hi everyone

March 21, 2001

Hi gezellig girl;

Welcome to the list! :-)

I'm glad to hear that you are moving towards vegan... I really

think that is the way to go! My husband and I have been eating a

low-fat vegan diet since 1985. We raised our daughter vegan from

toddlerhood, but now that she is making choices for herself, she

seems to be needing to learn the hard way. She has been eating

meat and dairy lately, and isn't looking so well... she has also

been getting tired which she rarely had any problem with before.

sigh. I am hoping she comes back around soon.

Deborah

I just joined yesterday, and I figured I'd give a

quick introduction. I'm 26, married with no kid, and

have been vegetarian for a few years now and am

(slowly but surely) progressing towards veganism.

That's about it - for more about me, visit my site :

http://www16.brinkster.com/gezelliggirl

Talk to you soon!

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I can't understand why an asthmatic would smoke The dust going into the

lungs cannot be helpful.

I do not have asthma but 6 months ago I went dancing to try and regain

fitness,the room was smoky and after jiving vigorously, suddenly had

problems breathing -wheezing/ hyperventilating- I managed to get back to

normal after 20 min or so outside

On going back in I started wheezing again. I had to stop the dancing. I'll

be glad when someone starts a non smoking dance club!!!

-Angie

---- Original Message -----

" sara oliver " <sarathe

<vegan-network >

Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:48 AM

Hi everyone

, I took umbridge about Lesleys anti-smoking

> , and also she shouldnt really

> have a go at me about having an inhaler for my asthma,

> it is not a condition I would choose to have,

> >

> __________

May 24, 2001

vegan-network, sara oliver <sarathe@c...> wrote:

> This is the last I am going to mail this group,

> unfortunatly, due to Lesley Doves attitude, I have had

> enough of this fighting, after all, we are supposed to

> be working together in the good fight, not against

> each other, I took umbridge about Lesleys anti-smoking

> comments, and the whole thing escalated into

> childishness as many people will have noticed...

> I sincerely apologise to the vegan network for my bad

> language, although I make no apologies to Lesley, she

> provoked me into the afore-mentioned argument, and

> chastised me without even attempting to find out the

> facts first, another fact she should note is that

> Holland and Barratt are not the only health food shop

> to sell tobacco free, nicotene free tobacco, which is

> not tested on animals, and also she shouldnt really

> have a go at me about having an inhaler for my asthma,

> it is not a condition I would choose to have, but the

> inhaler saves my life, and if she has a major problem

> with hating her Mother, then why on earth does`nt she

> get counselling for it? It would help with her

> negativity in the long run...Also Lesley, I have no

> intention of comitting suicide, either quickly or

> slowly, you may have major hang ups with that sort of

> thing, but I don`t. Bye everyone xxx

>

I never had a go at you for having an inhaler, I'd use one if I

needed it to live, especially since my health problems are not my

fault! I only took you to task for your lack of good sense in

exacerbating your asthma by smoking, and making yourself more likely

to need more animal-tested medicines for cancer and heart disease in

the future.

I don't hate my mother, but I am angry that she has left me with a

weak chest which will most likely be with me for life. I was

effectively forced to smoke as a child, like the ICI smoking beagles,

so no wonder.

Even smoking tobacco free herbs is not good for you, because although

it contains fewer toxins than tobacco (possibly, I don't know this

for certain), what I do know is that taking any kind of smoke into

the lungs leaves dirty deposits and this will inhibit your oxygen

uptake, so it's better avoided altogether, especially for asthmatics.

Sorry for being concerned about a fellow vegan, but I didn't want you

to suffer unnecessarily. Your asthma might even cure itself if you

quit smoking, you might be one of the lucky ones who can recover

well, especially if you were not severely damaged in the womb or in

childhood by second-hand smoke as I was.

My mother needs counselling much more than I do, because she remains

in denial about the harm she has caused me.

I checked out some symptoms of asthma online and certainly have very

good reason to believe I am asthmatic.

Lesley

May 24, 2001

vegan-network, " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

> I can't understand why an asthmatic would smoke The dust going into

the

> lungs cannot be helpful.

