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Dear All!

 

I am a pure vegetarian for the last 15 years (I am 23). The reason for adopting

this lifestyle was simply that I cannot stand cruelty to helpless animals just

for taste. I have posted this message to other veggie groups but received no

meaningful replies, except for a couple.

 

Now the thing is that for so many years, my friends, mates and colleagues have

been asking me the one question: why am i vegetarian? I always reply that I its

cause of cruelty to animals.

 

Their reply is that: why do eat plants then? arent they living things? its cruel

to eat a living thing, so why do u eat plants? I simply have no answer to that;

I just say that I just cant eat meat and stuff, but I have no solid argument.

 

Another argument that I am confronted with is: eating animals is part of the

food chain.. everywhere organisms eat other organisms, so the world goes round

this way.

Once again, I am stumped.

 

And, finally, they say that animals are made for human beings. They are here so

that we can eat them n stuff. This argument is one which I simply refuse to

agree to, but again I have no proof or reason.

 

Anyway, all of you have been vegetarians for so long, and can certianly provide

some guidance regarding my problem. Although it is not necessary for me to

provide any justification to others for my actions or lifestyle, but it is

always a confidence-boost if I can convince others to my point of view.

 

Therefore, I request everyone here to please provide valuable input regarding my

situation. It would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thank you & Best wishes.

 

Rahul.

 

 

 

 

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Rahul,

 

Get yourself a copy of " Diet for a New America " by John Robbins. That will

clear up many of these questions.

 

-Kim

 

 

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, bluebasket wrote:

 

> Dear All!

>

> I am a pure vegetarian for the last 15 years (I am 23). The reason for

adopting this lifestyle was simply that I cannot stand cruelty to helpless

animals just for taste. I have posted this message to other veggie groups but

received no meaningful replies, except for a couple.

>

> Now the thing is that for so many years, my friends, mates and colleagues have

been asking me the one question: why am i vegetarian? I always reply that I its

cause of cruelty to animals.

>

> Their reply is that: why do eat plants then? arent they living things? its

cruel to eat a living thing, so why do u eat plants? I simply have no answer to

that; I just say that I just cant eat meat and stuff, but I have no solid

argument.

>

> Another argument that I am confronted with is: eating animals is part of the

food chain.. everywhere organisms eat other organisms, so the world goes round

this way.

> Once again, I am stumped.

>

> And, finally, they say that animals are made for human beings. They are here

so that we can eat them n stuff. This argument is one which I simply refuse to

agree to, but again I have no proof or reason.

>

> Anyway, all of you have been vegetarians for so long, and can certianly

provide some guidance regarding my problem. Although it is not necessary for me

to provide any justification to others for my actions or lifestyle, but it is

always a confidence-boost if I can convince others to my point of view.

>

> Therefore, I request everyone here to please provide valuable input regarding

my situation. It would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thank you & Best wishes.

>

> Rahul.

>

>

>

>

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> Their reply is that: why do eat plants then? arent they living things?

> its cruel to eat a living thing, so why do u eat plants? I simply have no

> answer to that; I just say that I just cant eat meat and stuff, but I have

> no solid argument.

 

yes, this is a time-honoured, worn-out argument made by meat eaters when

they start to feel bad for eating animals. it always comes down to this.

there is no easy answer. one is that plants don't have brains or the

ability to feel pain. another is that eating plants is more sustainable

for the earth. a plant won't run away from you when you come at it with

a knife. food from animals will give you food poisoning give a half a

chance, food from plants will not. the list goes on.

 

> Another argument that I am confronted with is: eating animals is part of

> the food chain.. everywhere organisms eat other organisms, so the world

> goes round this way. Once again, I am stumped.

 

it's part of some people's food chain - and look at how the earth is

suffering because of it! we do not need meat to survive, and there are

many vegetarians and vegans that are living proof of this. we also get to

choose what we eat - we're not bound by where we are in the food chain -

we can choose to be guardians and caretakers for animals and the earth

instead of surrendering to our animal brains and eating anything that

moves.

 

> And, finally, they say that animals are made for human beings. They are

> here so that we can eat them n stuff. This argument is one which I simply

> refuse to agree to, but again I have no proof or reason.

