Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 i would like to point out that the pro-meat " community " is very interested in the results of this study. i first read about his work on beyondveg.com, of all places, a website that promotes a meat-centric paleolithic diet by presenting pseudo-scientific theories in order to " transcend vegetarian dogma " . their idea is that most vegetarians are in various phases of what they call " failure to thrive " (a term normally reserved for malnourished infants), and they expect that his study will prove them right. so, for better or for worse, your participation in this study could be a part of something larger. On 05/05/03, sunny outdoors <sunny_outdoors wrote: > > Michael Klaper, MD, author of Vegan Nutrition, Pure & Simple > and Pregnancy, Children & the Vegan Diet, thru his non-profit > organization Institute for Nutrition Education & Research, > is creating the first full blown study on vegan diet. Omnivores > are welcome as well. He wants to study what goes on as a > person transitions to a plant-based diet, as well as why > some people do better than others. There are the obvious > guesses, but this will document the stats. Please read more > about it & then sign up to be a part of it! Your answers > will be anonymous, of course. I hope you will participate > in this important undertaking. Thanks! --marr > Dr Klaper's site: > http://www.vegsource.com/klaper > Site for the study: > http://www.veganhealthstudy.org/ > Premise of the study: > http://www.vegsource.com/klaper/study.htm > More detail on the study: > http://www.vegsource.com/klaper/vegan_study.htm > Ins & outs of participating in the study: > http://www.vegsource.com/klaper/participate.htm > Sign up form: > http://www.vegsource.com/klaper/request_form.htm > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Ms. Marr Nealon > Respect for Life productions > 818-509-1255 marr > > > signature: FAQ on vegetarian resources > > SFBAVeg/ > http://www.vegdining.com > http://www.sfvs.org > Living Foods: SFLivingFoods/ > due to my high amount of emails, I am unable to answer everyone's emails on vegetarian questions. > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 About the Beyond Veg site... Even though BeyondVeg.com is not a stricly pro-vegan site (nor an anti-vegan site), I happen to think it's an excellent resource for scientific information. Because of a mutual interest in science and vegetarianism, I have become friends with the webmaster, Tom Billings. He provides help with research leads in my (not his) efforts to promote vegetarianism. I would say that Tom is seeking truth versus propaganda. Rather than address the criticisms posted here myself, I passed on the criticisms to Tom to let him respond. Below is what he had to say. I am looking forward to the results of Klaper's study. I hope that it will provide a lot of valuable information that will help the people who try a vegan diet and do not feel satisfied or healthy. Jack Norris, RD, Vegan Outreach 916/375-0014 jacknorris http://veganoutreach.org > i would like to point out that the pro-meat " community " is very > interested in the results of this study. i first read about his work > on beyondveg.com, of all places, a website that promotes a > meat-centric paleolithic diet by presenting pseudo-scientific theories > in order to " transcend vegetarian dogma " . I have learned that it is a waste of time to argue with " true believers " , hence my remarks here are aimed at those who are not believers, but are instead objective and rational. 1. Beyond Veg is an information site, not an advocacy site. There is no " Beyond Veg diet " . The site writers have a variety of diets, ranging from raw vegan to paleo/instincto. (And, by the way, Paleo is not one diet but a range of diets.) 2. A number of the articles on Beyond Veg are currently being used as source material in: Universities, Community Colleges, and High Schools. I have provided information to numerous researchers, and the site is held in high regard in the academic community. 3. The science-based material on the site includes references, which we actively invite you to check. You will find that we are accurately and honestly citing the scientific literature. On the other hand, if you do this exercise with (enough of) the references cited by those who charge us with " pseudo-science " , you will instead find that our loudest critics often engage in distortion and misrepresentation of the literature. 4. Speaking of distortion and misrepresentation, many of the criticisms made of the site are distortions and misrepresentations of our positions. The worst example: one pro-veg writer compared a HUMOR article from our site to a pro-veg science article elsewhere, to argue that Beyond Veg was unscientific. Talk about intellectual dishonesty! If you read an essay on a website attacking Beyond Veg (or me personally), consider the source -- yes, there are attack articles, but none from a credible source. > vegetarians are in various phases of what they call " failure to > thrive " (a term normally reserved for malnourished infants), and they > expect that his study will prove them right. FTT is very real; long-term veggies are a self-selected example. One must be cautious in extrapolating from a self-selected sample. This limitation should be readily evident to those with a science background. Tom Billings http://www.beyondveg.com Berkeley, California Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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