And as we know, that is an understatement!

> I do not have asthma but 6 months ago I went dancing to try and

regain

> fitness,the room was smoky and after jiving vigorously, suddenly had

> problems breathing -wheezing/ hyperventilating- I managed to get

back to

> normal after 20 min or so outside

> On going back in I started wheezing again. I had to stop the

dancing. I'll

> be glad when someone starts a non smoking dance club!!!

> -Angie

>

Don't be afraid to write to the organisers and tell them why you were

put off. Remember that smokers are very much in the minority, only

27% of adults smoke, so if you asked for support from non-smokers in

the group to get a change in the rules to make the smokers go outside

to smoke, you might have won! The organisers won't want to put off

non-smokers because we are the majority. They are more likely to

worry less about putting off a few of the more selfish smokers, who

object to keeping their habit out of doors. Many smokers don't object

to such rules anyway. It's actually easier to stand up for non-

smokers rights than standing up for vegan rights, because most

people, even most meat-eaters are non-smokers, and would probably

agree with you. Even some smokers are pretty respectful of our

feelings and don't smoke indoors, like Sara, so some of them might

actually support you too. Even before I got together with Paul (I

wouldn't take him seriously as a potential boyfriend or husband while

he smoked), he was always in agreement with non-smoking rules in

public, and would never force it onto others.

I think it's a bit of a joke if the smokers thought dancing would

make them fitter! It's like they are all in incredible denial of what

it is doing to them.

Lesley

March 20, 2005

Green juices are the best. However I get bored with green juices and I mix apple with my green juices. I have found Citrus juices to be helpful also.

Enjoy your juice

Lynda

September 12, 2008

Hello everyone! Well I have been a member of this list a long time

(you'll even see my name on some of the files LOL), but haven't posted

in a very long time.

I've been slowly working my way towards vegetarianism and I finally

made the switch a few weeks ago. It literally took me 2 years to work

my way off meat, and I am still adjusting here and there. I've been

cooking a lot these days, experimenting with recipes, pouring through

vegetarian cookbooks to figure out how to get enough protein . Right

now I'm relying a lot on eggs and cheese, but figure that's ok as I

baby step my way along.

Last night I made this stuffed kale dish. Basically I cut up the kale

stems and sauteed them in olive oil, then took the leaves and wrapped

them around pieces of fresh mozzarella like a dolma. I placed these

on top of the stems, added water, vinegar (recipe called for wine, it

turned out fine without!), chopped tomatoes and olives, salt and

pepper and finished cooking. I'll have it tonight with a brown, maybe

brown rice, I haven't decided .

A week and a half ago I made a big batch of cheese enchiladas and two

quiches to freeze to have as ready to eat meals.

We had our company picnic and I made a cold peanut noodle salad with

tofu to bring. My house STILL smells like peanuts LOL.

I attempted to make my own bean patties and that was, uhhh, well

edible but not by much LOL.

It's been fun to experiment, but I am having to be very rigorous about

checking protein counts to make sure I stay steady. And, of course,

the journal has been a huge help.

Looking forward to getting to know you all!

Heather

September 12, 2008

Heather,

That recipe sounds delish!

I'm curious about peanut noodles, I always assumed they weren't program

friendly. Are they purely peanut? Or do they have some sort of brown rice or

whole wheat variety?

Tina

hawaiihmb

Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:33:54 +0000

hi everyone

Hello everyone! Well I have been a member of this list a long time

(you'll even see my name on some of the files LOL), but haven't posted

in a very long time.

I've been slowly working my way towards vegetarianism and I finally

made the switch a few weeks ago. It literally took me 2 years to work

my way off meat, and I am still adjusting here and there. I've been

cooking a lot these days, experimenting with recipes, pouring through

vegetarian cookbooks to figure out how to get enough protein . Right

now I'm relying a lot on eggs and cheese, but figure that's ok as I

baby step my way along.

