Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Hello All I am not a vegetarian but I like to eat a meatless meal usually once a day. I haven't since I have been on this program (10weeks or so), in fact I hadn't been doing a good job of it prior either. In my life before RR I had tried over the last two years raw food, food combining (both raw and cooked) and pH diets and vegeatarian. All of these plans left me with not enough protein and not enough grains and looking back I can see how I slid into the yucky place I was prior to starting RR (others factors as well). I am very successfully on step 4 but I have already changed to all whole grain browns because I just do not eat anything refined and white and that was long before RR came along so in a way I am on I guess step 5? Now I am looking for more balance, less meat, and more vegetables. On the PnP plan I have found I am not eating my veggies because I am so full on my brown rice (my very favorite brown!!) and my protein (25g per meal, so a little over 3oz in most cases). In fact, I am quite tired of meat (by meat I mean all forms, not just red, which I rarely eat). I just don't know where to begin. When does your body think beans are protein and when does it think they are browns? And how do I get enough protein with beans and still have any room for anything else? Thank you for your help and advice. I have to feed two young children and a husband as well so any advice for them is also greatly appreciated. Cheers Cleo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Hi Cleo, welcome! Isn't it funny how clear hind sight is on what those past eating programs did to our biochemistry! When I think of the " diets " I did and just how much it set me up to fall into a dark place with my biochemistry it's really shocking, and it sure keeps me on the program . So for me beans are always a protein, I think they are *too* slow of a carb, if that makes sense! I find it really difficult to get enough protein with just beans, so I like to combine my sources. One of my favorite meals is a chili made with beans and cashews, then topped with cheese! I add brown rice for my brown and then have veggies on the side (there's some in the chili too). We call that stacking where you have more then one source at a time, and many of us here have found great success with it. Heather (who's favorite brown is brown rice, too!) There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. --Albert Einstein ________________________________ rmrcleo <RMRCLEO Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:20:35 AM New here looking for ideas Hello All I am not a vegetarian but I like to eat a meatless meal usually once a day. I haven't since I have been on this program (10weeks or so), in fact I hadn't been doing a good job of it prior either. In my life before RR I had tried over the last two years raw food, food combining (both raw and cooked) and pH diets and vegeatarian. All of these plans left me with not enough protein and not enough grains and looking back I can see how I slid into the yucky place I was prior to starting RR (others factors as well). I am very successfully on step 4 but I have already changed to all whole grain browns because I just do not eat anything refined and white and that was long before RR came along so in a way I am on I guess step 5? Now I am looking for more balance, less meat, and more vegetables. On the PnP plan I have found I am not eating my veggies because I am so full on my brown rice (my very favorite brown!!) and my protein (25g per meal, so a little over 3oz in most cases). In fact, I am quite tired of meat (by meat I mean all forms, not just red, which I rarely eat). I just don't know where to begin. When does your body think beans are protein and when does it think they are browns? And how do I get enough protein with beans and still have any room for anything else? Thank you for your help and advice. I have to feed two young children and a husband as well so any advice for them is also greatly appreciated. Cheers Cleo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 , " rmrcleo " <RMRCLEO wrote: > > Hello All > > I am not a vegetarian but I like to eat a meatless meal usually once a day. I haven't since I have been on this program (10weeks or so), in fact I hadn't been doing a good job of it prior either. > > In my life before RR I had tried over the last two years raw food, food combining (both raw and cooked) and pH diets and vegeatarian. All of these plans left me with not enough protein and not enough grains and looking back I can see how I slid into the yucky place I was prior to starting RR (others factors as well). > > I am very successfully on step 4 but I have already changed to all whole grain browns because I just do not eat anything refined and white and that was long before RR came along so in a way I am on I guess step 5? > > Now I am looking for more balance, less meat, and more vegetables. On the PnP plan I have found I am not eating my veggies because I am so full on my brown rice (my very favorite brown!!) and my protein (25g per meal, so a little over 3oz in most cases). In fact, I am quite tired of meat (by meat I mean all forms, not just red, which I rarely eat). > > I just don't know where to begin. When does your body think beans are protein and when does it think they are browns? And how do I get enough protein with beans and still have any room for anything else? > > Thank you for your help and advice. I have to feed two young children and a husband as well so any advice for them is also greatly appreciated. > > Cheers > Cleo > Hi Cleo, Beans and rice, together, give complete protein. Personally, I have done quite well eating two cups (cooked) of beans with one cup of brown rice (cooked), and some veggies on the side, for one meal per day. Another meal might be steamed veggies, two cups of beans (also in the steamer) and two slices of sprouted whole-grain bread (less volume, over all, than the brown rice meal). My target for protein is the maximum recommended by DR. D., 42 grams per meal. Some protein comes from the rice, and some from the bread (5 grams/slice). On other occasions, I will blend in whole-bean flour (mung beans, for example) to veggies, soups, stews, or stir-fry, to get to the protein goal in a meal. Whole Mung bean flour has 12 grams of protein per 1.7 ounces, and can be used as a batter to coat veggies for stir-frying, even for those of us