Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 This was not aimed at you. It was aimed at the person who called me a bigot and left the group. I appreciate your posts on this issue. You clearly know a lot more about this then I. Rufus --- Sally Harvey <sallyannaz wrote: > > --- Rufus Shaw <rufus10_99 wrote: > > I am always amused that the people who push this > > politically correct agenda, do not like to debate > > issues. They will quickly call you names, > condemn > > you, and then run away. > > > > Ummm, I'm about as liberal as they come, and I > believe > I just debated with you. (See previous message) > > Sally > > > > > The New with improved product > search > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Sally, I agree. If you cannot appreciate debate, then a forum is no place to be. Peter --- Rufus Shaw <rufus10_99 wrote: > I am always amused that the people who push this > politically correct agenda, do not like to debate > issues. They will quickly call you names, condemn > you, and then run away. > Ummm, I'm about as liberal as they come, and I believe I just debated with you. (See previous message) Sally The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 This might not be the right place to post this, but I've been wondering if being a vegetarian is not right for me anymore. I'm 31 -- been a vegetarian since age 13. I've always been a kind of lazy vegetarian. I do try to make sure I get my protein, but when life gets hectic, I know I don't do a good job. I've never been very creative with food or have had a lot of time to prepare or buy special food. So... I'm slipping off my steps and wondering if it would help to eat meat? I started eating fish once in a while about two years ago. I've rationalized that to the point where I am ok with it. My husband and I looked at the " free range " chicken in Whole Foods. I just wanted to see what options there were. I'd never go back to red meat, I just have too many issues with that. But I used to love chicken when I was younger. I know everyone is different but I am having such a hard time trying to decide if it is worth trying. I think of the cute little animals and it makes me sad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Hi Christina! From my point of view, I welcome this issue being brought up. I have found we respect each other's choices! As for me, I'm back to eating fish and chicken. This is emotionally hard for me; I love animals. But I am getting better at accepting that I need to do what makes my body, mind and spirit feel as well as possible. One thing--of the many things--that I love about Kathleen's program is how I have learned to know my body so well. I can say to myself that yes, I'd rather be vegan! But that's just not do-able for me. Right now. One day at a time. So, I just thought I'd share this process and let you know that you are not alone in this. My mom, who is just the sweetest person ever, and who is a vegan, encouraged me to eat fish and chicken this way: " Think of Lucy " (her dog) " who is just the dearest being. She eats meat! " Just the way she said it made me laugh and lean a bit more towards accepting my quirky biochemistry. I feel so blessed my mom accepts and embraces me unconditionally, and I believe we all strive toward loving our own " dear " selves that way. Much love to all of you, and whatever you've eaten today; may it have nourished you and pleased you! Janine On Jul 20, 2009, at 1:32 PM, christina_in_va wrote: > This might not be the right place to post this, but I've been > wondering if being a vegetarian is not right for me anymore. I'm 31 > -- been a vegetarian since age 13. I've always been a kind of lazy > vegetarian. I do try to make sure I get my protein, but when life > gets hectic, I know I don't do a good job. I've never been very > creative with food or have had a lot of time to prepare or buy > special food. So... I'm slipping off my steps and wondering if it > would help to eat meat? I started eating fish once in a while about > two years ago. I've rationalized that to the point where I am ok > with it. My husband and I looked at the " free range " chicken in > Whole Foods. I just wanted to see what options there were. I'd never > go back to red meat, I just have too many issues with that. But I > used to love chicken when I was younger. I know everyone is > different but I am having such a hard time trying to decide if it is > worth trying. I think of the cute little animals and it makes me > sad... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Hi Christina, I have struggled with this as well, even though I am quite new to the program. At this point, I have been eating meat because I would be too overwhelmed by developing the steps and doing them without meat. I am glad that you're looking at chooser " kinder " animal options, because that has always sat better with my conscience. Reading back over earlier posts, a number of people said that it helped to express some gratitude before eating meat - that this is a gift that is helping you to heal and to become whole. I still want to go back to being vegan ... eventually. Like Janine said, one thing, one day at a time. On a similar note, my semi-vegan friend and I had a conversation the other day about labels - when you call yourself a vegetarian, than it feels like you're being dishonest if you eat some amount of meat. But if you're just yourself, without any kind of label, it might make it easier to have a meal with chicken or with fish. I suspect that you still will eat less meat than the average Joe, and less is good for animals, too! Good luck, Jessica , Janine Acevedo <janine wrote: > > Hi Christina! > > From my point of view, I welcome this issue being brought up. I have > found we respect each other's choices! > > As for me, I'm back to eating fish and chicken. This is emotionally > hard for me; I love animals. But I am getting