Fwd: Fwd: RE: fakevegan2003's This vegan makes everybody looks good

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howarddy2 wrote:howarddy2

Jordan Rothstein

Re: Fwd: RE: fakevegan2003's " This vegan makes everybody looks good "

Tue, 14 Jan 2003 02:50:52 +0000

 

Its interesting that " fakevegan " does not mention that he initially stated he

was neither vegetarian nor vegan and that he was just looking for a social

event to go to. He may have believed that his handle would explain that.

 

Also, he was asked to come into another room to avoid loosing face with other

attendees. He wasn't 'dressed down' but rather given suggestions for better

participation in the future. However, since these were " Lay's Potato Chips " ,

with lots of salt and cottonseed oil, they were catagorized as a form of junk

food.

 

Its interesting that the chips were eaten most by him and another visiting

carnivore [but one that actually prepared a large and testy vegan dish].

 

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> Tammy wrote: " Tammy "

> " Jordan Rothstein "

> RE: fakevegan2003's " This vegan makes everybody looks good "

> Thu, 9 Jan 2003 21:09:43 -0800

>

> Hi Jordan,

> Well, if the anonymous post was indeed a reference to the potluck that you

> posted about, evidently someone didn't share your opinion and posted an

opinion

> otherwise.... Since you have a ID, you can see the message in the

> archives: SFBAVeg/message/3418 For future

> reference, could you please include who the organizer person or group is for

> event announcements. Cheers,Tammy

>

> Jordan Rothstein [restmind]

> Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:17 PM

> Tammy

> Re: fakevegan2003's " This vegan makes everybody looks good "

>

>

> Tammy- I'm uninformed as to what this is about,but I see my name is in here.

> Could you please forward me the " fake vegan " thing,whatever it is? I haven't

> seen it. The notices which I forwarded were about potlucks of the " East Bay

> Veg*n " group. I'm a raw vegan myself and appreciate the fact that there are

> always raw folks & raw food at this event, & it's a friendly scene. If there

is

> a problem,please explain what it is. Thanks,Jordan.

> Tammy wrote: Hi all,

>

> The recent note from fakevegan2003 raises some interesting points!

>

> The most recent potluck event that I recall posted to the list was one held

> at Dru's. I don't know who organized it or who sponsored it, as that wasn't

> included when Jordan posted twice to the list about it. And since

> fakevegan2003 chose to post anonymously, and not identify the event or the

> host, we may only speculate and idly gossip.

>

> I want to make it *really* clear that this was *NOT* a SFBAVeg event. As

> you all know, we have very clear guidelines for our Vegan Food Parties. I

> hope no one who attended that event went thinking it was a SFBAVeg VFP.

>

> I hope the intention of fakevegan2003's note was merely to give another

> perspective to folks organizing events, and not to bash some other anonymous

> person who may not even be on this list.

>

> Anyways, since I don't know anything out above, let me just use this as an

> opportunity to discuss our own Vegan Food Parties (i.e. the VFP's held by

> SFBAVeg'ers for SFBAVeg'ers). They are organized in the spirit of sharing

> food, fun, and community. Our guidelines do ask that people bring food (not

> drinks), and we ask that each person bring a dish that can provide 6

> servings. Due to a previous VFP experience, I've even made it more specific

> by saying that six bite-size pieces of food do not qualify as six servings

> of food.

>

> The Vegan Food Party page ( http://www.generationv.org/vfpdetails.htm )

> says " If you need vegan food help or some suggestions, please ask the list,

> or browse recipes from other VFPs or contact us. Feel free to " experiment "

> and " test " your new vegan recipes on us :-) " I actually ENCOURAGE people

> to use this as an opportunity to try out their vegan cooking skills, as well

> as appreciate/gather new vegan food recipes. I know I have had some really

> good dishes.

>

> I dislike the term " potluck " because too often that has become synonymous

> with maybe so-so food. This happens when everyone doesn't consistently

> bring good food, either through ignorance, lack of planning, or

> indifference. That's why our approach is a " vegan food party " . Our VFP's

> have the guidelines clearly stated as to what our expectations are. People

> put a lot of time, care, and creativity into their dishes, and this is

> always appreciated & enjoyed by all. Others are very generous with

> purchasing items; I've seen one person bring two or three restaurant

> entrees, or a dozen of those huge Rebecca muffins.

>

> So, yes, I would have to say by our VFP standards, bringing two bags of

> Lay's potato chips would not have been up to expectations of a " vegan food

> party " that celebrates vegan food. But I think it is the manner in which

> this message was delivered that was most upsetting. It's too bad that this

> happened. However, I don't really think you can expect an unsigned post to

> generate any real change in that host's behaviour.

>

> The SFBAVeg List Admins encourage all emails to the list that are more

> opinion than fact (as was fakevegan2003's note) to be signed with the

> author's name (see the Charter). Be responsible and accountable for your

> opinions. We are a community that knows each other and meets & eats at

> events. We should be comfortable making the same statements via email as we

> would in person to each other.

>

> Cheers,

> Tammy

> SFBAVeg List Admin

>

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