Digest Number 561

[Guest guest]

I so much wanted to catch the Genesis Awards, but I was about 2 hours late. I

thought it was at 3:00 pm today (Sunday). I'm so bummed. Did anybody tape it by

chance and if so, is there anyway that I could get a copy? I know it's a tall

order. I'll gladly pay for the tape, the postage and a small handling fee.

 

Looking forward to a response. It would be a nice addition to our EarthSave

video library. We could even play it on our video and game night. Just a

reminder, we have it once a month (typically the 1st Saturday of the month). If

there is interest in learning more about this event and others, please write

back with your e-mail address and we'll add you to our e-newsletter service.

 

Our next potluck with be an outdoor picnic held on June 1st in beautiful Marin

County. Please look for more details in the future, but put it in your calendar

today. It's going to be tons of fun and obviously the more the merrier!

 

Thanks, Syndee

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 1 May 2003, Brian Jensen wrote:

 

> I've always thought that cats are the most ironic pet that a vegetarian can

> have. They are, after all, natural born killers. Yes folks, there is a

> reason that they have their alimentary tract, razor sharp teeth, and

> retractile sharp claws. They are hunters by nature.

 

 

not to further belabor an issue i'm relatively certain there are a myriad of

views on; i do, however, feel it's important for me to additionally assert to

the dialogue the notion that there are also those of us who don't perceive our

nonhumyn friends as 'pets.' i happen to live with 2 feline friends/beloveds. one

of these beings has been in my life for 14 years (9 years before i transitioned

to veganism), and the other, who's been in our lives for 2 years now, i

initially took in as a foster-kitty because she was going to be euthanized if

left at the shelter any longer. are felines naturally carnivores? yes. does this

mean that the pursuit to discover other means of satisfying their dietary needs

is unsuitable? i don't feel that it is. i currently feed my girls a diet

inclusive of animal-derived nutrients, but do so only because i'm a (monetarily)

'poor' student who hasn't done enough research to make another diet accessible

just yet. i also don't feel that this is vegan, though i do strive to maintain

the vegan ideal in every other respect. additionally, the thought of sending

them out to inflict damage on a myriad of other creatures so that they may live

(even though i soooo LOVE them!) makes me very, very sad. cats don't normally

kill their 'prey' right away or even, sometimes, at all. i volunteer for a

native animal rescue group; many creatures wind up with us because of cats. i

love my girls, but i also understand that some of their appreciations/behaviors

are more harmful than is any longer necessary given their current domestic

context. not a black & white issue, of course, but i also feel that it does more

harm sometimes to promote that which we deem 'natural' (sometimes more

arbitrarily than we may realize) rather than to understand that 'nature' is a

symbiotic process, of which we are a part. this is why i'm vegan. perhaps it

isn't deemed 'natural' by a majority, but it's a potentiality that i feel more

aptly dances with love and appreciation for the luxury of existing. i don't aim

to control other beings' behaviors unduly, but if i can impact a process in a

non-harmful way that further leads to non-harm, i will do so.

 

i want to also say that, regardless of differing views/opinions, i think that

each of you is an amazing, beautiful being for whatever action(s) you take with

reference to veganism...

 

amanda

 

 

 

 

The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that info on crisps, I shall be tucking in then, perhaps.

How do we know what the 'Flavours' are in all these different flavours? It's

just I don't trust most companies as they are very secretive about their all

important flavourings. What was the source of this info?

 

Cheers people,

 

Rowan McCartney

[Guest guest]

> It's just I don't trust most companies as they are very secretive

> about their all important flavourings.

 

Well you either trust them or you only buy from solely vegan companies.

And many chose to boycott Walkers because they are owned by Pespico.

 

> What was the source of this info?

 

Vegan Society Animal Free Shopper update, (which is itself only based

on trusting the manufacturer) which can be found at:

 

http://www.vegansociety.com/phpwsphatfile/AFSUpdate.pdf

 

I have since discovered that a more up to date list of suitable Walker

products can be found on their own site at:

 

http://walkers.corpex.com/cr15p5/diets.asp?dietcode=E

 

Interestingly they do give contact information for the Vegan Society on

their site. Considering they list vegan suitability as well as for

vegetarians and coelics on the site it is surprising they have chosen

not to include that information on their new packaging.

 

Michael

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the not milk stuff - very interesting!

 

Also hello to all the newbies. My name's Laura, I'm 23 and I'm a vegan. I live

in the UK and I'm a teacher (of little ones). I'm kept pretty busy with that

but try to post regularly. Welcome to the group!

 

 

~* Laura *~

Reading-Fairy

 

Set your books free!

http://bookcrossing.com/friend/Reading-Fairy

Still a Vegan Vixen!

 

Currently Reading: HP and the Goblet of Fire

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> Thanks for the not milk stuff - very interesting!

 

I'd like to add a bit of a disclaimer to the NotMilk stuff.

 

:=) The NotMilk stuff is a mite problematical for me, small-p politically

speaking. That's because this is of course a vegetarian not just vegan.

Because it is a veggie list, it seems that my posting or x-posting a bunch of

anti-dairy stuff is pushing a vegan line, which is not what the

lacto-vegetarians

expected or, I imagine, wanted when they joined a vegetarian list ;=) Otoh, we

are concerned with health - inasmuch as it relates to vegetarianism - and with

slimming/weightloss (again as it relates to vegetarianism). Animal fat is known

to be bad for health and for weightloss, so . . . LOL Additionally, there are a

whole other bunch of problems surrounding dairy - and the NotMilk bulletins

usually point those out clearly.

 

This latest NotMilk newsletter re calcium and magnesium was interesting. I

thought I read labels pretty carefully, but I learned something there. Cohen

seems to be careful (citing sources of info/research) and caring in what he

says - bearing in mind, of course, that he always comes back to soy for

sources of, say, calcium, and that he markets a soymilk-making gizmo. Pretty

tough on members who are allergic to soy, of course :=(

 

So I figure this: I mark all the NotMilk bulletins that I bother to send on *in

the

subject line* so that they can be skipped by those who don't want to read and

those who have already heard. Meanwhile, I counsel caution and moderation

in all things. For myself, I make dairy a verrrrrry occasional thing - for all

the

good reasons that Cohen mentions plus a few of my own ;=)

 

Okay, gang, long explanation over. How's your Sunday morning???

 

Best,

 

Pat ;=)