Protein question

[Guest guest]

Hi Wendy,

 

Let me start off by saying that personally, an M.D. is the *last*

person I would listen to about dietary issues. They get very little,

if any, nutritional training in medical school, and usually don't

have the best recommendations.

 

As far as protein goes, leafy greens are your best bet. If you're

not accustomed to eating them, please let me know and I can give you

a couple of good recipes that I use all the time. I eat a couple of

bunches of them every day, and although I didn't have all of your

symptoms, I can attest to having my depression (very severe) lift and

my energy level has increased tons. Getting protein from animal

sources is hard on your body and not the most efficient method. I

don't have the charts in front of me, but I'll post something later

with vegetable vs. animal protein comparisons.

 

Also, I wouldn't be too concerned about fruit causing hypoglycemia.

When I eat a lot of fruit I do get hungy much more frequently, but

since it digests so quickly when eaten alone on an empty stomach,

that's to be expected. However, if hypoglycemia is an existing issue

for you, it may be a completely different scenario, and asking

someone who actually has it it probably a good idea.

 

I'd also like to suggest finding a doctor (perhaps a D.O.) who is

understanding of your dietary choices.

 

Hope that helps

 

Bridgitte

[Guest guest]

I would love it if you would send them to me (or the list).

 

kristi

 

>

>

> As far as protein goes, leafy greens are your best bet. If you're

> not accustomed to eating them, please let me know and I can give you

> a couple of good recipes that I use all the time.

[Guest guest]

>please let me know and I can give you a couple of good recipes that

>I use all the time. I eat a couple of bunches of them every day

 

I havew a hard time eating enough greens I think. Is there anyway you

could post those recipies? If not, please email them to me also @

mavalkyrie.

 

Thanks

 

Monte

rawfood , " Bridgitte " <syndactylcat> wrote:

> Hi Wendy,

>

> Let me start off by saying that personally, an M.D. is the *last*

> person I would listen to about dietary issues. They get very

little,

> if any, nutritional training in medical school, and usually don't

> have the best recommendations.

>

> As far as protein goes, leafy greens are your best bet. If you're

> not accustomed to eating them, please let me know and I can give

you

> a couple of good recipes that I use all the time. I eat a couple

of

> bunches of them every day, and although I didn't have all of your

> symptoms, I can attest to having my depression (very severe) lift

and

> my energy level has increased tons. Getting protein from animal

> sources is hard on your body and not the most efficient method. I

> don't have the charts in front of me, but I'll post something later

> with vegetable vs. animal protein comparisons.

>

> Also, I wouldn't be too concerned about fruit causing

hypoglycemia.

> When I eat a lot of fruit I do get hungy much more frequently, but

> since it digests so quickly when eaten alone on an empty stomach,

> that's to be expected. However, if hypoglycemia is an existing

issue

> for you, it may be a completely different scenario, and asking

> someone who actually has it it probably a good idea.

>

> I'd also like to suggest finding a doctor (perhaps a D.O.) who is

> understanding of your dietary choices.

>

> Hope that helps

>

> Bridgitte

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie> wrote:

>

> I havew a hard time eating enough greens I think. Is there anyway

you

> could post those recipies?

 

These are the recipes I use. The first one is in Rhio's book " Hooked

on Raw " and the second one I pulled off the internet, so I'm not sure

of the actual source. Both recipes call for specific types of

greens, but any can be subsituted...

 

DOWN HOME GREENS

1 bunch collard greens

1 bunch kale or swill chard

2 tbsp. flax oil

1/4 lemon, juied

3 tbsp unpasteruized apple cider vinegar

1 1/2 tbsp unheated honey (you can use a date or two if honey is an

issue)

1-2 garlic cloved, pressed

1 tsp. ground cumin

1/2 scant tsp. Celtic sea salt

 

1. wash the greens and cut out the rib going almost all the way down

the middle of the leaf

2. lay the greens on on top of the other and then fold in half and

roll the whole bunch into a tight roll (I do 4 or 5 leaves at a time)

3. in a small bowl, mix the rest of the ingredients and blend well (i

used a hand blender)

4. toss the greens with the dressing until they are well coated.

cover and let marinate in teh refrigerator overnight. keeps for 2-3

days in the refrigerator

 

MARINATED GREENS

1 bunch kale

1 bunch spinach

1 red bell pepper

1 yellow bell pepper

olive oil

sea salt

cayenne pepper

1 lemon, juiced

1 " piece of ginger, peeled

1/2 red onion

 

Cut greens (as above), put in large bowl. Pour 3/4 cup olive oil and

lemon juice on greens, mix with hands. Process in food processor

bell peppers, onion, ginger, 1/2 cup olive oil (i think adding more

is excessive), salt and cayenne to taste. Pour over greens, mix well

with hands. Marinate as above.