Last night I made this stuffed kale dish. Basically I cut up the kale

stems and sauteed them in olive oil, then took the leaves and wrapped

them around pieces of fresh mozzarella like a dolma. I placed these

on top of the stems, added water, vinegar (recipe called for wine, it

turned out fine without!), chopped tomatoes and olives, salt and

pepper and finished cooking. I'll have it tonight with a brown, maybe

brown rice, I haven't decided .

A week and a half ago I made a big batch of cheese enchiladas and two

quiches to freeze to have as ready to eat meals.

We had our company picnic and I made a cold peanut noodle salad with

tofu to bring. My house STILL smells like peanuts LOL.

I attempted to make my own bean patties and that was, uhhh, well

edible but not by much LOL.

It's been fun to experiment, but I am having to be very rigorous about

checking protein counts to make sure I stay steady. And, of course,

the journal has been a huge help.

Looking forward to getting to know you all!

Heather

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Ah, well the noodles were whole wheat . The sauce had the peanuts. I didn't

know there are noodles made from peanuts!

Heather

There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle.

The other is as though everything is a miracle.

--Albert Einstein

Tina Castronovo <tcastronovo18

Friday, September 12, 2008 2:39:58 PM

RE: hi everyone

Heather,

That recipe sounds delish!

I'm curious about peanut noodles, I always assumed they weren't program

friendly. Are they purely peanut? Or do they have some sort of brown rice or

whole wheat variety?

Tina

hawaiihmb

Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:33:54 +0000

hi everyone

Hello everyone! Well I have been a member of this list a long time

(you'll even see my name on some of the files LOL), but haven't posted

in a very long time.

I've been slowly working my way towards vegetarianism and I finally

made the switch a few weeks ago. It literally took me 2 years to work

my way off meat, and I am still adjusting here and there. I've been

cooking a lot these days, experimenting with recipes, pouring through

vegetarian cookbooks to figure out how to get enough protein . Right

now I'm relying a lot on eggs and cheese, but figure that's ok as I

baby step my way along.

Last night I made this stuffed kale dish. Basically I cut up the kale

stems and sauteed them in olive oil, then took the leaves and wrapped

them around pieces of fresh mozzarella like a dolma. I placed these

on top of the stems, added water, vinegar (recipe called for wine, it

turned out fine without!), chopped tomatoes and olives, salt and

pepper and finished cooking. I'll have it tonight with a brown, maybe

brown rice, I haven't decided .

A week and a half ago I made a big batch of cheese enchiladas and two

quiches to freeze to have as ready to eat meals.

We had our company picnic and I made a cold peanut noodle salad with

tofu to bring. My house STILL smells like peanuts LOL.

I attempted to make my own bean patties and that was, uhhh, well

edible but not by much LOL.

It's been fun to experiment, but I am having to be very rigorous about

checking protein counts to make sure I stay steady. And, of course,

the journal has been a huge help.

Looking forward to getting to know you all!

Heather

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Heather how fantastic to see you. You've no idea how useful

your 'vegetarian protein sources' is in Files! it made life so easy

working out the protien for my lunches.

Ive got the things I use regularly written in a page in my journal so

I can look them up quickly - for me thats the bean/pulses.

Im really grateful

Love dolmas as well so you have me thinking already!

mosaic

-- In , " Heather " <hawaiihmb

wrote:

>

> Hello everyone! Well I have been a member of this list a long time

> (you'll even see my name on some of the files LOL), but haven't

posted

> in a very long time.

>

> I've been slowly working my way towards vegetarianism and I finally

> made the switch a few weeks ago. It literally took me 2 years to

work

> my way off meat, and I am still adjusting here and there. I've been

> cooking a lot these days, experimenting with recipes, pouring

through

> vegetarian cookbooks to figure out how to get enough protein .

Right

> now I'm relying a lot on eggs and cheese, but figure that's ok as I

> baby step my way along.

>

> Last night I made this stuffed kale dish. Basically I cut up the

kale

> stems and sauteed them in olive oil, then took the leaves and

wrapped

> them around pieces of fresh mozzarella like a dolma. I placed these

> on top of the stems, added water, vinegar (recipe called for wine,

it

> turned out fine without!), chopped tomatoes and olives, salt and

> pepper and finished cooking. I'll have it tonight with a brown,

maybe

> brown rice, I haven't decided .