 

there is no proof either way when dealing with this argument, unless you

are arguing with christians. in this case, it is to do with the bible.

the bible is translated as stating that animals belong to humans to use as

they like - however you can also interpret it as that we were granted

stewardship of all animals - to protect them and make sure they are able to

continue as species.

 

if you're not arguing with christians then all you can say is that you don't

agree that humans can do whatever they like with animals, that you believe

them to be sentient creatures that do not deserve to be slaughtered for food.

you can also ask them why they won't eat certain types of animals if they

believe it to be their right - why don't they eat cats, dogs, goldfish?

is it perhaps because they feel compassion for these animals that show us

friendship?

 

hope this helps some, and i second the recommendation to read " diet for a

new america " . it's a great book.

 

thanks

olivia

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Quoting SFBAVeg :

> Now the thing is that for so many years, my friends, mates and colleagues

> have been asking me the one question: why am i vegetarian? I always reply

> that I its cause of cruelty to animals.

>

> Their reply is that: why do eat plants then? arent they living things? its

> cruel to eat a living thing, so why do u eat plants? I simply have no answer

> to that; I just say that I just cant eat meat and stuff, but I have no solid

> argument.

>

> Another argument that I am confronted with is: eating animals is part of the

> food chain.. everywhere organisms eat other organisms, so the world goes

> round this way.

> Once again, I am stumped.

 

The best answer I have hear to your first two questions I saw posted here on

this list and it was something like this: Being a vegan/vegetarian one of the

main goals is to reduce suffering of all life on the planet and to lessen the

negative impact of life on the environment. We have to eat something to survive

but it is a personal choice where on the food chain a person chooses to eat.

A cow is fed a massive amount of plants (and ground up cows and chickens but

that is a different topic) in its lifespan so by eating a cow a person would be

causing more plants to die than if they ate a vegetarian diet. By eating

lower on the food chain, by choosing a vegetarian/vegan diet, you are greatly

reducing the number of plants and animals that need to be killed.

 

 

Hope this helps,

Jason

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Another argument is that with modern day " factory farming " techniques, the

animals that are raised for food are raised in quite horrifying conditions.

" Vegan: the new ethics of eating " does a wonderful job explaining why

vegetarianism, and veganism in particular is the most moral and ethical

choice for eating on the planet. It was an eye-opening book for me and I

broke down in tears several times.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Susan

 

 

 

Jason and Vivian [jnv]

Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:07 AM

SFBAVeg

[sFBAVeg] Re: Vegetarianism

 

 

Quoting SFBAVeg :

> Now the thing is that for so many years, my friends, mates and colleagues

> have been asking me the one question: why am i vegetarian? I always reply

> that I its cause of cruelty to animals.

>

> Their reply is that: why do eat plants then? arent they living things? its

> cruel to eat a living thing, so why do u eat plants? I simply have no

answer

> to that; I just say that I just cant eat meat and stuff, but I have no

solid

> argument.

>

> Another argument that I am confronted with is: eating animals is part of

the

> food chain.. everywhere organisms eat other organisms, so the world goes

> round this way.

> Once again, I am stumped.

 

The best answer I have hear to your first two questions I saw posted here on

this list and it was something like this: Being a vegan/vegetarian one of

the

main goals is to reduce suffering of all life on the planet and to lessen

the

negative impact of life on the environment. We have to eat something to

survive

but it is a personal choice where on the food chain a person chooses to eat.

A cow is fed a massive amount of plants (and ground up cows and chickens but

that is a different topic) in its lifespan so by eating a cow a person would

be

causing more plants to die than if they ate a vegetarian diet. By eating

lower on the food chain, by choosing a vegetarian/vegan diet, you are

greatly

reducing the number of plants and animals that need to be killed.

 

 

Hope this helps,

Jason

 

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re: plant's feel pain argument against vegetarianism

 

I like to ask such people if they are in favor of laws prohibiting cruelty

to plants. And if they aren't in favor of laws prohibiting cruelty to dogs

and cats, then what point is there talking to them?

 

Jack

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Rahul,

Also I would say, eating just fruits, stem, leaves (or

portions of the trees) will not kill them. We let them

live and eat the products from them.

 

We can always proudly say that " We don't kill animals

just for our existence in the Earth "

 

Gana

 

 

 

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