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Bridgitte " <syndactylcat> wrote:

> As far as protein goes, leafy greens are your best bet. If you're

> not accustomed to eating them, please let me know and I can give

> you a couple of good recipes that I use all the time. I eat a

> couple of bunches of them every day, and although I didn't have

> all of your symptoms, I can attest to having my depression (very

> severe) lift and my energy level has increased tons. Getting

> protein from animal sources is hard on your body and not the most

> efficient method. I don't have the charts in front of me, but I'll

> post something later with vegetable vs. animal protein comparisons.

>

Ok, here are protein contents of some vegetables (I've only listed

those getting more than 30% of their calories from protein). The

number are percentage of calories from protein:

 

spinach 49%

new zealand spinach 47%

watercress 46%

kale 45%

broccoli 45%

brussels sprouts 44%

turnip greens 43%

collard greens 43%

cauliflower 40%

mustard greens 39%

mushrooms 38%

chinese cabbage 34%

parsley 34%

lettuce 34%

green peas 30%

soybean sprouts 43%

mungbean sprouts 43%

 

While most animal products (including meat, fish, poultry and dairy)

are comprable, most in the 30%-60% range, they're also full of fat

(ranging from about 30%-100% of their calories) and cholesterol

(vegetables have none of either) which are directly related to heart

disease, stroke and cancer...makes you wonder why a doctor would

recommend them, huh?

 

Bridgitte

[Guest guest]

Wow - that recipe post is full of typos...email me if you have any

questions...sorry.

[Guest guest]

Bridgitte;

I have been looking for a recipe like this. Thanks. To all; I can not

figure out what is wrong with my computer. Nor can mail. I

cannot email the excerpt from Survival into The 21st Century by

Victoras Kulvenskas unless I do it 3 pages at a time to each of you

who requested it. Total of 12 pages each. That would not be easy. So

what I'm going to do is post it, 3 pages at a time. That way I will

never have to email it again. I will do it later on tonight when

there is little traffic on the forum.

 

Bridgitte; when I went on the raw food retreat with David Wolf, for

one lunch we had marinated greens. It was so good. When you marinate,

you get a lot of greens in a small space. When they gave us the

greens I remember how heavy it was. I will try yours.

 

Doug

 

 

 

rawfood , " Bridgitte " <syndactylcat> wrote:

> rawfood , " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie>

wrote:

> >

> > I havew a hard time eating enough greens I think. Is there anyway

> you

> > could post those recipies?

>

> These are the recipes I use. The first one is in Rhio's

book " Hooked

> on Raw " and the second one I pulled off the internet, so I'm not

sure

> of the actual source. Both recipes call for specific types of

> greens, but any can be subsituted...

>

> DOWN HOME GREENS

> 1 bunch collard greens

> 1 bunch kale or swill chard

> 2 tbsp. flax oil

> 1/4 lemon, juied

> 3 tbsp unpasteruized apple cider vinegar

> 1 1/2 tbsp unheated honey (you can use a date or two if honey is an

> issue)

> 1-2 garlic cloved, pressed

> 1 tsp. ground cumin

> 1/2 scant tsp. Celtic sea salt

>

> 1. wash the greens and cut out the rib going almost all the way

down

> the middle of the leaf

> 2. lay the greens on on top of the other and then fold in half and

> roll the whole bunch into a tight roll (I do 4 or 5 leaves at a

time)

> 3. in a small bowl, mix the rest of the ingredients and blend well

(i

> used a hand blender)

> 4. toss the greens with the dressing until they are well coated.

> cover and let marinate in teh refrigerator overnight. keeps for 2-

3

> days in the refrigerator

>

> MARINATED GREENS

> 1 bunch kale

> 1 bunch spinach

> 1 red bell pepper

> 1 yellow bell pepper

> olive oil

> sea salt

> cayenne pepper

> 1 lemon, juiced

> 1 " piece of ginger, peeled

> 1/2 red onion

>

> Cut greens (as above), put in large bowl. Pour 3/4 cup olive oil

and

> lemon juice on greens, mix with hands. Process in food processor

> bell peppers, onion, ginger, 1/2 cup olive oil (i think adding more

> is excessive), salt and cayenne to taste. Pour over greens, mix

well

> with hands. Marinate as above.

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

 

Why don't you post it in the files section of the club? You can upload

it straight from your computer with no need to email it.

 

Roger

 

Are you plagued by these problems with your raw food diet?

