Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Hi, all! I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in the program. Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) suggest for breakfast? Thanks! RT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Hi Rick, welcome! I have also noticed how much sugar a typical vegetarian diet includes. It seems like a lot of vegetarian products include sugar, and many of the recipes. But it is definitely possible to do this program and be vegetarian . So it sounds like you are working on Step 1, breakfast! I do shake every morning, using George's Restore from the RR store. It's a whey protein powder. I like to mix it with some brown rice protein powder for my protein. Here's my shake recipe (well right now anyways, I change it up from time to time) 1 cup unsweetened almond milk 1 squirt flax oil 1 scoop George's Restore 1 scoop brown rice protein powder 1/2 banana 1 teaspoon matcha tea 1 teaspoon All-one vitamin powder 1 handful baby spinach (doesn't affect the taste but gets some veggies in) I have my brown on the side, usually hot cereal . I know others here will have some great suggestions for you, too. Oh it just occurred to me I'm going on about breakfast and you may not be familiar with the four parts yet. In case you aren't there's a great write up Kathleen did on the website: http://www.radiantrecovery.com/1r.htm Let us know what questions you have. Heather There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. --Albert Einstein ________________________________ r.tate49 <r.tate49 Fri, October 23, 2009 12:39:53 PM Recovering my veggie diet and my sobriety Hi, all! I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in the program. Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) suggest for breakfast? Thanks! RT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Hey RT! Welcome!! So nice to meet you! My husband is from Texas. I love the way he says " cement " as " cee-ment! " For breakfast, what is your favorite kind of thing to eat? If you like savory flavors, check out Sunshine Burgers. They have a breakfast variety. One of those with some cheese and a protein shake? Sound good? Or one of those with some oatmeal with some protein powder mixed in? Tofu scramble with veggies and hot sauce and potatoes and beans and cheese? Sigh--I just love breakfast! Glad you are here. Glad about your sobriety. Janine On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:39 AM, r.tate49 wrote: > > > Hi, all! > > I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. > Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was > v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat > substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very > sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) > > Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and > haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in > the program. > > Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) > suggest for breakfast? > > Thanks! > > RT > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 RT, For lacto-veg plan, I suggest what I had for breakfast this morning. Canned garbanzo beans and cottage cheese. Devika Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Welcome Rick, My observation is that Vegetarians like their chocolate - myself included, maybe it's a girl thing? Anyway, There are a gazillion kinds of high protein vegetarian sausage out there and I like hot sauce on mine. An easy breakfast is cut up sausage and heat it up with some leftover whole grain, with hot sauce or green or red chile (I'm in New Mexico!) You can throw it all in a nice whole wheat tortilla for a breakfast burrito to go, maybe melt some cheese in it for lactovee's. Of course there's always the standby shake - I find having a piece of toast with it helps " Hold " me until lunch, especially with some almond butter on it. Let us know what you come up with! Another great thing about veggie eating...clean-up is much easier without animal fats! Happy day all, NM Deb , " r.tate49 " <r.tate49 wrote: > > > > Hi, all! > > I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Hi All, I forgot to ask Rick if he were eating meat and just starting to transition to being veg? I have heard that it can be helpful to eat one veg meal a day and the rest with meat, and then when feeling stable, transition to two, and so on. And Deb, I LOVE NM cuisine and always feel so happy to get that " red or green " question when I'm there. Regards, Janine On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:15 AM, cellodeb wrote: > Welcome Rick, > > My observation is that Vegetarians like their chocolate - myself > included, maybe it's a girl thing? > Anyway, There are a gazillion kinds of high protein vegetarian > sausage out there and I like hot sauce on mine. An easy breakfast is > cut up sausage and heat it up with some leftover whole grain, with > hot sauce or green or red chile (I'm in New Mexico!) You can throw > it all in a nice whole wheat tortilla for a breakfast burrito to go, > maybe melt some cheese in it for lactovee's. Of course there's > always the standby shake - I find having a piece of toast with it > helps " Hold " me until lunch, especially with some almond butter on it. > Let us know what you come up with! > Another great thing about veggie eating...clean-up is much easier > without animal fats! > Happy day all, > NM Deb > > , " r.tate49 " <r.tate49 > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, all! > > > > I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Hi Rick, Might be too many transitions at once. Doing the Food Program one step @ a time works. Perhaps you might want to have one v meal a day and take it slowly. Welcome Bob Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® " r.tate49 " <r.tate49 Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:39:53 Recovering my veggie diet and my sobriety Hi, all! I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in the program. Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) suggest for breakfast? Thanks! RT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 hi RT! Congratulations on your 16 months! I was vegetarian for many years also, when I was drinking, & am only now coming back to it in sobriety. I still have non veggie lunch usually. What about lentils with rice & veggies? Or tempeh roasted & served in a bun like a burger with salad? Or a tofu stroganoff [with mushrooms, paprika & cream? Mel , " r.tate49 " <r.tate49 wrote: > > > > Hi, all! > > I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) > > Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in the program. > > Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) suggest for breakfast? > > > Thanks! > > RT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hi Rick, This takes some getting used to but it gets me the protein I need for breakfast every morning. 1 cup each of dry, organic whole grain oatmeal, rye flakes and wheat bran. Put in 1 liter plus bowl.n This is about 42 grams of protein, which is my goal. Adjust to your protein requirement. Heat 1 liter of water to boiling, then pour it over the three cups of grain. Add one or two tablespoons of flaxmeal, and add cinammon (or ground ginger) to taste. That will definitely get you through to lunch! Steve M., Minnesota , " r.tate49 " <r.tate49 wrote: > > > > Hi, all! > > I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) > > Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in the program. > > Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) suggest for breakfast? > > > Thanks! > > RT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hi Steve, wow, 3 cups of dry grain has to be at least 6 cups cooked! That is a whole lot of grain. Can I ask why you are just using grains for your protein for breakfast and not a denser source? Heather There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. --Albert Einstein ________________________________ skmarden <skmarden Wed, October 28, 2009 11:15:17 AM Re: Recovering my veggie diet and my sobriety Hi Rick, This takes some getting used to but it gets me the protein I need for breakfast every morning. 1 cup each of dry, organic whole grain oatmeal, rye flakes and wheat bran. Put in 1 liter plus bowl.n This is about 42 grams of protein, which is my goal. Adjust to your protein requirement. Heat 1 liter of water to boiling, then pour it over the three cups of grain. Add one or two tablespoons of flaxmeal, and add cinammon (or ground ginger) to taste. That will definitely get you through to lunch! Steve M., Minnesota , " r.tate49 " <r.tate49@.. .> wrote: > > > > Hi, all! > > I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) > > Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in the program. > > Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) suggest for breakfast? > > > Thanks! > > RT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hey Steve, I would like to offer some comments on this as an alternative. I honestly would never recommend this as a solution. It is true that oatmeal [10], rye [17] and wheat bran [9] have protein in them. However have 3 cups of dry grain = 9 cups of cooked grain. This is WAAAAAAY too much food for a meal. The whole point of the program is to help you have healthy and balanced meals. So we will have to agree to disagree on this one <smile> kathleen On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:15 AM, skmarden wrote: > Hi Rick, > > This takes some getting used to but it gets me the protein I need > for breakfast every morning. > > 1 cup each of dry, organic whole grain oatmeal, rye flakes and wheat > bran. Put in 1 liter plus bowl.n This is about 42 grams of > protein, which is my goal. Adjust to your protein requirement. > > Heat 1 liter of water to boiling, then pour it over the three cups > of grain. > > Add one or two tablespoons of flaxmeal, and add cinammon (or ground > ginger) to taste. > > That will definitely get you through to lunch! > > Steve M., Minnesota > > , " r.tate49 " <r.tate49 > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, all! >> >> I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. >> Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was >> v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat >> substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very >> sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) >> >> Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and >> haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in >> the program. >> >> Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) >> suggest for breakfast? >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> RT >> > > > > > --- > > > > http://www.radiantrecovery.com > > http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ > > http://www.radiantrecovery.com/classes.htm > > http://www.radiantrecovery.com/cgi-bin/bbs-new/webbbs_config.pl > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hi Heather, Breakfast is definitely my biggest meal of the day. I maintain my cholesterol below 150 to reverse the effects of the fat-based diet that I lived on for 56 years. That means nothing I eat can have more than 10% fat. No animal protein, no avocados, not even olive oil. Soy is high in fat, and not good for men in high quantities. Protein powder is expensive, though I use it on occasion if I haven't planned/prepared ahead of time. For lunch or dinner, I'll eat a can of pinto beans and enough mung bean flour to get to 42 grams of protein, or one dry cup of lentils in a vegetable stock, or 1 dry cup of split peas in a vegetable stock, or a combination of beans, lentils, split peas, whole wheat pasts, etc. to get to 42 grams. I eat raw or boiled veggies and whole grain breads for the carb portion of lunch and dinner, and a sweet potato three hours after dinner. I'm a pretty big guy. This regimen has me feeling great, and losing a couple of pounds a week. As my weight drops, my protein needs will also decrease, and the amount of food that I eat will decrease, accordingly. , Heather Butler <hawaiihmb wrote: > > Hi Steve, wow, 3 cups of dry grain has to be at least 6 cups cooked! That is a whole lot of grain. Can I ask why you are just using grains for your protein for breakfast and not a denser source? > > Heather > > There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. > --Albert Einstein > > > > > ________________________________ > skmarden <skmarden > > Wed, October 28, 2009 11:15:17 AM > Re: Recovering my veggie diet and my sobriety > > > Hi Rick, > > This takes some getting used to but it gets me the protein I need for breakfast every morning. > > 1 cup each of dry, organic whole grain oatmeal, rye flakes and wheat bran. Put in 1 liter plus bowl.n This is about 42 grams of protein, which is my goal. Adjust to your protein requirement. > > Heat 1 liter of water to boiling, then pour it over the three cups of grain. > > Add one or two tablespoons of flaxmeal, and add cinammon (or ground ginger) to taste. > > That will definitely get you through to lunch! > > Steve M., Minnesota > > , " r.tate49 " <r.tate49@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, all! > > > > I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) > > > > Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in the program. > > > > Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) suggest for breakfast? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > RT > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hi Kathleen, I can see why you say that. However, I started this program at over 340 pounds, and am down to 285. Can't eat any animal protein at all, due to cholesterol levels. Not even olive oil. So all of my protein needs to come from plant sources. I eat a lot of lentils and split peas (one dry cup of each per meal) to get the protein I need. Your program is one part of the three-legged stool that I use to stay healthy. Low cholesterol is just as important to me as protein, and my blood type also excludes certain foods from my diet. Steve M. , Kathleen DesMaisons <radiantkd wrote: > > Hey Steve, > > I would like to offer some comments on this as an alternative. I > honestly would never > recommend this as a solution. It is true that oatmeal [10], rye [17] > and wheat bran [9] have protein in them. > However have 3 cups of dry grain = 9 cups of cooked grain. This is > WAAAAAAY too much food for a meal. > > The whole point of the program is to help you have healthy and > balanced meals. > > So we will have to agree to disagree on this one <smile> > > kathleen > > > On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:15 AM, skmarden wrote: > > > Hi Rick, > > > > This takes some getting used to but it gets me the protein I need > > for breakfast every morning. > > > > 1 cup each of dry, organic whole grain oatmeal, rye flakes and wheat > > bran. Put in 1 liter plus bowl.n This is about 42 grams of > > protein, which is my goal. Adjust to your protein requirement. > > > > Heat 1 liter of water to boiling, then pour it over the three cups > > of grain. > > > > Add one or two tablespoons of flaxmeal, and add cinammon (or ground > > ginger) to taste. > > > > That will definitely get you through to lunch! > > > > Steve M., Minnesota > > > > , " r.tate49 " <r.tate49@> > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi, all! > >> > >> I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. > >> Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was > >> v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat > >> substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very > >> sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) > >> > >> Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and > >> haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in > >> the program. > >> > >> Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) > >> suggest for breakfast? > >> > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> RT > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > http://www.radiantrecovery.com > > > > http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ > > > > http://www.radiantrecovery.com/classes.htm > > > > http://www.radiantrecovery.com/cgi-bin/bbs-new/webbbs_config.pl > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hi Steve, Ok, so it sounds as if you are all set with your own program. I will reply to your note to heather. kathleen On Oct 29, 2009, at 10:15 AM, skmarden wrote: > Hi Kathleen, > > I can see why you say that. However, I started this program at over > 340 pounds, and am down to 285. Can't eat any animal protein at > all, due to cholesterol levels. Not even olive oil. So all of my > protein needs to come from plant sources. I eat a lot of lentils > and split peas (one dry cup of each per meal) to get the protein I > need. Your program is one part of the three-legged stool that I use > to stay healthy. Low cholesterol is just as important to me as > protein, and my blood type also excludes certain foods from my diet. > > Steve M. > > > > > > , Kathleen DesMaisons > <radiantkd wrote: >> >> Hey Steve, >> >> I would like to offer some comments on this as an alternative. I >> honestly would never >> recommend this as a solution. It is true that oatmeal [10], rye [17] >> and wheat bran [9] have protein in them. >> However have 3 cups of dry grain = 9 cups of cooked grain. This is >> WAAAAAAY too much food for a meal. >> >> The whole point of the program is to help you have healthy and >> balanced meals. >> >> So we will have to agree to disagree on this one <smile> >> >> kathleen >> >> >> On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:15 AM, skmarden wrote: >> >>> Hi Rick, >>> >>> This takes some getting used to but it gets me the protein I need >>> for breakfast every morning. >>> >>> 1 cup each of dry, organic whole grain oatmeal, rye flakes and wheat >>> bran. Put in 1 liter plus bowl.n This is about 42 grams of >>> protein, which is my goal. Adjust to your protein requirement. >>> >>> Heat 1 liter of water to boiling, then pour it over the three cups >>> of grain. >>> >>> Add one or two tablespoons of flaxmeal, and add cinammon (or ground >>> ginger) to taste. >>> >>> That will definitely get you through to lunch! >>> >>> Steve M., Minnesota >>> >>> , " r.tate49 " <r.tate49@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, all! >>>> >>>> I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. >>>> Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was >>>> v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat >>>> substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very >>>> sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) >>>> >>>> Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and >>>> haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in >>>> the program. >>>> >>>> Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) >>>> suggest for breakfast? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> RT >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.radiantrecovery.com >>> >>> http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ >>> >>> http://www.radiantrecovery.com/classes.htm >>> >>> http://www.radiantrecovery.com/cgi-bin/bbs-new/webbbs_config.pl >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 > HI steve, I am going to comment on this. We will simply have to agree to disagree about the advisability of what you are doing. There are many differences of opinion about why cholesterol goes up. I have seen hundreds of people whose cholesterol has dropped more than 100 points while doing this program. And they were eating eggs, meat, etc. I agree that vegetable protein is a great option. But excluding all fats from your diet is a major mistake in my opinion. Omega 3 fatty acids and olive and avocado increase good cholesterol. We can agree to disagree, but in my opinion, you are setting yourself up for real problems down the line. kathleen > > Breakfast is definitely my biggest meal of the day. I maintain my > cholesterol below 150 to reverse the effects of the fat-based diet > that I lived on for 56 years. That means nothing I eat can have > more than 10% fat. No animal protein, no avocados, not even olive > oil. Soy is high in fat, and not good for men in high quantities. > Protein powder is expensive, though I use it on occasion if I > haven't planned/prepared ahead of time. For lunch or dinner, I'll > eat a can of pinto beans and enough mung bean flour to get to 42 > grams of protein, or one dry cup of lentils in a vegetable stock, or > 1 dry cup of split peas in a vegetable stock, or a combination of > beans, lentils, split peas, whole wheat pasts, etc. to get to 42 > grams. I eat raw or boiled veggies and whole grain breads for the > carb portion of lunch and dinner, and a sweet potato three