Guest guest Posted March 26, 2000 Report Share Posted March 26, 2000 Mary Ann, Hope this helps some. Is being a vegan healthy? Eating a vegan diet is not simply healthy. It is healthier! Vegans tend to eat less fat, and they have lower cholesterol levels And importantly, a plant-based diet provides enough protein, meeting the amount recommended by the World Health Organization. All nutritional needs are met (see question about vitamin B-12), and many of the problems associated with eating meat and dairy are avoided. In fact, the consumption of meat and dairy has been linked to heart disease and certain types of cancer. Further, excess protein can lead to health problems, including a depletion of calcium. Am I getting enough protein? A vegan diet supplies an adequate amount of protein, meeting the recommendations of the World Health Organization. It was once thought that you had to combine proteins at each meal, but this is no longer considered to be true. Now, if you eat a variety of plant foods, including grains, legumes, nuts and seeds, your protein needs will be met. And soy protein is considered the equivalent of animal protein. Further, excess protein has been associated with health problems. There have been links to heart disease, breast cancer in women, and kidney disease as well as kidney stones. Excess protein can also have the effect of excreting calcium from the kidneys, and may be a factor in osteoporosis. <a href= " http://www.vegan.org/ " >Vegan Action Alyssa Mary Ann <maryann23_1977 wrote: Mary Ann Y'all are more knowledgable than I so please advise... On a weight loss list I am on, I mentioned in passing that I am a vegan. Some women wrote to me saying " it's difficult for vegans to eat enough protein " " vegans have deficiencies " blah blah blah... PLEASE point me to some links or give me some info to debunk these myths!! I KNOW I am not deficient in protein! Also, I mentioned to a friend that I had read somewhere that meat is tender because it is rotting, otherwise it would be stiff with rigor mortis, like any other dead thing. I read that when the meat begins to decompose it gets tender. That the meat you buy at the store is months from slaughter, it has spent months between slaughter and consumption. Is this true?? My friend asked me then why doesn't it smell if it's rotting, and why don't we get violently ill from eating it?? Do you all know anything about this?? Thank you so much everyone Mary Ann ===== " Lately it occurs to me...what a long strange trip it's been... " ~~The Grateful Dead...we miss you Jerry... Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://im. ------ MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click./1/2122/3/_/651892/_/954075105/ ------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Talk to your friends online with Messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2000 Report Share Posted March 26, 2000 Try doing a diet analysis. You can do it using this link http://dawp.anet.com/ or going to your doctor/nutritionist. Whenever someone tells me something about me not getting enough protei/vitamins, I tell them about my diet analysis. I get 100-300% of all my mineral & vitamin needs, and a scary 250% of my protein needs. And that was before I started eating veggie burgers (uh-oh). The average American diet contains 600-700% of a person's protein requirements. So as you see, protein is not a problem. There's a really good women's health page that talks a lot about veegtarianism, it's http://www.evesgarden.net/ They mention animal vs. vegetable proteins in a few articles, you might want to check that out. -Belle Mary Ann <maryann23_1977 wrote: Y'all are more knowledgable than I so please advise... On a weight loss list I am on, I mentioned in passing that I am a vegan. Some women wrote to me saying " it's difficult for vegans to eat enough protein " " vegans have deficiencies " blah blah blah... PLEASE point me to some links or give me some info to debunk these myths!! I KNOW I am not deficient in protein! Also, I mentioned to a friend that I had read somewhere that meat is tender because it is rotting, otherwise it would be stiff with rigor mortis, like any other dead thing. I read that when the meat begins to decompose it gets tender. That the meat you buy at the store is months from slaughter, it has spent months between slaughter and consumption. Is this true?? My friend asked me then why doesn't it smell if it's rotting, and why don't we get violently ill from eating it?? Do you all know anything about this?? Thank you so much everyone Mary Ann ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 Hi there, I was vegetarian but have struggled with step 3 and so now eat chicken or fish at each meal (not breakfast), I definitely feel steady on it, when I tried to do the programme as a vegetarian I came undone, but I have to say my timings weren't good at the time, and my step 3 was still inconsistent. It is feeling much better now, and I am struggling with eating fish and chicken each day, not physically, my body seems to like it, but in my head, I just find it difficult to justify the meat industry, I eat free range organic chicken, but am struggling to do this financially so eat a lot of fish, tinned tuna works well but not sure if it is good to eat too much tinned fish. Thing is I would like to be vegetarian again, because I just don't want to support the meat and fish industry, but I don't want to lose the steadiness I have been feeling, because it is relatively new. I wondered what other people thought? Lucy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 Lucy My sentiments too! I was veggie for a number of years, although I see now that at least some of that was protein avoidance, & restriction, not to mention rebellion