>

> A week and a half ago I made a big batch of cheese enchiladas and

two

> quiches to freeze to have as ready to eat meals.

>

> We had our company picnic and I made a cold peanut noodle salad with

> tofu to bring. My house STILL smells like peanuts LOL.

>

> I attempted to make my own bean patties and that was, uhhh, well

> edible but not by much LOL.

>

> It's been fun to experiment, but I am having to be very rigorous

about

> checking protein counts to make sure I stay steady. And, of course,

> the journal has been a huge help.

>

> Looking forward to getting to know you all!

> Heather

>

September 13, 2008

Oh OK LOL I just wasn't sure what a peanut noodle is, that makes much more

sense!!

I just found brown rice spaghetti today at WHole FOods. That would work too I

think.

PS can you share that recipe then??

Tina

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Well, I could if I had one LOL. I tend to use recipes as guidelines and then go

off and do my own thing. If you are comfortable experimenting and readjusting

amounts as you go, you'll be fine. Just add stuff conservatively to start and

add more till it reaches the flavor that tastes good to you!

Approx 1 cup peanut butter

Approx 1 can coconut milk (unmixed, I used a dollop of the cream on the top to

cook the spices)

Approx 1 tablespoon Chopped garlic

Approx 2 teaspoons Tumeric

Approx 1/4 cup soy sauce (I used low sodium)

A small handful of chopped onion

A few good shakes of red pepper flakes (I'd actually use more, it could've used

it!)

The juice of two limes (could add more)

Salt and Pepper to Taste

1Tablespoon unsweetened apple juice concentrate

Saute the onion and garlic in the coconut cream, once soft add the spices and

continue to cook. Slowly mix in the peanut butter and coconut cream. Salt and

pepper to taste. At the end add the lime juice and stir, then serve!

This makes a LOT of sauce, I put it on a pound and a half of pasta plus 2 pounds

of tofu . If you want to make less just adjust amounts.

For the tofu, I pressed it between two cutting boards topped with heavy cans for

about an hour to get the water out, then cut it into cubes and pan fried it in a

little peanut oil topped with some soy sauce. Since this was for a side dish at

a picnic the tofu amount wasn't enough protein for me, so I did save a separate

side of it for me LOL.

I also shredded some carrots and chopped a yellow bell pepper to stir in.

I had meant to top it all with some crushed peanuts, but forgot. Now I have a

TON of peanuts in my house I have to find a use for

Heather

There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The

other is as though everything is a miracle.

--Albert Einstein

Tina Castronovo <tcastronovo18

Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:01:27 AM

RE: hi everyone

Oh OK LOL I just wasn't sure what a peanut noodle is, that makes much more

sense!!

I just found brown rice spaghetti today at WHole FOods. That would work too I

think.

PS can you share that recipe then??

Tina

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Oops, that should be one pound of tofu LOLOL! But really use the amount you'd

need for you

Heather

There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle.

The other is as though everything is a miracle.

--Albert Einstein

Heather Butler <hawaiihmb

Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:22:22 AM

Re: hi everyone

Well, I could if I had one LOL. I tend to use recipes as guidelines and then go

off and do my own thing. If you are comfortable experimenting and readjusting

amounts as you go, you'll be fine. Just add stuff conservatively to start and

add more till it reaches the flavor that tastes good to you!

Approx 1 cup peanut butter

Approx 1 can coconut milk (unmixed, I used a dollop of the cream on the top to

cook the spices)

Approx 1 tablespoon Chopped garlic

Approx 2 teaspoons Tumeric

Approx 1/4 cup soy sauce (I used low sodium)

A small handful of chopped onion

A few good shakes of red pepper flakes (I'd actually use more, it could've used

it!)

The juice of two limes (could add more)

Salt and Pepper to Taste

1Tablespoon unsweetened apple juice concentrate

Saute the onion and garlic in the coconut cream, once soft add the spices and

continue to cook. Slowly mix in the peanut butter and coconut cream. Salt and

pepper to taste. At the end add the lime juice and stir, then serve!

