Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 I was glad to see the discussion about animal rights v. welfare, because many people decide to become vegetarians or vegans for ethical reasons. The roles of PeTA and HSUS have indeed been both good and not so good. I couldn’t agree more with Cheyenne that the major problem with the welfarist approach is that it acknowledges the property status of animals in exchange for trivial concessions. That is the equivalent of surrendering the war to get back a little land. Gary Francione and Lee Hall are much more representative of the AR movement than Peter Singer and his ilk, in my opinion. I think the answer to why many of us are ambivalent about the big animal-related organizations is that while they may indeed sell out the animals in some instances, they are in other instances strong advocates – and they can get things done because of their size and impact. Without them we would have very little chance to have as much impact on as many people, and eventually it is changing people that will change the way animals are thought of and treated. Shannon, you wrote: “People will always eat meat, wear leather, fur, attend animal " entertainment " events, and there will probably always be experimentation in labs.” I disagree, and in my own work I’ve seen progress in all these areas. Many kinds of research no longer use animals, all but a handful of medical schools have stopped using animals to teach students, cities around the country are banning circuses, cockfighting is illegal in every state except Louisiana, many big designers have eliminated fur from their lines, and so on. I think meat-eating will be the last to go, and it may take meat-related health disasters like the blossoming threats of avian flu, mad cow (which likely is a cause of many cases of Alzheimer disease), and tainted foods for that to occur. If those fighting against slavery, suppression of women, child labor, racist laws, and gay-lesbian rights felt that these things would always be there, where would we be today? It isn’t happening as quickly as we’d like, but it is happening. And the most encouraging aspect may be that each generation is better than the last in the way it views non-human animals. Vegetarianism and animal-friendly behaviors go hand in hand, even if just consequence rather than intent. For me, the clearest and most definitive way to view our relationship with animals is to do just one thing: stop viewing them as property. If you do that, everything else becomes a pretty easy decision. JJP -- Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/730 - Release 3/22/2007 7:44 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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