Do Plants have feelings / 13 Q&A's about the Ethics of Veg*n Diet

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

Around mid-January, someone posed a similar question to Rahul's.

My original response was to excerpt & recommend an article by Karen

Davis of United Poultry Concerns.

 

===

What about plants? Don't plants have feelings too?

 

It is very possible that plants have sensitivities that we do not yet

understand. Because plants do not have nervous systems and cannot run

away from predators, it has generally been assumed that they do not

experience pain and suffering. Recent scientific evidence suggests

that this assumption may be incorrect. However, we do know that birds

and other nonhuman vertebrates have well- developed nervous systems

and pain receptors the same as humans. Like us, they show pleasure

and pain and they present comparable evidence of fear and well-being.

Animals cry out in pain, they nurse wounded body parts, and they seek

to avoid those who have hurt them in the past.

 

In order to live, one has to eat. However, when we eat animal

products, we consume many more plants indirectly than if we ate those

plants directly, because the animals we eat are fed huge quantities

of grasses, grains, and seeds to be converted into meat, milk, and

eggs. As a vegan (one who eats no animal products) you cause fewer

beings to suffer and die for you.

 

===

 

 

 

" Responding Effectively to 13 Frequently Asked Questions About

Food, Fiber, Farm Animals, and the Ethics of Diet "

 

article: http://www.upc-online.org/ethics_questions.html

 

 

My original reply is archived here:

SFBAVeg/message/3494

 

As I recall, there were more replies if anyone wants to read back in

the archives for them. Just browse mid-Jan or around message # 3494.

 

Cheers,

Tammy

[Guest guest]

I believe plants can " feel " . They may not be able to comprehend

things equivalent to humans, such as thinking and

interpreting " emotion " , but there have been studies that show they

recognize beings and can " quiver " (give off a measurable wave of

energy) as representing an emotion of fear or comfort. They do not

have a nervous system, so their " feelings " are more etheric in nature.

 

Vegans don't despair!

According to the Findhorn Garden (an organization in Europe), plants

have feelings, can communicate, and also " give permission " to be

eaten for the sustainability of human/animal and the cycle of life.

A book that explains this all is, " The Findhorn Garden

Pioneering a new vision of humanity and nature in cooperation "

By The Findhorn Community

http://www.findhorn.org/

Apparently plants give spiritual guidance to humans... as they know

we are the creators and protectors of the Earth.

 

That was just some food for thought! (no pun intended)

Heather

 

SFBAVeg , " generationvegan " <govegan@g...>

wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> Around mid-January, someone posed a similar question to Rahul's.

> My original response was to excerpt & recommend an article by Karen

> Davis of United Poultry Concerns.

>

> ===

> What about plants? Don't plants have feelings too?

>

> It is very possible that plants have sensitivities that we do not

yet

> understand. Because plants do not have nervous systems and cannot

run

> away from predators, it has generally been assumed that they do not

> experience pain and suffering. Recent scientific evidence suggests

> that this assumption may be incorrect. However, we do know that

birds

> and other nonhuman vertebrates have well- developed nervous systems

> and pain receptors the same as humans. Like us, they show pleasure

> and pain and they present comparable evidence of fear and well-

being.

> Animals cry out in pain, they nurse wounded body parts, and they

seek

> to avoid those who have hurt them in the past.

>

> In order to live, one has to eat. However, when we eat animal

> products, we consume many more plants indirectly than if we ate

those

> plants directly, because the animals we eat are fed huge quantities

> of grasses, grains, and seeds to be converted into meat, milk, and

> eggs. As a vegan (one who eats no animal products) you cause fewer

> beings to suffer and die for you.

>

> ===

>

>

>

> " Responding Effectively to 13 Frequently Asked Questions About

> Food, Fiber, Farm Animals, and the Ethics of Diet "

>

> article: http://www.upc-online.org/ethics_questions.html

>

>

> My original reply is archived here:

> SFBAVeg/message/3494

>

> As I recall, there were more replies if anyone wants to read back

in

> the archives for them. Just browse mid-Jan or around message # 3494.