This makes a LOT of sauce, I put it on a pound and a half of pasta plus 2 pounds

of tofu . If you want to make less just adjust amounts.

For the tofu, I pressed it between two cutting boards topped with heavy cans for

about an hour to get the water out, then cut it into cubes and pan fried it in a

little peanut oil topped with some soy sauce. Since this was for a side dish at

a picnic the tofu amount wasn't enough protein for me, so I did save a separate

side of it for me LOL.

I also shredded some carrots and chopped a yellow bell pepper to stir in.

I had meant to top it all with some crushed peanuts, but forgot. Now I have a

TON of peanuts in my house I have to find a use for

Heather

There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The

other is as though everything is a miracle.

--Albert Einstein

Tina Castronovo <tcastronovo18

Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:01:27 AM

RE: hi everyone

Oh OK LOL I just wasn't sure what a peanut noodle is, that makes much more

sense!!

I just found brown rice spaghetti today at WHole FOods. That would work too I

think.

PS can you share that recipe then??

Tina

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Mosaic, well thank you, I'm glad you find the list useful! It actually

was a group effort, everyone on this list at the time contributed and

I just compiled .

Heather

, " mosaic " <mosaic58 wrote:

>

> Heather how fantastic to see you. You've no idea how useful

> your 'vegetarian protein sources' is in Files! it made life so easy

> working out the protien for my lunches.

>

> Ive got the things I use regularly written in a page in my journal so

> I can look them up quickly - for me thats the bean/pulses.

>

> Im really grateful

> Love dolmas as well so you have me thinking already!

> mosaic

>

> -- In , " Heather " <hawaiihmb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hello everyone! Well I have been a member of this list a long time

> > (you'll even see my name on some of the files LOL), but haven't

> posted

> > in a very long time.

> >

> > I've been slowly working my way towards vegetarianism and I finally

> > made the switch a few weeks ago. It literally took me 2 years to

> work

> > my way off meat, and I am still adjusting here and there. I've been

> > cooking a lot these days, experimenting with recipes, pouring

> through

> > vegetarian cookbooks to figure out how to get enough protein .

> Right

> > now I'm relying a lot on eggs and cheese, but figure that's ok as I

> > baby step my way along.

> >

> > Last night I made this stuffed kale dish. Basically I cut up the

> kale

> > stems and sauteed them in olive oil, then took the leaves and

> wrapped

> > them around pieces of fresh mozzarella like a dolma. I placed these

> > on top of the stems, added water, vinegar (recipe called for wine,

> it

> > turned out fine without!), chopped tomatoes and olives, salt and

> > pepper and finished cooking. I'll have it tonight with a brown,

> maybe

> > brown rice, I haven't decided .

> >

> > A week and a half ago I made a big batch of cheese enchiladas and

> two

> > quiches to freeze to have as ready to eat meals.

> >

> > We had our company picnic and I made a cold peanut noodle salad with

> > tofu to bring. My house STILL smells like peanuts LOL.

> >

> > I attempted to make my own bean patties and that was, uhhh, well

> > edible but not by much LOL.

> >

> > It's been fun to experiment, but I am having to be very rigorous

> about

> > checking protein counts to make sure I stay steady. And, of course,

> > the journal has been a huge help.

> >

> > Looking forward to getting to know you all!

> > Heather

> >

>

September 13, 2008

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Oops, something funky happened w/my last message.

I meant to say, thanks for taking the time to write this up, Heather! I will

definitely try it.

Tina

>

> hawaiihmb

> Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:22:22 -0700

> Re: hi everyone

>

> Well, I could if I had one LOL. I tend to use recipes as guidelines and then

go off and do my own thing. If you are comfortable experimenting and

readjusting amounts as you go, you'll be fine. Just add stuff conservatively to

start and add more till it reaches the flavor that tastes good to you!

