Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 Hi, Clearly RAID poison traps and smooshing them with my fingers isn't the appropriate way to have respect for the lives of these admirable and industrious creatures and drawing chalk lines around my kitchen isn't practical. I read somewhere that ants won't cross chalk lines. So what is the proper vegan response to an ant infestation? a pet ant-eater? Thanks, Matthew Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 You don't need to draw the chalk lines all around the kitchen. The key is finding where the ants are coming in, then you only need to draw a line around that area and they stop coming in. I'm a huge advocate of " miraculous insecticide chalk " that costs about $1 and comes from a Chinese herbal shop. I usually get mine in downtown Mountain View. I have used it many times and introduced it to many people, who now swear by it. The downside is that some ants are killed at first when they go up to the line, but after they realize they cannot cross the line, then they send the message back to their friends and they stop coming. It is very non-invasive, cheap and easy. you have no idea how many friends I have had who had huge, long standing, seemingly terminal ant problems that were cleared up in about 30 minutes with that chalk -- never to have a problem again. Susan Matthew Levine [straycat000] Sunday, April 13, 2003 9:37 PM [sFBAVeg] vegan response to an ant problem? Hi, Clearly RAID poison traps and smooshing them with my fingers isn't the appropriate way to have respect for the lives of these admirable and industrious creatures and drawing chalk lines around my kitchen isn't practical. I read somewhere that ants won't cross chalk lines. So what is the proper vegan response to an ant infestation? a pet ant-eater? Thanks, Matthew Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Bay Area Vegetarians is a community group for veggies to network & find support. Free membership and lots of free events :-) See below links for more veggie info.... *Next Vegan Food Party -- 5/3! See SFBAVeg Event Calendar www.generationv.org/events.htm *New Events Only Mailing List! SFBAVeg-Events *Vote for future event locations! SFBAVeg/polls *Got Questions? We got answers! www.generationv.org/faq.htm *SFBAVeg Charter: www.generationv.org/charter.htm *FREE vegan info kit: www.veganoutreach.org/starterpack/free-vsp.html *Online discussion forum with threaded messages http://www.generationv.org/forum/ *Be Active for Animals! See www.freedom4animals.org/events.html Tell your friends to Be-A-Veg with SFBAVeg! http://www.generationv.org/join.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 On 04/13/03, Matthew Levine <straycat000 wrote: > Clearly RAID poison traps and smooshing them with my > fingers isn't the appropriate way to have respect for > the lives of these admirable and industrious creatures > and drawing chalk lines around my kitchen isn't > practical. I read somewhere that ants won't cross > chalk lines. So what is the proper vegan response to > an ant infestation? a pet ant-eater? during my last ant infestation this winter, i tried everything, from cinnamon, to hiding the cat's food, to keeping the house really clean so there would be nothing for them, to washing away and blocking their ant trails. i assure you that such folk remedies, while worth trying, do not work. ants are determined critters, and their goal is to invade your warm, dry home and eat whatever they can find. i used grant's ant traps (these are available at rainbow). they use no poisons - the traps contain sweet sugary goop and borax, a naturally occuring soap. when you open the traps, the ants become attracted to the sugary goop, and carry it back to the nest. when the queen feeds on the borax, she (and all her workers) will die. the reason i like this approach is because (1) it uses no dangerous chemicals, (2) the ants actually kill themselves through their own greed, thus it's completely passive, and (3) it's effective. after a solid month of ants invading, eating my food and all of the cat's food, i cleared up my ant problem in 24 hours. now, you may say, steve, you're a horrible vegan for killing all the ants. on the other hand, i believe that self-defense is vegan, as long as it is just and appropriate. imagine if you walked into a bear's cave or put your hand in a beehive. there are concequences in nature to invading the home and threatening the food supply of other animals. so, my recommendation to you is: first, try the folk remedies. if you can block them or get them to go away on their own without killing them, you win! it's only fair that you respect the invading creatures, and give them an opportunity to leave peacefully. but, if they don't pay you the same respect in return, and if you're at the point where you're throwing away bags of infested food everyday, grant's ant traps should be your next step. -- steve simitzis : /sim' - i - jees/ pala : saturn5 productions www.steve.org : 415.282.9979 hath the daemon spawn no fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Greetings, From one Steve to another, thank you. I myself am struggling with a lot of this not killing the yeast and such. I do not kill animals for food, to wear, sell, or exploit in any way. My conscience would let me have it if I did. I understand... about do not move to extinguish, harm or cause disturbance to life in general. I am vegan, this is not alien to me. When these little pests invade my home, such as they are now, I do feel a need to defend myself and divert the attack. If I do not keep a clean household and get sick, then what? You put it eloquently and I am receiving and accepting your submission. Thank you again, from myself, if no one else. S > > > src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/sl/sleepangel/sleep_300x250.gi f " alt= " " width= " 300 " height= " 250 " border= " 0 " ></td></tr><tr><td><img alt= " " width=1 height=1 src= " http://us.adserver./l? M=249982.3083889.4452939.1728375/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=6023 65655 " ></td></tr></table><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> > > <tt> > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: > > Bay Area Vegetarians is a community group for veggies to network > & amp; find support. Free > > membership and lots of free events :-) See below links for more > veggie info.... > > > > *Next Vegan Food Party -- 5/3! See SFBAVeg Event Calendar > www.generationv.org/events.htm > *New Events Only Mailing List! > SFBAVeg-Events > > *Vote for future event locations! > SFBAVeg/polls > *Got Questions? We got answers! www.generationv.org/faq.htm > > *SFBAVeg Charter: www.generationv.org/charter.htm > > *FREE vegan info kit: www.veganoutreach.org/starterpack/free-vsp.html > > *Online discussion forum with threaded messages > http://www.generationv.org/forum/ > *Be Active for Animals! See www.freedom4animals.org/events.html > > > > Tell your friends to Be-A-Veg with SFBAVeg! > > http://www.generationv.org/join.htm > > > > > > </tt<tt> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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