Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Hi Ben, Welcome to our list. We're glad you've joined us and we hope we can be of some help to you as you start your new venture. I've made some comments to your post (below): >>>The owner of the vegan restaurant told me having desserts with dairy products is okay. I didn't ask her, she just told me so. It sounds to me that this vegan restaurant owner is not in tune with the true vegan world. Most vegans are very, very particular about avoiding animal products of all types, some even going so far as to avoid cosmetics, shoes, and clothing that are animal products. If the restaurant is really trying to bring in the vegan clientele, then the menu should be purely vegan. Otherwise there will be a lack of trust as to what is really put into any of the products offered. >>>My concern is that vegan customers might be upset by the presence of dairy products at the dessert counter. Also, I was thinking to offer hormone-free cow milk for espresso drinks in addition to soy, rice (and peanut if I can get it) milk. I wouldn't be offended if it was a general restaurant or food counter, but I would be cautious if this place was advertised as a " vegan restaurant " . I'm interested in what others here might think also. . . ~ LaDonna ~ PS: You will also receive potentially good feedback on your questions at these lists: http://www.Christian-Vegan-Cooking http://www.VeganFoods4HealthyLiving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 LaDonna, Thank you for your warm welcome and advice! Your response is exactly what I was concerned about. In particular, I don't want to drive away her established clientele just due to a misunderstanding because her food is indeed vegan. Even though the non-vegan desserts will all be strictly brought in from the outside bakery, trust is important. We've discussed making the beverage bar completely separate, with only its physical location inside the restaurant...I wonder if it's possible to separate the juice counter off with clear signage, but then again, I can imagine many people being put off by an encroachment on their safe haven. I hope to hear from more people, but I pretty heavily inclined towards telling her I'd rather keep everything strictly vegan. I'm going to see if I can come up with some good vegan milks for lattes. Personally, soy milk bothers my stomach, but I think it would work if I mixed it with other milks... Best regards Ben Barrett _____ Tea Cozy [teacups] Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:43 PM Re: Dairy Products Hi Ben, Welcome to our list. We're glad you've joined us and we hope we can be of some help to you as you start your new venture. I've made some comments to your post (below): >>>The owner of the vegan restaurant told me having desserts with dairy products is okay. I didn't ask her, she just told me so. It sounds to me that this vegan restaurant owner is not in tune with the true vegan world. Most vegans are very, very particular about avoiding animal products of all types, some even going so far as to avoid cosmetics, shoes, and clothing that are animal products. If the restaurant is really trying to bring in the vegan clientele, then the menu should be purely vegan. Otherwise there will be a lack of trust as to what is really put into any of the products offered. >>>My concern is that vegan customers might be upset by the presence of dairy products at the dessert counter. Also, I was thinking to offer hormone-free cow milk for espresso drinks in addition to soy, rice (and peanut if I can get it) milk. I wouldn't be offended if it was a general restaurant or food counter, but I would be cautious if this place was advertised as a " vegan restaurant " . I'm interested in what others here might think also. . . ~ LaDonna ~ PS: You will also receive potentially good feedback on your questions at these lists: http://www.Christian-Vegan-Cooking http://www.VeganFoods4HealthyLiving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Ben, Dairy is not vegan - pure and simple. If the restaurant touts itself as vegan, those ingredients are out of place. If the owner wants to promote a natural foods menu, featuring vegan offerings - that is different. He must make a decision as to how he wants to promote his menu and to what clientele. Good luck. Roy Samuel > " Benjamin Barrett " <gogaku > > > Dairy Products >Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:20:03 -0800 > > >Hi Everyone, > >I am new to this list. > >I am an omnivore, but have recently been asked to provide a beverage and >dessert counter inside a vegan restaurant in the United States, so I joined >this group to learn more about veganism. (I did a very short vegan diet >twenty years ago as well as a short stint as a vegetarian after that.) I >have a personal connection with one of the best cake shops in the area and >know about espresso, which I think is why she asked me. > >The owner of the vegan restaurant told me having desserts with dairy >products is okay. I didn't ask her, she just told me so. > >That said, I plan to offer maybe six vegan desserts and a dozen or so >desserts with dairy products. Everything, including gluten-free and >wheat-free products, will be labeled clearly. > >My concern is that vegan customers might be upset by the presence of dairy >products at the dessert counter. Also, I was thinking to offer hormone-free >cow milk for espresso drinks in addition to soy, rice (and peanut if I can >get it) milk. > >I was wondering if members of this list could provide guidance in offering >dairy products for desserts and/or espresso drinks. > >Sincerely >Ben Barrett > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 does anyone know of a gf rice milk brand that is easily accessible? I like to avoid soy with the kids, and the rice dream has gluten. thanks. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Hi Radiant Vegetarians, I've been on dairy for 47 years, minus a month here or there doing the vegan thing (my choice). This has been a challanging year as Dairy now makes me feel really, really sick. For the past 2 months, have been off dairy (my body's choice) and am feeling better with one exception, when there are trace amounts of dairy (start to feel sick, but it passes). Has anyone else here gone through anything like this with Dairy? Just wondering, Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Hi Radiant Bob, It's no fun to feel sick. I'm glad you figured out the cause. Although I don't feel sick when I eat it, my body definitely prefers very little or no dairy. I really notice it when I am running. It's harder to breathe and I get more congested at night when I eat it regularly. I have gotten fond of hot tea with almond or soy milk. And I love almond cheese (which has casein, but that doesn't seem to be a problem.) It's been pretty easy to live without dairy. There are all kinds of substitutes. JoEllen , " Bob " <yogabob7 wrote: > > Hi Radiant Vegetarians, > > I've been on dairy for 47 years, minus a month here or there doing the > vegan thing (my choice). > > This has been a challanging year as Dairy now makes me feel really, > really sick. > > For the past 2 months, have been off dairy (my body's choice) and am > feeling better with one exception, when there are trace amounts of > dairy (start to feel sick, but it passes). > > Has anyone else here gone through anything like this with Dairy? > > Just wondering, > > Bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Radiant JoEllen, Hi & Thanks for your kind words. Really interesting that you notice it when your running, hits your breathing. That would make me aware. Hit's my intestines. I've been breaking out of my food habits and am getting back to basics, whole foods with protein, without dairy, and with little to no sugar. Feels good so far. Thank you once again, Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 hello Bob thats great you are finding the positives. Over the years I have tried dairy free. I must say I wish I had waited till I found RR and step 7, because my body speaks clearer and I can hear straight! But like Kathleen has said no experience is wasted and I have found that my skin prefers goat cheeses, or buffalo mozzarella, though I dont avoid cow dairy at the moment these are delicious additions. another discovery was how very versatile coconut milk is. It makes ace custard and is nice in decaf and teas. mosaic , " Bob " <yogabob7 wrote: > > Hi Radiant Vegetarians, > > I've been on dairy for 47 years, minus a month here or there doing the > vegan thing (my choice). > > This has been a challanging year as Dairy now makes me feel really, > really sick. > > For the past 2 months, have been off dairy (my body's choice) and am > feeling better with one exception, when there are trace amounts of > dairy (start to feel sick, but it passes). > > Has anyone else here gone through anything like this with Dairy? > > Just wondering, > > Bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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