welcome Ryan / Julia, Journaling

[Guest guest]

Julia,

Sounds like you are coming back to it in a way that

is in-line with the book (PNP in my case). Taking it

easy when it can be done. I think K really pushes that

in her writing, patience, not just with the program,

but with ourselves. This is a huge barrier for me. But

it is inspiring to read in her book & here (and

viewing the journal examples in the book) that there

is great wiggle-room to be had. Perfectionism doesn't

really have a solid place in the system to get rooted.

Thanks for the reminder that I don't have to " get it

right " every time, just keep giving it a go.

Chocolate... I used to eat 12 to 24 ounces (not

grams) or more of chocolate each day, for over a year

(maybe 2-3). It is amazing to not have it in my life,

central as it was. I get some interesting reactions

when I tell people about the love & abstinence of

chocolate. It's easy for them to understand loving

chocolate. It's even easy for them to understand

trying to fight the craving. But the idea of ending it

altogether, they look like someone just told them

their liver has been removed when they weren't

looking!

Thank You Julia & Thank You Everyone, this group is

already helping me to believe this thing is do-able.

 

Ryan

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Julia,

 

What a great post! I'm mostly on the diabetic list, but have been reading

the veggie posts for a while, since I've been trying to find plant-based ways to

do the programme. I'm currently working my way back through the steps,

having been very much out of things for a month or so - not sure why.

 

You know, in a lot of time of doing this stuff - I hadn't heard that

thinking/doing sentiment expressed as neatly as that - thank you! It perfectly

describes where I am just now.

 

Am going to look at protien powders for the first time. I'm in the UK - can

anyone suggest a good brand and where I'd find it?

 

Many thanks,

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ryan,

 

I think one of the most important lessons that I'm learning from the

program and from corresponding with the folks in this community, is

that the little-by-little order that we put into our way of relating

to food and sugar gets reflected in our everyday experiences. I

started practicing on Step 3 a few days ago. I can't say I'm

completely committed to do it just yet, because I still have to master

Step 2, and I don't want to get ahead of myself. So, up until very

recently, I was eating at all hours, or not eating at all, or binging,

or having cookies for breakfast, chocolate for lunch and sugary cereal

for dinner. Mostly, the problem was that I was eating whenever, with

no order at all, and that got reflected in how I was living my life. I

quit drinking, but I was still getting hangovers from sugar!

 

I started a wonderful relationship a few months ago, but at some point

things were not going well. I was so tense it was almost scary, and

was taking it all on him, because he is always there to listen, to

give advice and to respond to my bad moods in a loving, caring way. He

does not deserve to be a victim of my disorderly ways. I have only

done Step 3 for a few days, but I can already see the difference. I

seem to be able to manage panic attacks by thinking that I am actually

doing something to put some order in my life. Even if I have ups and

downs with the program, I know that there's a way of doing it, and

that alone keeps my mind a little quieter.

 

Both my father and my boyfriend are recovering alcoholics (talk about

Oedipus! ), and they always say that you cannot think your way into

right action, but can only act your way into right thinking. The " wild

beast " in my head is calming down because I am acting my way into

thinking, organizing, living for what's out there, for the beautiful

day, and the people I love and who love me back. It's hard to be at

this stage, and I always have the feeling that the " other shoe's gonna

drop, " but at least I'm having three meals a day, eating a snack if

I'm really hungry, and putting my energies into healing and actually

start living.

 

Thank you Ryan and thank you all for reading,

Julia

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Julia,

 

I guess I'd like to be vegan in principle - but I'm so far away from being

able to do that. Not a big fan of dairy (and it certainly isn't of me), and

really dislike eggs in any form. Nor am I much of a cook, or knowledgable about

food. But I've been eating so much meat at the moment to get up my protien

levels, and I have such qualms about it... I want to change to a way of

eliminating the meat, for a start, then seeing where it went re dairy etc.

 

I manage to eat a fair few veggies at the moment - love them, so that's not

a problem. In the past I've been around people who were vegan/veggie, and

I'd remember how enthusiastic they were about how to make things. I am miles

away from that at the moment. Meanwhile, if I under-protein for even a short

time, I seem to go on to let the whole thing unravel a bit, and, with db, that's

not a great idea.

 

So - looking to babystep this - probably some kind of vegan supplier here

who might stock the powder you name - many thanks for that.

 

All the best,

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jennifer,

 

Thank you so much for your nice words. I am really grateful to be able

to share my experience, and to think that sharing might actually be

helping others is just wonderful.

 

When you say you are looking for a plant-base diet, what is your main

concern? Too much meat or dairy? Not enough veggies? I am asking

because I have been vegan for some time now, and that has helped me

feel a lot better, although I know that there are some people that say

that they have felt better by adding some meat and dairy to their

diets. I guess it depends on each case. I use a protein powder called

Soy-free Veg, by Naturade. It works for me because it provides 22gr.

of vegan protein per serving, plus a full dose of vitamin B12, which

is hard for vegans to get. Here's the link to their website

http://www.naturadestore.com/ListProduct.asp?idCategory=3 I don't know

how far they ship, though.

 

Have a wonderful weekend!

 

Julia

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[Guest guest]

Fair enough, Kathleen - I have to say that simplicty is very appealing at

the moment. Might still build in protein powder as aid when travelling - but

yes, I think getting back on track should be my priority.

 

Thanks for taking time to post.

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jennifer,

 

I have a slightly alternative suggestion.

 

Rather than trying to make this shift first, what about learning the

steps and mastering the program.

Then you can make the shift from a steady place. Other wise your

primary energy will be on making the shift rather than healing your

sugar sensitivity.

 

Warmly,

kathleen

On May 18, 2008, at 12:54 AM, jendoherty wrote:

 

> Thanks, Julia,

>

> I guess I'd like to be vegan in principle - but I'm so far away from

> being

> able to do that. Not a big fan of dairy (and it certainly isn't of

> me), and

> really dislike eggs in any form. Nor am I much of a cook, or

> knowledgable about

> food. But I've been eating so much meat at the moment to get up my

> protien

> levels, and I have such qualms about it... I want to change to a way

> of

> eliminating the meat, for a start, then seeing where it went re

> dairy etc.

>

> I manage to eat a fair few veggies at the moment - love them, so

> that's not

> a problem. In the past I've been around people who were vegan/

> veggie, and

> I'd remember how enthusiastic they were about how to make things. I

> am miles

> away from that at the moment. Meanwhile, if I under-protein for even

> a short

> time, I seem to go on to let the whole thing unravel a bit, and,

> with db, that's

> not a great idea.

>

> So - looking to babystep this - probably some kind of vegan supplier

> here

> who might stock the powder you name - many thanks for that.

>

> All the best,

>

> Jennifer