>

> Approx 1 cup peanut butter

> Approx 1 can coconut milk (unmixed, I used a dollop of the cream on the top to

cook the spices)

>

> Approx 1 tablespoon Chopped garlic

> Approx 2 teaspoons Tumeric

> Approx 1/4 cup soy sauce (I used low sodium)

> A small handful of chopped onion

> A few good shakes of red pepper flakes (I'd actually use more, it could've

used it!)

> The juice of two limes (could add more)

> Salt and Pepper to Taste

> 1Tablespoon unsweetened apple juice concentrate

>

> Saute the onion and garlic in the coconut cream, once soft add the spices and

continue to cook. Slowly mix in the peanut butter and coconut cream. Salt and

pepper to taste. At the end add the lime juice and stir, then serve!

>

> This makes a LOT of sauce, I put it on a pound and a half of pasta plus 2

pounds of tofu . If you want to make less just adjust amounts.

>

> For the tofu, I pressed it between two cutting boards topped with heavy cans

for about an hour to get the water out, then cut it into cubes and pan fried it

in a little peanut oil topped with some soy sauce. Since this was for a side

dish at a picnic the tofu amount wasn't enough protein for me, so I did save a

separate side of it for me LOL.

>

> I also shredded some carrots and chopped a yellow bell pepper to stir in.

>

> I had meant to top it all with some crushed peanuts, but forgot. Now I have a

TON of peanuts in my house I have to find a use for

>

> Heather

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Heather-

it's great to hear about your cooking adventures.

I'm mostly branching out into different types of salads.

nothing real advanced.

i'm curious about your process as far as going off of meat.

I'm not in a place now where I'm ready to do that.

but i may continue to move in that direction.

i think my body may like that eventually.

-John

, " Heather " <hawaiihmb wrote:

>

> Hello everyone! Well I have been a member of this list a long time

> (you'll even see my name on some of the files LOL), but haven't posted

> in a very long time.

>

> I've been slowly working my way towards vegetarianism and I finally

> made the switch a few weeks ago. It literally took me 2 years to work

> my way off meat, and I am still adjusting here and there. I've been

> cooking a lot these days, experimenting with recipes, pouring through

> vegetarian cookbooks to figure out how to get enough protein . Right

> now I'm relying a lot on eggs and cheese, but figure that's ok as I

> baby step my way along.

>

> Last night I made this stuffed kale dish. Basically I cut up the kale

> stems and sauteed them in olive oil, then took the leaves and wrapped

> them around pieces of fresh mozzarella like a dolma. I placed these

> on top of the stems, added water, vinegar (recipe called for wine, it

> turned out fine without!), chopped tomatoes and olives, salt and

> pepper and finished cooking. I'll have it tonight with a brown, maybe

> brown rice, I haven't decided .

>

> A week and a half ago I made a big batch of cheese enchiladas and two

> quiches to freeze to have as ready to eat meals.

>

> We had our company picnic and I made a cold peanut noodle salad with

> tofu to bring. My house STILL smells like peanuts LOL.

>

> I attempted to make my own bean patties and that was, uhhh, well

> edible but not by much LOL.

>

> It's been fun to experiment, but I am having to be very rigorous about

> checking protein counts to make sure I stay steady. And, of course,

> the journal has been a huge help.

>

> Looking forward to getting to know you all!

> Heather

>

September 16, 2008

John, it took me two years to transition off meat. There was definitely some

forward and backward movement there. My first few attempts were to just make

the switch, but I found that after only a few days without meat I was feeling

depressed--even with the solid amounts of protein. So, I decided to not rush

things and just start by eliminating meats one by one. The first switch was off

beef, pork, and lamb. They were the easiest thing for me to cut out because

they are my least favorite meats. I only had them a few times a week, so I

started to replace them with vegetarian meals, or with fish. I did this for a

year and a half! Yep, that's how long it took me to feel safe enough in my

program to make a new change . You know those people that stay on step 3 for

like a year? That's how I felt with this point in my shift to vegetarian, but

truthfully it's what my body was dictating. I was eating vegetarian breakfasts

already with shake, so I'd have

a vegetarian lunch or dinner 3-5 times a week.