Vegans who don't use oil of any kind (it's a way to keep total cholesterol below 150). I'd welcome any thoughts about this approach. I have zero sugar cravings, after doing this for the past several months. Minnesota Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 HI Heather Stacking, I had not heard of that but your chili recipe sounds great. Thanks for the ideas. I need to lower my cholesterol also. You mentioned no oil to help in that area. I am not sure how to cook with zero oil, any tips? Thanks again, I am really in need of ideas so I appreciate them all. Cheers Cleo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 HI Steve More good ideas. Thank you so much. I am glad to see other " mixed " eaters for lack of a better term. The first few weeks I really needed to be heavy on the protein (30g vs the 25g for my body) and at first I was eating to light of a brown. It's interesting that both you and Heather said there is room for veggies this way. With the meat I am just too full. I am craving more veggies and I am happy to hear your comments and ideas. Thank you Cheers Cleo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Actually that wasn't me that talked about not cooking with oil. I *need* oil to stay satisfied between meals and just for overall health . My hair gets too dry without it, my brain isn't as clear etc. So personally I'd never advocate no oil. For me I found my cholesterol lowered greatly as I did the program, there's a pretty strong link between sugar/insulin and cholesterol. Quite a few of us in the program have experienced a drop after doing the food, actually! Heather There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. --Albert Einstein ________________________________ rmrcleo <RMRCLEO Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:28:29 PM Re: New here looking for ideas HI Heather Stacking, I had not heard of that but your chili recipe sounds great. Thanks for the ideas. I need to lower my cholesterol also. You mentioned no oil to help in that area. I am not sure how to cook with zero oil, any tips? Thanks again, I am really in need of ideas so I appreciate them all. Cheers Cleo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 , " rmrcleo " <RMRCLEO wrote: > > HI Heather > > Stacking, I had not heard of that but your chili recipe sounds great. Thanks for the ideas. I need to lower my cholesterol also. You mentioned no oil to help in that area. I am not sure how to cook with zero oil, any tips? > > Thanks again, I am really in need of ideas so I appreciate them all. > > Cheers > Cleo > Hi Cleo, I guess I'm the one who mentioned using no oil. It's a way to get total cholesterol below 150, and actually reverse heart disease (see " Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease " by Caldwell Esselstyn, MD). Going without oil is difficult, but not impossible. I always shunned Teflon pans, but now buy a new commercial grade pan (about $20) whenever the pan gets scratched. A bit of water, Bragg's soy sauce, salsa, or lemon juice in the pan helps to keep food from sticking to the pan. Medium-low heat helps, too. Esselstyn did a 20 year study, and has documented the reversal of coronary artery disease in almost all of his patients. It's what lead me to be a vegan. People who used just olive oil didn't get down to a total cholesterol level of 150 or less in his study, so he's pretty draconian about using no oils. His basic vegan motto is " never eat anything that has a mother, or a face. " It's definitely not for everybody, but it works for me. Baking, boiling, grilling, steaming and broiling also work without oil. It's also amazing how many foods have added oil. Minnesota Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 , " rmrcleo " <RMRCLEO wrote: > > HI Heather > > Stacking, I had not heard of that but your chili recipe sounds great. Thanks for the ideas. I need to lower my cholesterol also. You mentioned no oil to help in that area. I am not sure how to cook with zero oil, any tips? > > Thanks again, I am really in need of ideas so I appreciate them all. > > Cheers > Cleo > Cleo, Your cholesterol will drop as you do the program <smile> Oil is not the issue. kathleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I may be out of order here but I am a little worried about hearing 'no oil' as I know the body needs good fats and although I can't remember the exact chapter I know this features in PnP. If you are using no evoo then it might be a good idea to get some of the EPA from the store? I've read a lot of conflicting things about cholesterol but generally what I gleaned is that if you are eating no animal fats then sugar/refined carbs is the more likely cause of it being higher. Perhaps it might be safer for you to consult with Kathleen on this one. Jaki - skmarden Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:59 PM Re: New here looking for ideas , " rmrcleo " <RMRCLEO wrote: > > HI Heather > > Stacking, I had not heard of that but your chili recipe sounds great. Thanks for the ideas. I need to lower my cholesterol also. You mentioned no oil to help in that area. I am not sure how to cook with zero oil, any tips? > > Thanks again, I am really in need of ideas so I appreciate them all. > > Cheers > Cleo > Hi Cleo, I guess I'm the one who mentioned using no oil. It's a way to get total cholesterol below 150, and actually reverse heart disease (see " Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease " by Caldwell Esselstyn, MD). Going without oil is difficult, but not impossible. I always shunned Teflon pans, but now buy a new commercial grade pan (about $20) whenever the pan gets scratched. A bit of water, Bragg's soy sauce, salsa, or lemon juice in the pan helps to keep food from sticking to the pan. Medium-low heat helps, too. Esselstyn did a 20 year study, and has documented the reversal of coronary artery disease in almost all of his patients. It's what lead me to be a vegan. People who used just olive oil didn't get down to a total cholesterol level of 150 or less in his study, so he's pretty draconian about using no oils. His basic vegan motto is " never eat anything that has a mother, or a face. " It's definitely not for everybody, but it works for me. Baking, boiling, grilling, steaming and broiling also work without oil. It's also amazing how many foods have added oil. Minnesota Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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