Can we just have this list be for vegetarian issues?

[Guest guest]

In response to the below member, and out of respect for the writers

concerns, I offer my group bitebackvegan for just such dialogue

and welcome it. While I agree with the below members concerns, and I know that

the bi laws of this list are to be " just vegetarian events and AR issues

pertaining to events locally " , I do disagree that this form of dialogue is " the

complete opposite of the spirit of vegetarianism " . I in fact encourage more of

the same from all vegetarians and AR activists and frankly, would hope that we

are all both!

This is an immensely important topic and very welcome at BBVS...in my opinion,

it is part of the healing (from years of meat eating and incorrect health

propoganda stuffed down our throats, pardon the pun..) for all of us...

I have copied here the BBVS Group address in the C/C line for easy reply if

anyone wishes to continue. Just please delete the before

doing so.

Above their screams,

Paris-Group Moderator

Bite Back Vegan Society

 

 

 

brocade2002 <SocialScientist wrote:

I'm a member of the SF Veg Society, so I to this list.

Recently, there have been huge number of postings about the subject

of violence. I'm a vegetarian because I don't like violence to

animals. That point is negated if it's expressed in violence.

 

At any rate, obviously other people have different points of view.

I'd like to suggest that there be a separate list for those who want

to discuss political issues. Keep this list for SF Vegetarian

Society events.

 

If you continue this diatribe and discussion, which I consider the

complete opposite of the spirit of vegetarianism, I shall lose

respect for the SF Veg Society and stop my support.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

According to the email I received when I joined this group, the

guidelines do not limit discussion to just group events or vegetarianism.

They " encourage friendly discussions... pertaining to... animal rights. "

The issue of nonviolent direct action certainly fits within that rubric. I

don't think anyone has been unfriendly or abrassive in their defense of

their beliefs.

 

The society also " promote mutual respect to other peoples' ideas. " While

you are more than welcome to passionately disagree with direct action, I

find it disrespectful to want to silence discourse and debate regarding

animal rights strategies, simply because you find them unpalatable.

If you are simply frustrated with the VOLUME of emails (which is certainly

understandable), you can always change your settings in to

recieve a daily digest. You will receive 1 email per day containing all of

that day's posts. You won't lose out on any info, but will be able to skim

or skip the discussions you don't care for.

Below is the partial text of the " welcome " email for the group. If I

have misinterpreted it, perhaps the moderators might correct me.

-Matthew

" This is a way to connect the friends, supporters and members

of SFVS to the vegetarian community and to those interested on vegetarian

issues and related causes.

You can personalize this to suit your personal requirements not

to send or send you emails, or simply send you daily digest on your set

frequency.

As with any other , we promote mutual respect to other peoples'

ideas and choices. We encourage friendly discussions and information

sharing on issues pertaining to diet, health, animal rights, spirituality,

etc. We believe that our memberships are mature and professional. We do

not allow the use of inappropriate language and these should be reported to

the Moderator.

You can post announcements, important news or research affecting the

community, or personal concerns relevant to the group's focus. "

Quoting Paris Harvey <bitebackvegan:

>

>

>

>

> In response to the below member, and out of respect for the writers

> concerns, I offer my group bitebackvegan for just such

> dialogue and welcome it. While I agree with the below members concerns,

> and I know that the bi laws of this list are to be " just vegetarian

> events and AR issues pertaining to events locally " , I do disagree that

> this form of dialogue is " the complete opposite of the spirit of

> vegetarianism " . I in fact encourage more of the same from all vegetarians

> and AR activists and frankly, would hope that we are all both!

>

> This is an immensely important topic and very welcome at BBVS...in my

> opinion, it is part of the healing (from years of meat eating and

> incorrect health propoganda stuffed down our throats, pardon the pun..)

> for all of us...

>

> I have copied here the BBVS Group address in the C/C line for easy reply

> if anyone wishes to continue. Just please delete the

> before doing so.

>

> Above their screams,

>

> Paris-Group Moderator

>

> Bite Back Vegan Society

>

brocade2002 <SocialScientist wrote:

>

> I'm a member of the SF Veg Society, so I to this list. 

>

> Recently, there have been huge number of postings about the subject

>

> of violence.  I'm a vegetarian because I don't like violence to

>

> animals.  That point is negated if it's expressed in violence. 

>

>

>

> At any rate, obviously other people have different points of view. 

>

> I'd like to suggest that there be a separate list for those who want

>

> to discuss political issues.  Keep this list for SF Vegetarian

>

> Society events. 

