Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 thanks so much for such an articulate and thoughtful posting. thanks also for the info on Eagle Pack cat food! I went to their website eaglepack.com and indeed they have cat food (and dog food) with organic, free range chicken which was raised on Mennonite and Amish farms (and the Amish definitely do not believe in automation, so you know these are not factory type farms at all). You can do a zip code search on their website and I found out that there are stores in berkeley, lafayette, san fran., etc. who carry this food. I wanted to add that I too use Wellness cat food and that while it used to use " human grade " chicken, it no longer states that it does. I plan to call them and ask if they still use " human grade " chicken in their cat food. Stephanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 Hi All, I've been following the debate, as like the rest of you, I care for animals yet feed them to my cats. Re the natural diet: First, cats WILL eat fish when they can catch them. However our domesticated cats will probably choke on the bones. Also, I find my cats prefer chicken food to any other food - I think it is because it is closest to their natural diet. I know " Eagle " makes its food with organic (free range?) chicken. Their " Hollistic " brand is also otherwise natural. I use " Wellness " which is human grade. My CATS chose it - I bought 12 different kinds of " natural " cat foods, left all bowls standing for 3 days, and after the novelty effect wore off they chose wellness - it was the ONLY bowl emptied. I then turned the package around and found it was the only one with NO by-products and ALL natural ingredients (of the brands I bought, that is). Re vegan diets - my cats show NO interest in any of the raw ingredients used in vegan diets (like soy or corn). I think their natural instincts guide them towards what they need, when presented raw, that is. For their treat, after much debate, I stopped giving them canned food (reading the ingredients made me shutter). I buy, God help me, organic free range pastrame, and they get a tiny tiny bit each day. They adore it, and I figure I'd rather encourage the free range industry than the by-products industry, if I am put between a rock and a hard place and have to choose one. (Depriving my cats of their treat is unfair towards them in my opinion. We all need our treats). Two last points: First, I think we, as a species, domesticated cats and now have a sort of responsability towards them - to give them homes and discourage further breeding when so many animals are homeless. It would be unfair, in my opinion, to give them a home and then force them to feed on our diet. I doubt they would choose a vegan diet if they were able to speak their mind (which they sometimes do ;-) Letting cats eat chicken is more part of the natural food chain than it is for us to eat chicken, so I am comfortable with the distinction. Think of all the wild birds you're saving by giving them a home... (I would object to making lions or tigers vegetarian - why cats then?) And finally, re cats eating the processed food and liking them, just to remind you - two thirds of americans are now overweight (incl. many children), and this is not because of overeating fruits and vegetables. The processed foods industry is good at fooling the bodies and natural instincts of both humans and cats into thinking what they're selling is good. The only way to get around this (our taste buds have become unworthy - in nature, foods that are bad for us also smell and taste bad!) - is to read the ingredients (and of course choose raw when possible). I do that both for my own foods and for my cats. Cheers, Tal :-) PS: All that being said - if someone happens to find studies done on the health of cats on a vegan diet - I'd love to know about them. But until proven 100% safe, I'll keep my cats as nature intended - carnivores (and myself as nature intended - vegan). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 > Re vegan diets - my cats show NO interest in any of the raw > ingredients used in vegan diets (like soy or corn). Just wanted to share the pic of my corn-eating friend .... http://www.generationv.org/displayimage.php?image=pics/ttt/moomoo.jpg Cheers, Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 My cat, too, is obsessed with corn! FWIW, my vet thinks that because they crave it, doesn't mean that it's good for them, and that they have been trained to eat high-starch, high-sugar foods like corn through a lifetime of processed cat foods, not because they are natural or healthy (which that vet feels they are very much not). Bruce > Just wanted to share the pic of my corn-eating friend .... > http://www.generationv.org/displayimage.php?image=pics/ttt/moomoo.jpg > > Cheers, > Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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