hours > after dinner. > > I'm a pretty big guy. This regimen has me feeling great, and losing > a couple of pounds a week. As my weight drops, my protein needs > will also decrease, and the amount of food that I eat will decrease, > accordingly. > > , Heather Butler > <hawaiihmb wrote: >> >> Hi Steve, wow, 3 cups of dry grain has to be at least 6 cups >> cooked! That is a whole lot of grain. Can I ask why you are just >> using grains for your protein for breakfast and not a denser source? >> >> Heather >> >> There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a >> miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. >> --Albert Einstein >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> skmarden <skmarden >> >> Wed, October 28, 2009 11:15:17 AM >> Re: Recovering my veggie diet and my >> sobriety >> >> >> Hi Rick, >> >> This takes some getting used to but it gets me the protein I need >> for breakfast every morning. >> >> 1 cup each of dry, organic whole grain oatmeal, rye flakes and >> wheat bran. Put in 1 liter plus bowl.n This is about 42 grams of >> protein, which is my goal. Adjust to your protein requirement. >> >> Heat 1 liter of water to boiling, then pour it over the three cups >> of grain. >> >> Add one or two tablespoons of flaxmeal, and add cinammon (or ground >> ginger) to taste. >> >> That will definitely get you through to lunch! >> >> Steve M., Minnesota >> >> , " r.tate49 " >> <r.tate49@ .> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, all! >>> >>> I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. >>> Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was >>> v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat >>> substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very >>> sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) >>> >>> Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and >>> haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in >>> the program. >>> >>> Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) >>> suggest for breakfast? >>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> RT >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I do get my Omega3's through flaxmeal. What are the problems down the line that you refer to? , Kathleen DesMaisons <radiantkd wrote: > > > HI steve, > > I am going to comment on this. We will simply have to agree to > disagree about the advisability of what you are doing. > > There are many differences of opinion about why cholesterol goes up. I > have seen hundreds of people whose cholesterol has dropped more than > 100 points while doing this program. And they were eating eggs, meat, > etc. I agree that vegetable protein is a great option. But excluding > all fats from your diet is a major mistake in my opinion. Omega 3 > fatty acids and olive and avocado increase good cholesterol. > We can agree to disagree, but in my opinion, you are setting yourself > up for real problems down the line. > > kathleen > > > > Breakfast is definitely my biggest meal of the day. I maintain my > > cholesterol below 150 to reverse the effects of the fat-based diet > > that I lived on for 56 years. That means nothing I eat can have > > more than 10% fat. No animal protein, no avocados, not even olive > > oil. Soy is high in fat, and not good for men in high quantities. > > Protein powder is expensive, though I use it on occasion if I > > haven't planned/prepared ahead of time. For lunch or dinner, I'll > > eat a can of pinto beans and enough mung bean flour to get to 42 > > grams of protein, or one dry cup of lentils in a vegetable stock, or > > 1 dry cup of split peas in a vegetable stock, or a combination of > > beans, lentils, split peas, whole wheat pasts, etc. to get to 42 > > grams. I eat raw or boiled veggies and whole grain breads for the > > carb portion of lunch and dinner, and a sweet potato three hours > > after dinner. > > > > I'm a pretty big guy. This regimen has me feeling great, and losing > > a couple of pounds a week. As my weight drops, my protein needs > > will also decrease, and the amount of food that I eat will decrease, > > accordingly. > > > > , Heather Butler > > <hawaiihmb@> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Steve, wow, 3 cups of dry grain has to be at least 6 cups > >> cooked! That is a whole lot of grain. Can I ask why you are just > >> using grains for your protein for breakfast and not a denser source? > >> > >> Heather > >> > >> There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a > >> miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. > >> --Albert Einstein > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> skmarden <skmarden@> > >> > >> Wed, October 28, 2009 11:15:17 AM > >> Re: Recovering my veggie diet and my > >> sobriety > >> > >> > >> Hi Rick, > >> > >> This takes some getting used to but it gets me the protein I need > >> for breakfast every morning. > >> > >> 1 cup each of dry, organic whole grain oatmeal, rye flakes and > >> wheat bran. Put in 1 liter plus bowl.n This is about 42 grams of > >> protein, which is my goal. Adjust to your protein requirement. > >> > >> Heat 1 liter of water to boiling, then pour it over the three cups > >> of grain. > >> > >> Add one or two tablespoons of flaxmeal, and add cinammon (or ground > >> ginger) to taste. > >> > >> That will definitely get you through to lunch! > >> > >> Steve M., Minnesota > >> > >> , " r.tate49 " > >> <r.tate49@ .> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi, all! > >>> > >>> I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. > >>> Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was > >>> v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat > >>> substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very > >>> sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) > >>> > >>> Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and > >>> haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in > >>> the program. > >>> > >>> Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) > >>> suggest for breakfast? > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> RT > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hi Steve, Sounds like you have a handle on what is working for you. I really prefer not to derail the purpose of the list which is to support people in doing the program to get into a whole discussion about your plan. You can take what works for you and incorporate it as you like in your own plan. warmly, kathleen On Oct 29, 2009, at 2:04 PM, skmarden wrote: > I do get my Omega3's through flaxmeal. What are the problems down > the line that you refer to? > > , Kathleen DesMaisons > <radiantkd wrote: >> >>> HI steve, >> >> I am going to comment on this. We will simply have to agree to >> disagree about the advisability of what you are doing. >> >> There are many differences of opinion about why cholesterol goes >> up. I >> have seen hundreds of people whose cholesterol has dropped more than >> 100 points while doing this program. And they were eating eggs, meat, >> etc. I agree that vegetable protein is a great option. But excluding >> all fats from your diet is a major mistake in my opinion. Omega 3 >> fatty acids and olive and avocado increase good cholesterol. >> We can agree to disagree, but in my opinion, you are setting yourself >> up for real problems down the line. >> >> kathleen >>> >>> Breakfast is definitely my biggest meal of the day. I maintain my >>> cholesterol below 150 to reverse the effects of the fat-based diet >>> that I lived on for 56 years. That means nothing I eat can have >>> more than 10% fat. No animal protein, no avocados, not even olive >>> oil. Soy is high in fat, and not good for men in high quantities. >>> Protein powder is expensive, though I use it on occasion if I >>> haven't planned/prepared ahead of time. For lunch or dinner, I'll >>> eat a can of pinto beans and enough mung bean flour to get to 42 >>> grams of protein, or one dry cup of lentils in a vegetable stock, or >>> 1 dry cup of split peas in a vegetable stock, or a combination of >>> beans, lentils, split peas, whole wheat pasts, etc. to get to 42 >>> grams. I eat raw or boiled veggies and whole grain breads for the >>> carb portion of lunch and dinner, and a sweet potato three hours >>> after dinner. >>> >>> I'm a pretty big guy. This regimen has me feeling great, and losing >>> a couple of pounds a week. As my weight drops, my protein needs >>> will also decrease, and the amount of food that I eat will decrease, >>> accordingly. >>> >>> , Heather Butler >>> <hawaiihmb@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Steve, wow, 3 cups of dry grain has to be at least 6 cups >>>> cooked! That is a whole lot of grain. Can I ask why you are just >>>> using grains for your protein for breakfast and not a denser >>>> source? >>>> >>>> Heather >>>> >>>> There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a >>>> miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. >>>> --Albert Einstein >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> skmarden <skmarden@> >>>> >>>> Wed, October 28, 2009 11:15:17 AM >>>> Re: Recovering my veggie diet and my >>>> sobriety >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Rick, >>>> >>>> This takes some getting used to but it gets me the protein I need >>>> for breakfast every morning. >>>> >>>> 1 cup each of dry, organic whole grain oatmeal, rye flakes and >>>> wheat bran. Put in 1 liter plus bowl.n This is about 42 grams of >>>> protein, which is my goal. Adjust to your protein requirement. >>>> >>>> Heat 1 liter of water to boiling, then pour it over the three cups >>>> of grain. >>>> >>>> Add one or two tablespoons of flaxmeal, and add cinammon (or ground >>>> ginger) to taste. >>>> >>>> That will definitely get you through to lunch! >>>> >>>> Steve M., Minnesota >>>> >>>> , " r.tate49 " >>>> <r.tate49@ .> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, all! >>>>> >>>>> I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. >>>>> Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was >>>>> v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat >>>>> substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very >>>>> sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) >>>>> >>>>> Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and >>>>> haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in >>>>> the program. >>>>> >>>>> Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) >>>>> suggest for breakfast? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> RT >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Kathleen, I really do appreciate the warning. The " denser protein " component does make a lot of sense to me, to avoid too much whole grain at one meal. Thanks! : ) Steve M. , Kathleen DesMaisons <radiantkd wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Sounds like you have a handle on what is working for you. > I really prefer not to derail the purpose of the list which is to > support people in doing the program > to get into a whole discussion about your plan. > > You can take what works for you and incorporate it as you like in your > own plan. > > warmly, > kathleen > On Oct 29, 2009, at 2:04 PM, skmarden wrote: > > > I do get my Omega3's through flaxmeal. What are the problems down > > the line that you refer to? > > > > , Kathleen DesMaisons > > <radiantkd@> wrote: > >> > >>> HI steve, > >> > >> I am going to comment on this. We will simply have to agree to > >> disagree about the advisability of what you are doing. > >> > >> There are many differences of opinion about why cholesterol goes > >> up. I > >> have seen hundreds of people whose cholesterol has dropped more than > >> 100 points while doing this program. And they were eating eggs, meat, > >> etc. I agree that vegetable protein is a great option. But excluding > >> all fats from your diet is a major mistake in my opinion. Omega 3 > >> fatty acids and olive and avocado increase good cholesterol. > >> We can agree to disagree, but in my opinion, you are setting yourself > >> up for real problems down the line. > >> > >> kathleen > >>> > >>> Breakfast is definitely my biggest meal of the day. I maintain my > >>> cholesterol below 150 to reverse the effects of the fat-based diet > >>> that I lived on for 56 years. That means nothing I eat can have > >>> more than 10% fat. No animal protein, no avocados, not even olive > >>> oil. Soy is high in fat, and not good for men in high quantities. > >>> Protein powder is expensive, though I use it on occasion if I > >>> haven't planned/prepared ahead of time. For lunch or dinner, I'll > >>> eat a can of pinto beans and enough mung bean flour to get to 42 > >>> grams of protein, or one dry cup of lentils in a vegetable stock, or > >>> 1 dry cup of split peas in a vegetable stock, or a combination of > >>> beans, lentils, split peas, whole wheat pasts, etc. to get to 42 > >>> grams. I eat raw or boiled veggies and whole grain breads for the > >>> carb portion of lunch and dinner, and a sweet potato three hours > >>> after dinner. > >>> > >>> I'm a pretty big guy. This regimen has me feeling great, and losing > >>> a couple of pounds a week. As my weight drops, my protein needs > >>> will also decrease, and the amount of food that I eat will decrease, > >>> accordingly. > >>> > >>> , Heather Butler > >>> <hawaiihmb@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Steve, wow, 3 cups of dry grain has to be at least 6 cups > >>>> cooked! That is a whole lot of grain. Can I ask why you are just > >>>> using grains for your protein for breakfast and not a denser > >>>> source? > >>>> > >>>> Heather > >>>> > >>>> There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a > >>>> miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. > >>>> --Albert Einstein > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> skmarden <skmarden@> > >>>> > >>>> Wed, October 28, 2009 11:15:17 AM > >>>> Re: Recovering my veggie diet and my > >>>> sobriety > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi Rick, > >>>> > >>>> This takes some getting used to but it gets me the protein I need > >>>> for breakfast every morning. > >>>> > >>>> 1 cup each of dry, organic whole grain oatmeal, rye flakes and > >>>> wheat bran. Put in 1 liter plus bowl.n This is about 42 grams of > >>>> protein, which is my goal. Adjust to your protein requirement. > >>>> > >>>> Heat 1 liter of water to boiling, then pour it over the three cups > >>>> of grain. > >>>> > >>>> Add one or two tablespoons of flaxmeal, and add cinammon (or ground > >>>> ginger) to taste. > >>>> > >>>> That will definitely get you through to lunch! > >>>> > >>>> Steve M., Minnesota > >>>> > >>>> , " r.tate49 " > >>>> <r.tate49@ .> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, all! > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm Rick T., a 16 mo. recovering alkie and former 20 yr. veggie. > >>>>> Haven't been veggie since '88, and am beginning again. When I was > >>>>> v., I noticed that they ate lots of sugar. I am sure the meat > >>>>> substitutes had lots of MSG for flavor, and am consequently very > >>>>> sensitive to that also. (Migraines.) > >>>>> > >>>>> Have known about K's work for years, cut way back on sugar, and > >>>>> haven't eaten many whites for years, but haven't fully engaged in > >>>>> the program. > >>>>> > >>>>> Some q's--- As lacto-v., (no eggs), what do ya'll (I'm Texan) > >>>>> suggest for breakfast? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks! > >>>>> > >>>>> RT > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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