>

> Cheers,

> Tammy

[Guest guest]

>Apparently plants give spiritual guidance to humans... as they know

we are the creators and protectors of the Earth.

 

 

Let me get this straight...

Plants (organisms without brain/intellect) have a mechanism for

knowledge.

Right...

 

 

 

-

Heather in SouthBay <sbactivist

Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:44 pm

[sFBAVeg] Re: Do Plants have feelings / 13 Q & A's about the

Ethics of Veg*n Diet

 

> <span><p><span><p>

>

>

> <tt>

> I believe plants can & quot;feel & quot;. They may not be able to

> comprehend

>

> things equivalent to humans, such as thinking and

>

> interpreting & quot;emotion & quot;, but there have been studies that

> show they

>

> recognize beings and can & quot;quiver & quot; (give off a measurable

> wave of

>

> energy) as representing an emotion of fear or comfort. They do not

>

> have a nervous system, so their & quot;feelings & quot; are more

> etheric in nature.

>

>

>

> Vegans don't despair!

>

> According to the Findhorn Garden (an organization in Europe),

> plants

>

> have feelings, can communicate, and also & quot;give

> permission & quot; to be

>

> eaten for the sustainability of human/animal and the cycle of life.

>

> A book that explains this all is, & quot;The Findhorn Garden

>

> Pioneering a new vision of humanity and nature in cooperation & quot;

>

> By The Findhorn Community

>

> http://www.findhorn.org/

>

> Apparently plants give spiritual guidance to humans... as they

> know

>

> we are the creators and protectors of the Earth.

>

>

>

> That was just some food for thought! (no pun intended)

>

> Heather

>

>

>

> SFBAVeg , & quot;generationvegan & quot;

> <govegan@g... & gt;

>

> wrote:

>

> & gt; Hi all,

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt; Around mid-January, someone posed a similar question to

> Rahul's.

>

> & gt; My original response was to excerpt & amp; recommend an

> article by Karen

>

> & gt; Davis of United Poultry Concerns.

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt; ===

>

> & gt; What about plants? Don't plants have feelings too?

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt; It is very possible that plants have sensitivities that we do

> not

>

> yet

>

> & gt; understand. Because plants do not have nervous systems and

> cannot

>

> run

>

> & gt; away from predators, it has generally been assumed that they

> do not

>

> & gt; experience pain and suffering. Recent scientific evidence

> suggests

>

> & gt; that this assumption may be incorrect. However, we do know

> that

>

> birds

>

> & gt; and other nonhuman vertebrates have well- developed nervous

> systems

>

> & gt; and pain receptors the same as humans. Like us, they show

> pleasure

>

> & gt; and pain and they present comparable evidence of fear and

> well-

>

> being.

>

> & gt; Animals cry out in pain, they nurse wounded body parts, and

> they

>

> seek

>

> & gt; to avoid those who have hurt them in the past.

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt; In order to live, one has to eat. However, when we eat animal

>

> & gt; products, we consume many more plants indirectly than if we

> ate

>

> those

>

> & gt; plants directly, because the animals we eat are fed huge

> quantities

>

> & gt; of grasses, grains, and seeds to be converted into meat,

> milk, and

>

> & gt; eggs. As a vegan (one who eats no animal products) you cause

> fewer

>

> & gt; beings to suffer and die for you.

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt; ===

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt; & quot;Responding Effectively to 13 Frequently Asked Questions

> About

> & gt; Food, Fiber, Farm Animals, and the Ethics of Diet & quot;

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt; article: http://www.upc-online.org/ethics_questions.html

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt; My original reply is archived here:

>

> & gt; SFBAVeg/message/3494

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt; As I recall, there were more replies if anyone wants to read

> back

>

> in

>

> & gt; the archives for them. Just browse mid-Jan or around message

> # 3494.