 

1. You are addicted to your favorite cooked foods and going out to

restaurants.

2. Friends and family discourage you, think you are weird and tell you

that you'll get sick

3. You are afraid of becoming too thin.

4. You fear that you aren't getting enough nutrients like protein,

calcium, and B12.

5. You have been eating raw but aren't getting the results you expected.

6. You fear eating fruit because of its sugar content and hybridization.

 

I'll resolve these problems, myths and misconceptions for you with a

free & no obligation 20-minute telephone or email consultation. Email me

or visit www.SuperbeingDiet.com

[Guest guest]

I tried. When I bring up the files page there is no " add file "

button. So I just posted it.

 

Doug

 

 

 

rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote:

> Hi Doug,

>

> Why don't you post it in the files section of the club? You can

upload

> it straight from your computer with no need to email it.

>

> Roger

>

> Are you plagued by these problems with your raw food diet?

>

> 1. You are addicted to your favorite cooked foods and going out to

> restaurants.

> 2. Friends and family discourage you, think you are weird and tell

you

> that you'll get sick

> 3. You are afraid of becoming too thin.

> 4. You fear that you aren't getting enough nutrients like protein,

> calcium, and B12.

> 5. You have been eating raw but aren't getting the results you

expected.

> 6. You fear eating fruit because of its sugar content and

hybridization.

>

> I'll resolve these problems, myths and misconceptions for you with a

> free & no obligation 20-minute telephone or email consultation.

Email me

> or visit www.SuperbeingDiet.com

[Guest guest]

I had this in some of my articles. This is a good read on Protein.

 

http://www.chrysalisyog.homestead.com/nutsprout.html

 

Best to All

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you! Both recipes sound great!

 

kristi

[Guest guest]

The propaganda about protein comes from the meat and dairy

industries, not from medical research. All vegetarian animals eat low

protein diets, including primates. Vegetarian animals have a longer

folded and chambered bowel designed to slow down digestion to allow

more absorption of nutrients. The dogs bowel, for instance is a short

smooth pipe. Dr. Ralph Bircher claims that a low-protein diet has

demonstrated that the body needs 10-20% less oxygen and a 30% lower

calorie-intake. This conserves the resources of the body. " High

protein diets, on the other hand, tend to accelerate the turnover of

protein in the body, put the cells into high activity, and promote

stress and premature aging. Cancer is characterized by this rapid

protein synthesis. " Intuitive Eating; Humbart Santillo, N.D., Ph.D.

Humbart goes on to show how excess protein causes osteoporosis,

cancer (all tumors are pockets of protein that the body is trying to

get rid of), " Undigested protein must be eliminated by the kidneys.

This unnecessary work

stresses out the kidneys so much that gradually lesions

are developed and tissues begin to harden. In the

colon this excess protein-waste putrefies into toxic

substances called indols, skatols, and hydrogen sulfide,

etc. Some of these substances are reabsorbed into the

bloodstream and are eventually found in the urine, These

substances irritate the bladder and kidneys, and cause an

unnecessary loss of vital energy. " In spite of their short efficient

digestive system, carnivores sleep 20 hours per day, have little

stamina, and short life spans. A cheetah can run 90 miles per hour.

But if it doesn't make a kill, it can't hunt again until the

following day. It is estimated that an adult gorilla has the ability

to bench press 4000 pounds. The favorite food of the gorilla is wild

celery it is less than 1% (.66%) protein. Without a doubt the

strongest, most energetic and longest lived animals are raw vegans.

The meat and dairy industries are telling us that to build strong

bodies we need a lot of protein. The truth is just the opposite.

 

All tumors are made up of protein that the body is trying to get rid

of. Human breast milk is only 2% protein and drops to 1% by the time

the baby is 2 years old. If you want to read more about the dangers

of protein read this article;

http://www.justeatanapple.com/nuts_and_seeds.html In the

book " Living Foods for Optimum Health " by Brian R. Clement " The

Center for Science in the Public Interest reports that the average

American takes in about 150 grams of protein each day. But you need

only a fraction of that amount, where does the excess go? Well, the

body can't store protein, the lymphatic system attempts to remove the

excess. But when the burden becomes too great for the lymph to handle

protein " traps " (tumors) are created, which the body seals off in

order to protect the rest of its organs and tissues, As Nobel prize

winner Dr. Otto Warburg showed, when oxygen supply is decreased by as

little as 30 percent, these trapped cells can become malignant cancer

cells. Warburg found that unlike normal healthy cells, malignant

cancer cells don't require oxygen to reproduce, in a sense, the

cancerous cells consume waste, saving the body from poisoning by

excess protein, but this survival tactic can cause uncontrolled,

terminal cancer. " I know that medical science has a large list of

carcinogens, but without tumors (protein traps) the cancer has no

place to grow. Mothers milk is only 2% protein for a baby that

doubles its size and weight in 180 days by the time the child reaches

2 years of age mothers protein drops to 1% " .

