Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Share Posted November 7, 2002 Oh golly, thanks. Obviously, I have my politics in all the wrong places! Your post was offensive and demeaning in so many ways that I don't feel like exerting the energy to address it. I'm genuinely sorry you feel so much anger and animosity about the topic of tonight's slideshow. I'll leave it at this though--in my mind, all forms of oppression are linked and forging coalitions between groups/issues only serves to strengthen the push for human and animal freedom. Love, Nicole a proudly queer, fat, vegan animal right's activist SFBAVeg, Tim T <sfbayhooligan> wrote: > > " grrlburn " <Grrlburn> > >Slideshow Reminder: 11/7 @ 8 pm > > > ANIMAL LIBERATION IS A WOMEN'S ISSUE!! > > I suppose that's a catchy phrase to simpletons, but > it's also an idiotic one, and more importantly, > detracts from the focus of non-human animals. > However, " Feminists for Animal Rights " is an idiotic > issue that poses a problem for all of us > non-simpletons who are concerned with animal rights. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 you rock, nicole! grrlburn <Grrlburn wrote:Oh golly, thanks. Obviously, I have my politics in all the wrong places! Your post was offensive and demeaning in so many ways that I don't feel like exerting the energy to address it. I'm genuinely sorry you feel so much anger and animosity about the topic of tonight's slideshow. I'll leave it at this though--in my mind, all forms of oppression are linked and forging coalitions between groups/issues only serves to strengthen the push for human and animal freedom. Love, Nicole a proudly queer, fat, vegan animal right's activist SFBAVeg, Tim T <sfbayhooligan> wrote: > > " grrlburn " <Grrlburn> > >Slideshow Reminder: 11/7 @ 8 pm > > > ANIMAL LIBERATION IS A WOMEN'S ISSUE!! > > I suppose that's a catchy phrase to simpletons, but > it's also an idiotic one, and more importantly, > detracts from the focus of non-human animals. > However, " Feminists for Animal Rights " is an idiotic > issue that poses a problem for all of us > non-simpletons who are concerned with animal rights. > *Got Questions? We got answers! See the SFBAVeg FAQ at http://www.generationv.org/faq.htm *SFBAVeg Charter: http://www.generationv.org/charter.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 It's nice to see Rush Limbaugh is a member of our list. >> " grrlburn " <Grrlburn >> Slideshow Reminder: 11/7 @ 8 pm > >> ANIMAL LIBERATION IS A WOMEN'S ISSUE!! > > I suppose that's a catchy phrase to simpletons, but > it's also an idiotic one, and more importantly, > detracts from the focus of non-human animals. > However, " Feminists for Animal Rights " is an idiotic > issue that poses a problem for all of us > non-simpletons who are concerned with animal rights. > >> Animal Rights Direct Action Coalition and Feminists >> for Animal Rights present: > >> ANIMAL LIBERATION THROUGH AN ECO-FEMINIST LENS >> a slideshow presentation > > An organized (?) group called Feminists for Animal > Rights?! Geez, I sure do love (and hate) the Bay > Area! > >> covering the history of patriarchal attitudes >> towards women and non-human animals. The show also >> highlights the parallels between the > objectification, >> exploitation and abuse of women and non-human > animals >> in contemporary society, from their role in >> pornographic media to the animal testing and >> slaughterhouse industries. > > Apparently I'm rather naive regarding the animal > pornography industry, just as I am regarding any > special involvement of female humans in the > vivisection & slaughterhouse operations. > > But the gaggle sounds like what in 'male > vernacular' would be considered a " CIRCLE-JERK! " Be > sure to get a permit from the fire department to burn > some bras, or maybe because the fire-department is > male-dominated ( & fire hoses are phallic symbols), > DON'T get a permit, and if the Fire Marshall issues > any citations, it's an example of blatant > harassment... > > > > Who are the evil males that launched PETA's > campaign a couple years back of some naked women -- > cute naked women, not fat, ugly naked women -- being > exploited as part of the PETA anti-fur campaign (and > speaking of fur, I could make a nice pun here...)? > That objectification by PETA Men fueled all sorts of > lust in us evil, heterosexual guys, while of course > any lesbians that got a positive charge out of it were > merely 'celebrating' the beauty of women's bodies (at > least that of pretty women like Pam Anderson). > > > GROW SOME BALLS, ECO-FEMME CHICKS (figuratively > only, please), and quit trying to link your own > real/perceived personal and societal inadequacies with > that of truly meaningful causes such as that of > (non-human) animal rights! Pity-parties like what's > going on tonight at " The Women's Building " will only > perpetuate the stereotype that women are weak > creatures who are unable to fend for themselves in > society. But then, I suppose that's what many > 'feminists' really want -- it's a convenient excuse > for failures. > > Instead of seeking shelter & solace at " The Women's > Building " & getting all worked up, how about doing > something which will focus on the real and true > protection of non-human animals? Remember, if us men > are truly powerful enough to have kept you women > repressed over the centuries, then you can't win a > fight against us powerful men, no matter how loud you > scream nor how many bras you burn. A real feminist > wouldn't be weak enough to need to form/join a > feminist fringe-group to plan & carry out animal > rights operations. > > So how about you tell the silly & self-serving > 'Feminists for Animal Rights' group to take a hike in > search of sensibility & respect, and while they're > doing that, the rest of us humans can get together and > focus on helping non-human animals. > > Then afterwards, I'll be happy to go out with > heterosexual males & lesbian females to the Hustler > Club, in order to help celebrate (worship!) the > feminine body and equally-important, the FREE-WILL > that women have to show off their bodies (often for a > lot of $$$ -- more $$$ than males doing the same thing > would get). No one had to empower them to do it, nor > force them to do it, despite what the fat/ugly/jealous > women who could never get hired at a place like that > would like the world to believe. > > Maybe while there, we can hold an unofficial > audition for another PETA media campaign! > > > I'd actually love to attend the *show* tonight. But > what's really funny is that I won't be able to attend > the ARDAC/FAR event nor a Hustler Club event tonight, > because I'll be putting in some time at an animal > shelter, then my girlfriend has *demanded* to be > allowed to come to my home tonight and help me clean > the place -- specifically my laundry room & bathroom, > while I assemble a desk & set up another room (talk > about stereotypes...)! We'll then go soak in a hot > tub, and come back here & go to sleep, after some > worshipping of each other's bodies. > > I pity those of you who can't find anything more > productive or rewarding to do than go to " The Women's > Building " (I wonder if the funder's, architects, > builders, and custodians are women?) & suffer though > some " eco-feminist " brainwashing to redirect some of > your focus away from the issue of animal rights. > > > Sincerely, > > Tim > Founder/sole member of the Bay Area Sensible Humanist > Male Empowerment (BASHME) > > > > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch./u2 > > *Got Questions? We got answers! See the SFBAVeg FAQ at > http://www.generationv.org/faq.htm > > *SFBAVeg Charter: http://www.generationv.org/charter.htm > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 06:44 PM, Joseph Connelly wrote: > It's nice to see Rush Limbaugh is a member of our list. > Can't we all just... get along? -- tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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