and avoiding the offence of

encroaching on ones sovereign right to chose what the do.

 

Also I have a suggestion about suggestions.. That is to offer to someone

would like to hear my suggestion?

 

If I ask " I have a suggestion would like to hear it " and they say yes..

they will be more open to it...listening and possibly understanding.

 

I am ok with hearing " No " and have no desire to shove it at them, except in

a dire situation where such a suggestion would be better defined as a

warning. e.g life threatening, legal, etc.

 

Where as if I just give it to them...They may feel put upon & feel that I

need to be punished. e.g. labeled or abused etc. for imposing on them.

 

Blessings and kindness to all

 

Jay