>

>

>

> If you continue this diatribe and discussion, which I consider the

>

> complete opposite of the spirit of vegetarianism, I shall lose

>

> respect for the SF Veg Society and stop my support.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am on your side Mathew. I think this dialogue is soo important. My intent was

not meant as disrespectful at all! Nor do I disagree. I want to see more, but I

received an email from the group (and I noticed a CC to you and Pete) asking us

not to continue as I was the one who stated I enjoyed this and felt both you and

Pete had good points to share.

I was merely offering a seperate option to continue the dialogue and hope that

others would join in.

I perhaps misinterpreted this warning from the group. In that case carry on!

 

 

Matthew G Liebman <mliebman wrote:

According to the email I received when I joined this group, the

guidelines do not limit discussion to just group events or vegetarianism.

They " encourage friendly discussions... pertaining to... animal rights. "

The issue of nonviolent direct action certainly fits within that rubric. I

don't think anyone has been unfriendly or abrassive in their defense of

their beliefs.

 

The society also " promote mutual respect to other peoples' ideas. " While

you are more than welcome to passionately disagree with direct action, I

find it disrespectful to want to silence discourse and debate regarding

animal rights strategies, simply because you find them unpalatable.

If you are simply frustrated with the VOLUME of emails (which is certainly

understandable), you can always change your settings in to

recieve a daily digest. You will receive 1 email per day containing all of

that day's posts. You won't lose out on any info, but will be able to skim

or skip the discussions you don't care for.

Below is the partial text of the " welcome " email for the group. If I

have misinterpreted it, perhaps the moderators might correct me.

-Matthew

" This is a way to connect the friends, supporters and members

of SFVS to the vegetarian community and to those interested on vegetarian

issues and related causes.

You can personalize this to suit your personal requirements not

to send or send you emails, or simply send you daily digest on your set

frequency.

As with any other , we promote mutual respect to other peoples'

ideas and choices. We encourage friendly discussions and information

sharing on issues pertaining to diet, health, animal rights, spirituality,

etc. We believe that our memberships are mature and professional. We do

not allow the use of inappropriate language and these should be reported to

the Moderator.

You can post announcements, important news or research affecting the

community, or personal concerns relevant to the group's focus. "

Quoting Paris Harvey :

>

>

>

>

> In response to the below member, and out of respect for the writers

> concerns, I offer my group bitebackvegan for just such

> dialogue and welcome it. While I agree with the below members concerns,

> and I know that the bi laws of this list are to be " just vegetarian

> events and AR issues pertaining to events locally " , I do disagree that

> this form of dialogue is " the complete opposite of the spirit of

> vegetarianism " . I in fact encourage more of the same from all vegetarians

> and AR activists and frankly, would hope that we are all both!

>

> This is an immensely important topic and very welcome at BBVS...in my

> opinion, it is part of the healing (from years of meat eating and

> incorrect health propoganda stuffed down our throats, pardon the pun..)

> for all of us...

>

> I have copied here the BBVS Group address in the C/C line for easy reply

> if anyone wishes to continue. Just please delete the

> before doing so.

>

> Above their screams,

>

> Paris-Group Moderator

>

> Bite Back Vegan Society

>

brocade2002 wrote:

>

> I'm a member of the SF Veg Society, so I to this list.

>

> Recently, there have been huge number of postings about the subject

>

> of violence. I'm a vegetarian because I don't like violence to

>

> animals. That point is negated if it's expressed in violence.

>

>

>

> At any rate, obviously other people have different points of view.

>

> I'd like to suggest that there be a separate list for those who want

>

> to discuss political issues. Keep this list for SF Vegetarian

>

> Society events.

>

>

>

> If you continue this diatribe and discussion, which I consider the

>

> complete opposite of the spirit of vegetarianism, I shall lose

>

> respect for the SF Veg Society and stop my support.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't object to the occasional " political " posting/discussion on this

group, though I prefer that it be primarily for event notices and the like.

I do note with interest, though, that many of the recent political posters

have taken to copying/quoting pages and pages of previous postings in each

of their messages. I consider such behavior rude in the extreme (they don't

have the time to edit their messages, but I am supposed to?), and

immediately scroll past without reading them.

 

I know many people who feel exactly the way I do about such egregious

netiquette. Those who are attempting to sway the opinions of others should

take note.

 

.... Doug

 

 

Days like these come along once in a lifetime.

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

I agree that it is important that there be an e-mail exchange where people can

discuss political issues related to animal rights, such as the use of violence

as part of activism. But I also believe that it is important that there be an

e-mail exchange for people who do not want to take part in these discussions but

do want to learn about / post veg events, such as dinners out, World Vegetarian

Day, Peaceable Kingdom, etc. I am relatively new to the San Francisco

Vegetarian Society, but my understanding (I may be wrong) is that this group /

e-mail list has traditionally been more of the latter, less political type. If

that is the case, and because we have now learned about

bitebackvegan , I think it wouldn't be a bad idea if we

discontinued the more intense political discussions here and moved them to

biteback. I'm not sure whether the rules require this -- although to me,

some of the e-mails have gone beyond " friendly " (e-mails often sound different

than we

mean them, I know) -- but whether the political discussions are technically

allowed here, I think it would be useful for the vegetarian / animal rights

community to ensure that both forums are available. Perhaps every few months,

someone could post an e-mail here just letting folks on know that there is

the biteback option for people who want that type of discussion as well.