 

 

 

rawfood , Bruce Reid <bwreid67> wrote:

> I had this in some of my articles. This is a good read on Protein.

>

> http://www.chrysalisyog.homestead.com/nutsprout.html

>

> Best to All

>

> Bruce

>

>

>

>

> The New with improved product search

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the articles and recipes. I think I won't worry about the

protein deficiency lol. And maybe I need to change doctors also.

 

Wendy

 

 

rawfood , kauguy <no_reply> wrote:

> The propaganda about protein comes from the meat and dairy

> industries, not from medical research. All vegetarian animals eat

low

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this article Bruce, it was very interesting and a lot to think

about. Do you know I have been a vegan for over ten years and never knew

any of this stuff?

Love Shell.

[Guest guest]

fThank you Roger< I love your site. Yes, a 31 inch waist and a natural face

lift will do me just fine thanks!

Love Shell.

 

 

 

Original message fromRoger.>

> Are you plagued by these problems with your raw food diet?

>

> 1. You are addicted to your favorite cooked foods and going out to

> restaurants.

> 2. Friends and family discourage you, think you are weird and tell you

> that you'll get sick

> 3. You are afraid of becoming too thin.

> 4. You fear that you aren't getting enough nutrients like protein,

> calcium, and B12.

> 5. You have been eating raw but aren't getting the results you expected.

> 6. You fear eating fruit because of its sugar content and hybridization.

>

> I'll resolve these problems, myths and misconceptions for you with a

> free & no obligation 20-minute telephone or email consultation. Email me

> or visit www.SuperbeingDiet.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

 

Great questions!

 

Seitan is wheat gluten. It's dense (at least for me), though it's not

" complete " in that it

doesn't have a complete profile of amino acids. You don't necessarily need to

eat a

complementary protein at the same meal to complete it; other proteins during the

day will

do that.

 

That said, I do usually have beans as my brown when I use seitan (which pretty

much

completes the profile); I don't like to eat two grains as main components in the

same meal.

 

Tempeh is made from soybeans, as you say. It's fermented, and I don't know if

that

may impact isoflavones (which are what we look out for). I looked at the

isoflavones file

that Kathleen posted in the Files section of this web page, and tempeh is indeed

pretty

high in them. Based on that, I'd say that it's a food to eat in moderation if

you're

concerned about the effects of soy.

 

Hope this helps, Cinzia

 

 

, " lynn39will " <lynn39will wrote:

>

> I'm new at this, so bare with me:

>

> - Is seitan a dense and complete protein?

>

> - Should tempeh only be used in moderation b/c it is made from soybeans?

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> Best,

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Cinzia - does that mean that seitan and brown rice are essentially eating

two

browns (meaning an incomplete protein)? That's what I had last night, although I

did have

a cup of lentils for lunch. Do you find it hard to have the recommended amount

of protein

(i.e., what the food plan suggests)?

 

How do you count grams of protein if the protein you eat isn't complete (clearly

I'm new at

this . . . I hope I'm not asking too many questions)?

 

Thanks for your help!

 

Lynn

 

 

, " cinziatre " <domystic8 wrote:

>

> Hi Lynn,

>

> Great questions!

>

> Seitan is wheat gluten. It's dense (at least for me), though it's not

" complete " in that it

> doesn't have a complete profile of amino acids. You don't necessarily need to

eat a

> complementary protein at the same meal to complete it; other proteins during

the day

will

> do that.

>

> That said, I do usually have beans as my brown when I use seitan (which pretty

much

> completes the profile); I don't like to eat two grains as main components in

the same

meal.

>

> Tempeh is made from soybeans, as you say. It's fermented, and I don't know if

that

> may impact isoflavones (which are what we look out for). I looked at the

isoflavones file

> that Kathleen posted in the Files section of this web page, and tempeh is

indeed pretty

> high in them. Based on that, I'd say that it's a food to eat in moderation if

you're

> concerned about the effects of soy.

>

> Hope this helps, Cinzia

>

>

> , " lynn39will " <lynn39will@> wrote:

> >

> > I'm new at this, so bare with me:

> >

> > - Is seitan a dense and complete protein?

> >

> > - Should tempeh only be used in moderation b/c it is made from soybeans?

> >

> > Thanks for your help.

> >

> > Best,

> > Lynn

> >

>