The next switch was to stop eating poultry products. Well the timing on that

wasn't good, and I was having a stressful time at work with travel and weird

schedules, so I added back in turkey (but left out chicken). So a backward

movement, but again, that's ok because it's what my body was telling me. Ad I

did feel SO much steadier with a turkey burger a few times a week . After

things settled down I decided to make the next shift and eliminate all meat

products. This was the hardest part for me because I have strong emotional ties

to seafood and fish. It's the first time I've given up a meat where I was sad

about it. But I'm proud of doing it, and feel much better spiritually for it.

Physically I feel really good. I'm able to get enough protein for my body

through eggs, dairy and soy. I want to do more protein with beans and legumes,

but I know I can't do all my protein for the day through those, I'd be nutso

(and probably gassy LOLOL!).

I hope that helps!

Heather

There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle.

The other is as though everything is a miracle.

--Albert Einstein

john wilson <radiantjw

Monday, September 15, 2008 1:27:06 PM

Re: hi everyone

Heather-

it's great to hear about your cooking adventures.

I'm mostly branching out into different types of salads.

nothing real advanced.

i'm curious about your process as far as going off of meat.

I'm not in a place now where I'm ready to do that.

but i may continue to move in that direction.

i think my body may like that eventually.

-John

, " Heather " <hawaiihmb@. ..> wrote:

>

> Hello everyone! Well I have been a member of this list a long time

> (you'll even see my name on some of the files LOL), but haven't posted

> in a very long time.

>

> I've been slowly working my way towards vegetarianism and I finally

> made the switch a few weeks ago. It literally took me 2 years to work

> my way off meat, and I am still adjusting here and there. I've been

> cooking a lot these days, experimenting with recipes, pouring through

> vegetarian cookbooks to figure out how to get enough protein . Right

> now I'm relying a lot on eggs and cheese, but figure that's ok as I

> baby step my way along.

>

> Last night I made this stuffed kale dish. Basically I cut up the kale

> stems and sauteed them in olive oil, then took the leaves and wrapped

> them around pieces of fresh mozzarella like a dolma. I placed these

> on top of the stems, added water, vinegar (recipe called for wine, it

> turned out fine without!), chopped tomatoes and olives, salt and

> pepper and finished cooking. I'll have it tonight with a brown, maybe

> brown rice, I haven't decided .

>

> A week and a half ago I made a big batch of cheese enchiladas and two

> quiches to freeze to have as ready to eat meals.

>

> We had our company picnic and I made a cold peanut noodle salad with

> tofu to bring. My house STILL smells like peanuts LOL.

>

> I attempted to make my own bean patties and that was, uhhh, well

> edible but not by much LOL.

>

> It's been fun to experiment, but I am having to be very rigorous about

> checking protein counts to make sure I stay steady. And, of course,

> the journal has been a huge help.

>

> Looking forward to getting to know you all!

> Heather

>

September 16, 2008

Heather - this is really helpful. It's funny how I never thought about taking

time going off meat. I saw it more like a switch. And I like how you are so

gentle with yourself - not only listening to your body but also respecting it

(even if your mind wanted to do something else). What strength to do and what

grace to share!

Thank you

Karyn

Heather Butler <hawaiihmb

Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:14:37 AM

Re: Re: hi everyone

John, it took me two years to transition off meat. There was definitely some

forward and backward movement there. My first few attempts were to just make the

switch, but I found that after only a few days without meat I was feeling

depressed--even with the solid amounts of protein. So, I decided to not rush

things and just start by eliminating meats one by one. The first switch was off

beef, pork, and lamb. They were the easiest thing for me to cut out because they

are my least favorite meats. I only had them a few times a week, so I started to

replace them with vegetarian meals, or with fish. I did this for a year and a

half! Yep, that's how long it took me to feel safe enough in my program to make

a new change . You know those people that stay on step 3 for like a year?

That's how I felt with this point in my shift to vegetarian, but truthfully it's

what my body was dictating. I was eating vegetarian breakfasts already with

shake, so I'd have