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Hello All

 

I am not a vegetarian but I like to eat a meatless meal usually once a day. I

haven't since I have been on this program (10weeks or so), in fact I hadn't been

doing a good job of it prior either.

 

In my life before RR I had tried over the last two years raw food, food

combining (both raw and cooked) and pH diets and vegeatarian. All of these

plans left me with not enough protein and not enough grains and looking back I

can see how I slid into the yucky place I was prior to starting RR (others

factors as well).

 

I am very successfully on step 4 but I have already changed to all whole grain

browns because I just do not eat anything refined and white and that was long

before RR came along so in a way I am on I guess step 5?

 

Now I am looking for more balance, less meat, and more vegetables. On the PnP

plan I have found I am not eating my veggies because I am so full on my brown

rice (my very favorite brown!!) and my protein (25g per meal, so a little over

3oz in most cases). In fact, I am quite tired of meat (by meat I mean all

forms, not just red, which I rarely eat).

 

I just don't know where to begin. When does your body think beans are protein

and when does it think they are browns? And how do I get enough protein with

beans and still have any room for anything else?

 

Thank you for your help and advice. I have to feed two young children and a

husband as well so any advice for them is also greatly appreciated.

 

Cheers

Cleo

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Hi Cleo, welcome! Isn't it funny how clear hind sight is on what those past

eating programs did to our biochemistry! When I think of the " diets " I did and

just how much it set me up to fall into a dark place with my biochemistry it's

really shocking, and it sure keeps me on the program :).

 

So for me beans are always a protein, I think they are *too* slow of a carb, if

that makes sense! I find it really difficult to get enough protein with just

beans, so I like to combine my sources. One of my favorite meals is a chili made

with beans and cashews, then topped with cheese! I add brown rice for my brown

and then have veggies on the side (there's some in the chili too). We call that

stacking where you have more then one source at a time, and many of us here have

found great success with it.

 

Heather (who's favorite brown is brown rice, too!)

 

There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle.

The other is as though everything is a miracle.

--Albert Einstein

 

 

 

 

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rmrcleo <RMRCLEO

 

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:20:35 AM

New here looking for ideas

 

 

Hello All

 

I am not a vegetarian but I like to eat a meatless meal usually once a day. I

haven't since I have been on this program (10weeks or so), in fact I hadn't been

doing a good job of it prior either.

 

In my life before RR I had tried over the last two years raw food, food

combining (both raw and cooked) and pH diets and vegeatarian. All of these

plans left me with not enough protein and not enough grains and looking back I

can see how I slid into the yucky place I was prior to starting RR (others

factors as well).

 

I am very successfully on step 4 but I have already changed to all whole grain

browns because I just do not eat anything refined and white and that was long

before RR came along so in a way I am on I guess step 5?

 

Now I am looking for more balance, less meat, and more vegetables. On the PnP

plan I have found I am not eating my veggies because I am so full on my brown

rice (my very favorite brown!!) and my protein (25g per meal, so a little over

3oz in most cases). In fact, I am quite tired of meat (by meat I mean all

forms, not just red, which I rarely eat).

 

I just don't know where to begin. When does your body think beans are protein

and when does it think they are browns? And how do I get enough protein with

beans and still have any room for anything else?

 

Thank you for your help and advice. I have to feed two young children and a

husband as well so any advice for them is also greatly appreciated.

 

Cheers

Cleo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, " rmrcleo " <RMRCLEO wrote:

>

> Hello All

>

> I am not a vegetarian but I like to eat a meatless meal usually once a day. I

haven't since I have been on this program (10weeks or so), in fact I hadn't been

doing a good job of it prior either.

>

> In my life before RR I had tried over the last two years raw food, food

combining (both raw and cooked) and pH diets and vegeatarian. All of these

plans left me with not enough protein and not enough grains and looking back I

can see how I slid into the yucky place I was prior to starting RR (others

factors as well).

>

> I am very successfully on step 4 but I have already changed to all whole grain

browns because I just do not eat anything refined and white and that was long

before RR came along so in a way I am on I guess step 5?

>

> Now I am looking for more balance, less meat, and more vegetables. On the PnP

plan I have found I am not eating my veggies because I am so full on my brown

rice (my very favorite brown!!) and my protein (25g per meal, so a little over

3oz in most cases). In fact, I am quite tired of meat (by meat I mean all

forms, not just red, which I rarely eat).

>

> I just don't know where to begin. When does your body think beans are protein

and when does it think they are browns? And how do I get enough protein with

beans and still have any room for anything else?

>

> Thank you for your help and advice. I have to feed two young children and a

husband as well so any advice for them is also greatly appreciated.

>

> Cheers

> Cleo

>

Hi Cleo,

 

Beans and rice, together, give complete protein. Personally, I have done quite

well eating two cups (cooked) of beans with one cup of brown rice (cooked), and

some veggies on the side, for one meal per day. Another meal might be steamed

veggies, two cups of beans (also in the steamer) and two slices of sprouted

whole-grain bread (less volume, over all, than the brown rice meal). My target

for protein is the maximum recommended by DR. D., 42 grams per meal. Some

protein comes from the rice, and some from the bread (5 grams/slice). On other

occasions, I will blend in whole-bean flour (mung beans, for example) to

veggies, soups, stews, or stir-fry, to get to the protein goal in a meal. Whole

Mung bean flour has 12 grams of protein per 1.7 ounces, and can be used as a

batter to coat veggies for stir-frying, even for those of us Vegans who don't

use oil of any kind (it's a way to keep total cholesterol below 150).

 

I'd welcome any thoughts about this approach. I have zero sugar cravings, after

doing this for the past several months.

