Guest guest Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 care for your soil. do not add fertilizer http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/04/10/18587578.php yarrow April 10, 2009 11:44:45 PM PDT " vampexorcized " <vampexorcized, Southbayveggies Re: [southBayVeggies] Organic or not organic As with most either/or choices, the true answer is neither. Neither the organic ferts you list, nor the chemical ferts, are a good choice. Look up " veganic gardening " or see the book Growing green : animal-free organic techniques / by Jenny Hall and Iain Tolhurst. If you need a fertilizer, the best choice is compost. Second choice is a seed meal, such as soybean meal. If you want to burn money, some manufacturers of organic ferts offer a " vegan blend " . The long answer is to take care of the soil biology. I went to a talk this week by J. Lowenfels, the author of Teaming with Microbes, which is about soil ecology. If you haven't come across this information on *why* organic gardeners say " feed the soil not the plants, " and why to avoid chemical fertilizers and pesticides and rototilling, here's a very brief summary. For details, see the book. As Lowenfels described this elegant system, 60 to 70 percent of a plant's energy goes to producing exudates that it drips out through its roots to attract bacteria and fungi, who in turn attract nematodes and protozoa to the root zone. To get carbon, the protozoa eat bacteria, and the nematodes eat bacteria, fungi, and other nematodes, and poop out the rest, which feeds the roots. The plant can change the exudates it produces if it wants different foods! That's because different exudates will attract different bacteria, fungi, nematodes, and protozoa. The huge diversity of soil biota helps the good guys keep the bad guys in check. A common way to destroy the microbiology in the soil is to add salts (nonorganic fertilizers). The salts kill the bacteria and fungi by dehydrating them, with the result that the plant can no longer feed itself and becomes dependent on its fert fix. In addition, without bacteria and fungi, the other parts of the food chain start dying off as well. The soil food web is also responsible for soil structure. Bacteria create slime that glues soil particles together, and fungi weave threads to create larger soil aggregates. Larger fauna in the soil, such as mites and earthworms, create pathways for air and water. Lowenfels called worms taxicabs for bacteria and fungal spores, distributing them through the soil. To destroy soil structure, the most common methods are rototilling and using pesticides. To bring soil back to life, you can do the following: 1. add a quarter inch of good quality compost 2. use appropriate mulches -- dry leaves for perennials, shrubs, and trees (which prefer the form of nitrogen produced in soils where fungi predominate), or straw/grass clippings for annuals (which prefer the form of nitrogen produced in soils where bacteria predominate) 3. use properly prepared aerated compost tea, made with good quality compost 4. apply mycorrhizal fungi, especially in a new garden that's been rototilled or chemically fertilized. (also, try to avoid walking on the root zone. Lowenfels said palm trees were dying in Hawaii and redwoods were dying in Calif. because tourists were walking all over the root zone, which kills fungi) At 3:33 PM -0700 4/10/09, vampexorcized wrote: Hi, If anyone would offer some understanding, regarding the choice between choosing organic or not organic fertizers. -Organic fertilizer contain : Fish blood Cow blood Chicken blood Human fecal substance Manure And anything else I not listed -non organic: All those chemicals & anything else I not listed One nutritionist I met said there is no difference in " nutrition " from eating organic or not. All your two cents or more or less is appreciated. Thanks for your help, Quan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 There are probably many ecological gardeners on this list with their own interesting ways of making plants grow in a garden. Here are a couple of mine. Waste can make great fertilizer. Don't gag, but urine is a brilliant nitrogen fertilizer - it's great for promoting leafy growth on lettuces and greens. (E.g., if you put it on tomatoes, it may make the leaves grow at the expense of the tomatoes.) It's a good idea to dilute it so as not to burn the plants. The results can be dramatic. It's too acidic on its own, so don't just go take a leak in your garden (although some do, including elderly Hmong gardener grandmas, I am told, as well as some East Bay hippy gardeners, and probably a few other closet gardeners - and these are generally people who really know how to grow things). I keep a jar by the kitchen sink for leftover drinkables, like wine, juice, green water left over from steaming veggies, left over coffee or tea (even with cream and sugar), etc. etc. etc. When the jar is full I use it like fertilizer. I just walk around and pour it on the plants I want to have a little extra kick. Strawberries love this. Dishwater works beautifully, too. Especially icky (veg) dishwater. Left over coffee and tea grounds can be placed directly on soil and watered in. If you are a gardener who juices, take the pulp from the juice (if you are not using it for raw crackers or something), and spread it on a veg bed that is not currently planted. Cover that with some carbonic material like sawdust or bark shavings or straw, and cover with soil, and it will all break down rapidly, composting in place, promoting microorganisms and inviting worms. It is so amazing to think of standard American methods of gardening, still promoted at the garden centers - using all the products and the chemicals, creating garden addicts, killing all the microorganisms to get to the pathogens. What craziness! Building a rich and diverse microorganic community gets better results. Then the plants can rely on their immune systems to protect them from pathogens! Happy gardening. Peace, Jillian Steinberger The Garden Artisan jillian 415.359.3938 (cell) Pictures online: http://picasaweb.google.com/jlaurels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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