when I first started. My body likes dense proteins, particuarly chicken, turkey, & salmon. What I am doing right now is using PP at breakfast [half soya, half whey based], meat usually for lunch, veggie for dinner. I sometimes have tempeh at lunch instead of meat. Dinner is typically lentil curry. I am a member of an animal sanctuary & highly dismayed by factory farming & the reality of how cheap food is produced. At the same time I greatly treasure my health & sanity. I'm slowly easing towards being veggie again. I know it can be done as Heather & others prove. Yet I won't take any risks of regression because I have a lot to lose from the life I have now. Mel , " fleetlucy " <fleetlucy wrote: > > Hi there, > > I was vegetarian but have struggled with step 3 and so now eat chicken or fish at each meal (not breakfast), I definitely feel steady on it, when I tried to do the programme as a vegetarian I came undone, but I have to say my timings weren't good at the time, and my step 3 was still inconsistent. > > It is feeling much better now, and I am struggling with eating fish and chicken each day, not physically, my body seems to like it, but in my head, I just find it difficult to justify the meat industry, I eat free range organic chicken, but am struggling to do this financially so eat a lot of fish, tinned tuna works well but not sure if it is good to eat too much tinned fish. > > Thing is I would like to be vegetarian again, because I just don't want to support the meat and fish industry, but I don't want to lose the steadiness I have been feeling, because it is relatively new. > > I wondered what other people thought? > > Lucy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Hi Lucy, I hear you about not wanting to support the industry. I have become almost vegetarian on step 7. Doing it from a steady place worked for me. Even so, I had to do it very slowly and gradually to stay steady. I agree with mel-maybe change a meal here and there to start rather than change all. Congratulations on getting steady on step 3 too. JoEllen , " fleetlucy " <fleetlucy wrote: > > Hi there, > > I was vegetarian but have struggled with step 3 and so now eat chicken or fish at each meal (not breakfast), I definitely feel steady on it, when I tried to do the programme as a vegetarian I came undone, but I have to say my timings weren't good at the time, and my step 3 was still inconsistent. > > It is feeling much better now, and I am struggling with eating fish and chicken each day, not physically, my body seems to like it, but in my head, I just find it difficult to justify the meat industry, I eat free range organic chicken, but am struggling to do this financially so eat a lot of fish, tinned tuna works well but not sure if it is good to eat too much tinned fish. > > Thing is I would like to be vegetarian again, because I just don't want to support the meat and fish industry, but I don't want to lose the steadiness I have been feeling, because it is relatively new. > > I wondered what other people thought? > > Lucy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 , " jocameron350 " <joellencameron wrote: >Hi Janine, Mel and Jo It is good to get this advice, because I don't want to upset my balance, I think I will make it my project to start creating a recipe book of vegetarian recipes with protein contents worked out, make it a fun creative thing, then gradually try out one a week or something like that, see how it effects me. This way I'll feel like I'm doing something but I hopefully won't lose my new found balance...it goes so easily! But comes back quickly. Lucy > Hi Lucy, > > I hear you about not wanting to support the industry. > > I have become almost vegetarian on step 7. Doing it from a steady > place worked for me. Even so, I had to do it very slowly and gradually > to stay steady. > > I agree with mel-maybe change a meal here and there to start rather > than change all. > > Congratulations on getting steady on step 3 too. > > JoEllen > > > > > > , " fleetlucy " <fleetlucy@> wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > > > I was vegetarian but have struggled with step 3 and so now eat chicken or fish at each meal (not breakfast), I definitely feel steady on it, when I tried to do the programme as a vegetarian I came undone, but I have to say my timings weren't good at the time, and my step 3 was still inconsistent. > > > > It is feeling much better now, and I am struggling with eating fish and chicken each day, not physically, my body seems to like it, but in my head, I just find it difficult to justify the meat industry, I eat free range organic chicken, but am struggling to do this financially so eat a lot of fish, tinned tuna works well but not sure if it is good to eat too much tinned fish. > > > > Thing is I would like to be vegetarian again, because I just don't want to support the meat and fish industry, but I don't want to lose the steadiness I have been feeling, because it is relatively new. > > > > I wondered what other people thought? > > > > Lucy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 I like this idea Lucy. It sounds like fun too. Mel , " fleetlucy " <fleetlucy wrote: I think I will make it my project to start creating a recipe book of vegetarian recipes with protein contents worked out, make it a fun creative thing, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Hi Lucy, I feel your frustration! It helps me to make a list of all the proteins that I feel good about eating and to make sure that I get protein from a variety of those sources every day. You are still a vegetarian at heart, because you care and you are aware. Just do the best you can, and when you do eat meat, then maybe consider honoring it in some way, weather it's a moment of gratitude