 

Minnesota Steve

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HI Heather

 

Stacking, I had not heard of that but your chili recipe sounds great. Thanks

for the ideas. I need to lower my cholesterol also. You mentioned no oil to

help in that area. I am not sure how to cook with zero oil, any tips?

 

Thanks again, I am really in need of ideas so I appreciate them all.

 

Cheers

Cleo

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HI Steve

 

More good ideas. Thank you so much. I am glad to see other " mixed " eaters for

lack of a better term. The first few weeks I really needed to be heavy on the

protein (30g vs the 25g for my body) and at first I was eating to light of a

brown.

 

It's interesting that both you and Heather said there is room for veggies this

way. With the meat I am just too full. I am craving more veggies and I am

happy to hear your comments and ideas.

 

Thank you

Cheers

Cleo

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Actually that wasn't me that talked about not cooking with oil. I *need* oil to

stay satisfied between meals and just for overall health :). My hair gets too

dry without it, my brain isn't as clear etc. So personally I'd never advocate

no oil. For me I found my cholesterol lowered greatly as I did the program,

there's a pretty strong link between sugar/insulin and cholesterol. Quite a few

of us in the program have experienced a drop after doing the food, actually!

 

Heather

 

There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle.

The other is as though everything is a miracle.

--Albert Einstein

 

 

 

 

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rmrcleo <RMRCLEO

 

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:28:29 PM

Re: New here looking for ideas

 

 

HI Heather

 

Stacking, I had not heard of that but your chili recipe sounds great. Thanks

for the ideas. I need to lower my cholesterol also. You mentioned no oil to

help in that area. I am not sure how to cook with zero oil, any tips?

 

Thanks again, I am really in need of ideas so I appreciate them all.

 

Cheers

Cleo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, " rmrcleo " <RMRCLEO wrote:

>

> HI Heather

>

> Stacking, I had not heard of that but your chili recipe sounds great. Thanks

for the ideas. I need to lower my cholesterol also. You mentioned no oil to

help in that area. I am not sure how to cook with zero oil, any tips?

>

> Thanks again, I am really in need of ideas so I appreciate them all.

>

> Cheers

> Cleo

>

Hi Cleo,

 

I guess I'm the one who mentioned using no oil. It's a way to get total

cholesterol below 150, and actually reverse heart disease (see " Prevent and

Reverse Heart Disease " by Caldwell Esselstyn, MD). Going without oil is

difficult, but not impossible. I always shunned Teflon pans, but now buy a new

commercial grade pan (about $20) whenever the pan gets scratched. A bit of

water, Bragg's soy sauce, salsa, or lemon juice in the pan helps to keep food

from sticking to the pan. Medium-low heat helps, too. Esselstyn did a 20 year

study, and has documented the reversal of coronary artery disease in almost all

of his patients. It's what lead me to be a vegan. People who used just olive

oil didn't get down to a total cholesterol level of 150 or less in his study, so

he's pretty draconian about using no oils. His basic vegan motto is " never eat

anything that has a mother, or a face. " It's definitely not for everybody, but

it works for me. Baking, boiling, grilling, steaming and broiling also work

without oil. It's also amazing how many foods have added oil.

 

Minnesota Steve

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, " rmrcleo " <RMRCLEO wrote:

>

> HI Heather

>

> Stacking, I had not heard of that but your chili recipe sounds great. Thanks

for the ideas. I need to lower my cholesterol also. You mentioned no oil to

help in that area. I am not sure how to cook with zero oil, any tips?

>

> Thanks again, I am really in need of ideas so I appreciate them all.

>

> Cheers

> Cleo

>

 

Cleo,

 

Your cholesterol will drop as you do the program <smile>

 

Oil is not the issue.

 

kathleen

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I may be out of order here but I am a little worried about hearing 'no oil' as I

know the body needs good fats and although I can't remember the exact chapter I

know this features in PnP.

 

If you are using no evoo then it might be a good idea to get some of the EPA

from the store?

 

I've read a lot of conflicting things about cholesterol but generally what I

gleaned is that if you are eating no animal fats then sugar/refined carbs is the

more likely cause of it being higher.

 

Perhaps it might be safer for you to consult with Kathleen on this one.

 

Jaki

 

 

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skmarden

Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:59 PM

Re: New here looking for ideas

 

 

, " rmrcleo " <RMRCLEO wrote:

>

> HI Heather

>

> Stacking, I had not heard of that but your chili recipe sounds great. Thanks

for the ideas. I need to lower my cholesterol also. You mentioned no oil to help

in that area. I am not sure how to cook with zero oil, any tips?

>

> Thanks again, I am really in need of ideas so I appreciate them all.

>

> Cheers

> Cleo

>

Hi Cleo,

 

I guess I'm the one who mentioned using no oil. It's a way to get total

cholesterol below 150, and actually reverse heart disease (see " Prevent and

Reverse Heart Disease " by Caldwell Esselstyn, MD). Going without oil is

difficult, but not impossible. I always shunned Teflon pans, but now buy a new

commercial grade pan (about $20) whenever the pan gets scratched. A bit of

water, Bragg's soy sauce, salsa, or lemon juice in the pan helps to keep food

from sticking to the pan. Medium-low heat helps, too. Esselstyn did a 20 year

study, and has documented the reversal of coronary artery disease in almost all

of his patients. It's what lead me to be a vegan. People who used just olive oil

didn't get down to a total cholesterol level of 150 or less in his study, so

he's pretty draconian about using no oils. His basic vegan motto is " never eat

anything that has a mother, or a face. " It's definitely not for everybody, but

it works for me. Baking, boiling, grilling, steaming and broiling also work

without oil. It's also amazing how many foods have added oil.

 

Minnesota Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

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