better at accepting that > I need to do what makes my body, mind and spirit feel as well as > possible. > > One thing--of the many things--that I love about Kathleen's program is > how I have learned to know my body so well. I can say to myself that > yes, I'd rather be vegan! But that's just not do-able for me. Right > now. One day at a time. > > So, I just thought I'd share this process and let you know that you > are not alone in this. > > My mom, who is just the sweetest person ever, and who is a vegan, > encouraged me to eat fish and chicken this way: " Think of Lucy " (her > dog) " who is just the dearest being. She eats meat! " Just the way she > said it made me laugh and lean a bit more towards accepting my quirky > biochemistry. I feel so blessed my mom accepts and embraces me > unconditionally, and I believe we all strive toward loving our own > " dear " selves that way. > > Much love to all of you, and whatever you've eaten today; may it have > nourished you and pleased you! > > Janine > > On Jul 20, 2009, at 1:32 PM, christina_in_va wrote: > > > This might not be the right place to post this, but I've been > > wondering if being a vegetarian is not right for me anymore. I'm 31 > > -- been a vegetarian since age 13. I've always been a kind of lazy > > vegetarian. I do try to make sure I get my protein, but when life > > gets hectic, I know I don't do a good job. I've never been very > > creative with food or have had a lot of time to prepare or buy > > special food. So... I'm slipping off my steps and wondering if it > > would help to eat meat? I started eating fish once in a while about > > two years ago. I've rationalized that to the point where I am ok > > with it. My husband and I looked at the " free range " chicken in > > Whole Foods. I just wanted to see what options there were. I'd never > > go back to red meat, I just have too many issues with that. But I > > used to love chicken when I was younger. I know everyone is > > different but I am having such a hard time trying to decide if it is > > worth trying. I think of the cute little animals and it makes me > > sad... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Hi Christina, you know, there are quite a few people in RR who were vegetarians when they started but found they just couldn't get the healing they needed without some animal sources. Personally I became vegetarian after many solid years of recovery--and I took two years to fully make that conversion. You are in good company, dear friend! Heather There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. --Albert Einstein ________________________________ christina_in_va <chrissybits Monday, July 20, 2009 4:32:37 PM debating This might not be the right place to post this, but I've been wondering if being a vegetarian is not right for me anymore. I'm 31 -- been a vegetarian since age 13. I've always been a kind of lazy vegetarian. I do try to make sure I get my protein, but when life gets hectic, I know I don't do a good job. I've never been very creative with food or have had a lot of time to prepare or buy special food. So... I'm slipping off my steps and wondering if it would help to eat meat? I started eating fish once in a while about two years ago. I've rationalized that to the point where I am ok with it. My husband and I looked at the " free range " chicken in Whole Foods. I just wanted to see what options there were. I'd never go back to red meat, I just have too many issues with that. But I used to love chicken when I was younger. I know everyone is different but I am having such a hard time trying to decide if it is worth trying. I think of the cute little animals and it makes me sad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Thank you Heather, Jessica and Janine for your thoughtful responses! It really has helped me to think about this and process everything. I really appreciate it! I've gotten to a place where I am ok with eating fish, although it has taken 3 years of baby steps (can't believe it has taken that long). I may just have to " wear " this idea for a while before I can actually do it. But I took my first baby step a few days ago by looking at the free range chicken at Whole Foods. Christina , Heather Butler <hawaiihmb wrote: > > Hi Christina, you know, there are quite a few people in RR who were vegetarians when they started but found they just couldn't get the healing they needed without some animal sources. Personally I became vegetarian after many solid years of recovery--and I took two years to fully make that conversion. You are in good company, dear friend! > > Heather > > There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. > --Albert Einstein > > > > > ________________________________ > christina_in_va <chrissybits > > Monday, July 20, 2009 4:32:37 PM > debating > > > This might not be the right place to post this, but I've been wondering if being a vegetarian is not right for me anymore. I'm 31 -- been a vegetarian since age 13. I've always been a kind of lazy vegetarian. I do try to make sure I get my protein, but when life gets hectic, I know I don't do a good job. I've never been very creative with food or have had a lot of time to prepare or buy special food. So... I'm slipping off my steps and wondering if it would help to eat meat? I started eating fish once in a while about two years ago. I've rationalized that to the point where I am ok with it. My husband and I looked at the " free range " chicken in Whole Foods. I just wanted to see what options there were. I'd never go back to red meat, I just have too many issues with that. But I used to love chicken when I was younger. I know everyone is different but I am having such a hard time trying to decide if it is worth trying. I think of the cute little animals > and it makes me sad... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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