before eating, or making sure you don't waste it, or whatever works for you. I tried being vegan pre-RR and it was a disaster. It is much easier now, as others have said. Maggie On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM, fleetlucy <fleetlucy wrote: > > > Hi there, > > I was vegetarian but have struggled with step 3 and so now eat chicken or > fish at each meal (not breakfast), I definitely feel steady on it, when I > tried to do the programme as a vegetarian I came undone, but I have to say > my timings weren't good at the time, and my step 3 was still inconsistent. > > It is feeling much better now, and I am struggling with eating fish and > chicken each day, not physically, my body seems to like it, but in my head, > I just find it difficult to justify the meat industry, I eat free range > organic chicken, but am struggling to do this financially so eat a lot of > fish, tinned tuna works well but not sure if it is good to eat too much > tinned fish. > > Thing is I would like to be vegetarian again, because I just don't want to > support the meat and fish industry, but I don't want to lose the steadiness > I have been feeling, because it is relatively new. > > I wondered what other people thought? > > Lucy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 , Maggie Vining <Maggie.Vining wrote: >Hi Maggie, Yes, I think that is a good idea, the good change that has happened to me is that I am being persistent about this in a balanced way, rather than trying to be vegetarian, I am aiming at taking my time and integrating the RR diet and the vegetarian diet, gently so I can see what works. It was interesting to read that you get your protein from a variety of sources each day, I shall do that too. Lucy > Hi Lucy, I feel your frustration! It helps me to make a list of all > the proteins that I feel good about eating and to make sure that I get > protein from a variety of those sources every day. > > You are still a vegetarian at heart, because you care and you are > aware. Just do the best you can, and when you do eat meat, then maybe > consider honoring it in some way, weather it's a moment of gratitude > before eating, or making sure you don't waste it, or whatever works > for you. > > I tried being vegan pre-RR and it was a disaster. It is much easier > now, as others have said. > > Maggie > > On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM, fleetlucy <fleetlucy wrote: > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > I was vegetarian but have struggled with step 3 and so now eat chicken or > > fish at each meal (not breakfast), I definitely feel steady on it, when I > > tried to do the programme as a vegetarian I came undone, but I have to say > > my timings weren't good at the time, and my step 3 was still inconsistent. > > > > It is feeling much better now, and I am struggling with eating fish and > > chicken each day, not physically, my body seems to like it, but in my head, > > I just find it difficult to justify the meat industry, I eat free range > > organic chicken, but am struggling to do this financially so eat a lot of > > fish, tinned tuna works well but not sure if it is good to eat too much > > tinned fish. > > > > Thing is I would like to be vegetarian again, because I just don't want to > > support the meat and fish industry, but I don't want to lose the steadiness > > I have been feeling, because it is relatively new. > > > > I wondered what other people thought? > > > > Lucy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Mel, you sound so sane and rational . I'm glad you are here with us! Let us know however we can support you. Heather There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. --Albert Einstein ________________________________ mel8239 <shaggypoo.chaos Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:14:34 PM Re: Help please! Lucy My sentiments too! I was veggie for a number of years, although I see now that at least some of that was protein avoidance, & restriction, not to mention rebellion when I first started. My body likes dense proteins, particuarly chicken, turkey, & salmon. What I am doing right now is using PP at breakfast [half soya, half whey based], meat usually for lunch, veggie for dinner. I sometimes have tempeh at lunch instead of meat. Dinner is typically lentil curry. I am a member of an animal sanctuary & highly dismayed by factory farming & the reality of how cheap food is produced. At the same time I greatly treasure my health & sanity. I'm slowly easing towards being veggie again. I know it can be done as Heather & others prove. Yet I won't take any risks of regression because I have a lot to lose from the life I have now. Mel , " fleetlucy " <fleetlucy@. ...> wrote: > > Hi there, > > I was vegetarian but have struggled with step 3 and so now eat chicken or fish at each meal (not breakfast), I definitely feel steady on it, when I tried to do the programme as a vegetarian I came undone, but I have to say my timings weren't good at the time, and my step 3 was still inconsistent. > > It is feeling much better now, and I am struggling with eating fish and chicken each day, not physically, my body seems to like it, but in my head, I just find it difficult to justify the meat industry, I eat free range organic chicken, but am struggling to do this financially so eat a lot of fish, tinned tuna works well but not sure if it is good to eat too much tinned fish. > > Thing is I would like to be vegetarian again, because I just don't want to support the meat and fish industry, but I don't want to lose the steadiness I have been feeling, because it is relatively new. > > I wondered what other people thought? > > Lucy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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