>

> & gt;

>

> & gt; Cheers,

>

> & gt; Tammy

>

>

>

> </tt>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I think, if you bother to read the book, it says the Creator speaks through the

plants. But I said " apparently " because I haven't finished the book myself.

Thanks for your sarcastic close-minded comment.

Heather

 

Steve <Classxteve wrote:>Apparently plants give spiritual guidance

to humans... as they know

we are the creators and protectors of the Earth.

 

 

Let me get this straight...

Plants (organisms without brain/intellect) have a mechanism for

knowledge.

Right...

 

 

 

-

Heather in SouthBay

Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:44 pm

[sFBAVeg] Re: Do Plants have feelings / 13 Q & A's about the

Ethics of Veg*n Diet

 

>

 

 

>

>

>

> I believe plants can " feel " . They may not be able to

> comprehend

>

> things equivalent to humans, such as thinking and

>

> interpreting " emotion " , but there have been studies that

> show they

>

> recognize beings and can " quiver " (give off a measurable

> wave of

>

> energy) as representing an emotion of fear or comfort. They do not

>

> have a nervous system, so their " feelings " are more

> etheric in nature.

>

>

>

> Vegans don't despair!

>

> According to the Findhorn Garden (an organization in Europe),

> plants

>

> have feelings, can communicate, and also " give

> permission " to be

>

> eaten for the sustainability of human/animal and the cycle of life.

>

> A book that explains this all is, " The Findhorn Garden

>

> Pioneering a new vision of humanity and nature in cooperation "

>

> By The Findhorn Community

>

> http://www.findhorn.org/

>

> Apparently plants give spiritual guidance to humans... as they

> know

>

> we are the creators and protectors of the Earth.

>

>

>

> That was just some food for thought! (no pun intended)

>

> Heather

>

>

>

> SFBAVeg , " generationvegan "

> >

> wrote:

>

> > Hi all,

>

> >

>

> > Around mid-January, someone posed a similar question to

> Rahul's.

>

> > My original response was to excerpt & recommend an

> article by Karen

>

> > Davis of United Poultry Concerns.

>

> >

>

> > ===

>

> > What about plants? Don't plants have feelings too?

>

> >

>

> > It is very possible that plants have sensitivities that we do

> not

>

> yet

>

> > understand. Because plants do not have nervous systems and

> cannot

>

> run

>

> > away from predators, it has generally been assumed that they

> do not

>

> > experience pain and suffering. Recent scientific evidence

> suggests

>

> > that this assumption may be incorrect. However, we do know

> that

>

> birds

>

> > and other nonhuman vertebrates have well- developed nervous

> systems

>

> > and pain receptors the same as humans. Like us, they show

> pleasure

>

> > and pain and they present comparable evidence of fear and

> well-

>

> being.

>

> > Animals cry out in pain, they nurse wounded body parts, and

> they

>

> seek

>

> > to avoid those who have hurt them in the past.

>

> >

>

> > In order to live, one has to eat. However, when we eat animal

>

> > products, we consume many more plants indirectly than if we

> ate

>

> those

>

> > plants directly, because the animals we eat are fed huge

> quantities

>

> > of grasses, grains, and seeds to be converted into meat,

> milk, and

>

> > eggs. As a vegan (one who eats no animal products) you cause

> fewer

>

> > beings to suffer and die for you.

>

> >

>

> > ===

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > " Responding Effectively to 13 Frequently Asked Questions

> About

> > Food, Fiber, Farm Animals, and the Ethics of Diet "

>

> >

>

> > article: http://www.upc-online.org/ethics_questions.html

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > My original reply is archived here:

>

> > SFBAVeg/message/3494

>

> >

>

> > As I recall, there were more replies if anyone wants to read

> back

>

> in

>

> > the archives for them. Just browse mid-Jan or around message

> # 3494.

>

> >

>

> > Cheers,

>

> > Tammy

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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