Sincerely,

Thea

 

Matthew G Liebman <mliebman wrote:

According to the email I received when I joined this group, the

guidelines do not limit discussion to just group events or vegetarianism.

They " encourage friendly discussions... pertaining to... animal rights. "

The issue of nonviolent direct action certainly fits within that rubric. I

don't think anyone has been unfriendly or abrassive in their defense of

their beliefs.

 

The society also " promote mutual respect to other peoples' ideas. " While

you are more than welcome to passionately disagree with direct action, I

find it disrespectful to want to silence discourse and debate regarding

animal rights strategies, simply because you find them unpalatable.

If you are simply frustrated with the VOLUME of emails (which is certainly

understandable), you can always change your settings in to

recieve a daily digest. You will receive 1 email per day containing all of

that day's posts. You won't lose out on any info, but will be able to skim

or skip the discussions you don't care for.

Below is the partial text of the " welcome " email for the group. If I

have misinterpreted it, perhaps the moderators might correct me.

-Matthew

" This is a way to connect the friends, supporters and members

of SFVS to the vegetarian community and to those interested on vegetarian

issues and related causes.

You can personalize this to suit your personal requirements not

to send or send you emails, or simply send you daily digest on your set

frequency.

As with any other , we promote mutual respect to other peoples'

ideas and choices. We encourage friendly discussions and information

sharing on issues pertaining to diet, health, animal rights, spirituality,

etc. We believe that our memberships are mature and professional. We do

not allow the use of inappropriate language and these should be reported to

the Moderator.

You can post announcements, important news or research affecting the

community, or personal concerns relevant to the group's focus. "

Quoting Paris Harvey <bitebackvegan:

>

>

>

>

> In response to the below member, and out of respect for the writers

> concerns, I offer my group bitebackvegan for just such

> dialogue and welcome it. While I agree with the below members concerns,

> and I know that the bi laws of this list are to be " just vegetarian

> events and AR issues pertaining to events locally " , I do disagree that

> this form of dialogue is " the complete opposite of the spirit of

> vegetarianism " . I in fact encourage more of the same from all vegetarians

> and AR activists and frankly, would hope that we are all both!

>

> This is an immensely important topic and very welcome at BBVS...in my

> opinion, it is part of the healing (from years of meat eating and

> incorrect health propoganda stuffed down our throats, pardon the pun..)

> for all of us...

>

> I have copied here the BBVS Group address in the C/C line for easy reply

> if anyone wishes to continue. Just please delete the

> before doing so.

>

> Above their screams,

>

> Paris-Group Moderator

>

> Bite Back Vegan Society

>

brocade2002 <SocialScientist wrote:

>

> I'm a member of the SF Veg Society, so I to this list.

>

> Recently, there have been huge number of postings about the subject

>

> of violence. I'm a vegetarian because I don't like violence to

>

> animals. That point is negated if it's expressed in violence.

>

>

>

> At any rate, obviously other people have different points of view.

>

> I'd like to suggest that there be a separate list for those who want

>

> to discuss political issues. Keep this list for SF Vegetarian

>

> Society events.

>

>

>

> If you continue this diatribe and discussion, which I consider the

>

> complete opposite of the spirit of vegetarianism, I shall lose

>

> respect for the SF Veg Society and stop my support.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I regret that one or two folks are displeased by the discussion that's been

going on, especially as I'm the one who started it. I did so because I believe

that the tactics that animal rights supporters choose will determine whether we

win or lose the fight for vegetarianism and animal rights. Thus, it cuts right

to the heart of the reason that so many of us are veggies. I understand that

some of you disagree. That's OK.

 

But please understand that the SF Veggie Society is not responsible for the

opinions expressed on this listserve by individuals like myself. The Society

operates the listserve as a bulletin board for members, who express their own

opinions. I hope that nobody will hold the Society responsible for posts over

which it has no control and with which it might not agree.

 

Please also understand that posts to have never been limited to events

notices. has always welcomed posts related to the interests of a diverse

group of vegetarians and vegans. The way to deal with posts that are not of

interest to you is to simply delete them.

 

For those of you who might not know, the SF Vegetarian Society has a separate

e-mail list limited to events and other special notices from the society. If

you would prefer to be on that list, please notify jcadiz2002 and I'm

sure that JC will be pleased to assist you.