Feeling discouraged

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

 

Well, I'm feeling very discouraged today. Last week I had " symptoms " for

about 3 days, and this week I've been really having trouble since Monday, for

4 days now. Today I had to cancel a hike I've been looking forward to

because my intestines aren't cooperating. Lots of pain, gas, diarrhea and

bloating. Last week I figured out what the problem was: I had bought what I

thought was 100% buckwheat kasha, and had it for a few days in a row, then

started feeling symptoms. I then took a closer look at the grains, and

realized that there had to be other grains in there besides kasha. I hadn't

noticed it before. I really need to stop buying things from the bulk bins,

but it's so tough not to, because prepackaged items are so much more

expensive, and less environment-friendly.

 

This week, the only thing I could think of that I ate that was questionable

was I had made some salad dressing, and one of the ingredients was

nutritional yeast. I have seen this on some of the food-avoidance lists, but

I've also seen it listed as OK, too. So I decided to give it a try, because

I really love nutritional yeast. I had a salad with this dressing 3 days in

a row, but didn't make the connection until last night.

 

I really need to start being ultra careful with what I eat, or I'm not going

to get better. I keep having these setbacks, and then realizing later it was

something I ate. I have cut gluten out of my life, but there's still a few

items that keep sneaking in sometimes Did any of you experience problems

like this when you first started the diet? I'm very careful about reading

labels, but I have to admit that sometimes I think to myself, " well, such a

small amount isn't going to do any harm " . Well, it does me alot of harm, and

I end up paying for it for 3 or 4 days. I think I'm still in a little bit of

denial, because I don't want to have this disease. I want to eat my favorite

things, and not worry about it. So I think this attitude is making me a

little sloppy with my food.

 

Anyway, this is getting too long, so I'd better end for now. I guess I just

want to know that I'm not alone, because I'm really having a tough time.

Actually, I've had alot of really good days, it's just when my stomach is

hurting like this, it really clouds my thinking, and I get really depressed

and negative.

 

Hanging in there,

 

Christine

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Christine,

 

You are not alone. I am sorry that you are feeling so poorly. May

the good days be much more frequent than the bad. Giving up gluten

is very difficult because it is hidden in so many foods.

 

My dh goes through what you have described, and finds much benefit

from taking a vegan digestive enzyme with every meal. It really

helps alot. Maybe something like that would be helpful to you also.

 

Hang in there. . .

LaDonna

 

, CATTZEYE77@a... wrote:

> Anyway, this is getting too long, so I'd better end for now. I

guess I just

> want to know that I'm not alone, because I'm really having a tough

time.

> Actually, I've had alot of really good days, it's just when my

stomach is

> hurting like this, it really clouds my thinking, and I get really

depressed

> and negative.

>

> Hanging in there,

>

> Christine

[Guest guest]

Hello:

 

I have had a bit of a setback in the last day and am hoping that someone here

may have some suggestions and encouragement. Basically I am discouraged with

the fact that it is so hard to get enough protein when you are vegetarian.

Kathleen mentions that you should make sure to eat foods you like, but I

honestly don't like much of anything that contains protein. I used to own a

bakery and pretty much all of my diet for many years has revolved around baked

goods.

 

I just started step 3 and have basically added protein items to the things that

I would normally eat. I was so overfull last night that I thought my stomach

would explode. Obviously I need to eat less, but I can't imagine giving up the

things I like to eat (I want to give up the protein because I'm just forcing

myself to eat it after I eat my regular meal). Any thoughts and ideas? My

palate just isn't satisfied with a protein type meal. So I am feeling sorry for

myself and thinking how lucky are the people that look forward to eating

chicken!

 

Ideas?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Christine

[Guest guest]

Hi Christine,

 

Can you tell us more about what all you don't like to eat? My veggie proteins

include:

 

Tofu

Eggs

Beans of all kinds (black, pinto, white, garbanzo)

Cheese as an add-on

Nuts as an add-on

 

From what you describe, it sounds like you have " protein " in a lump on your

plate surrounded by other things you like to eat better. For me, I get a lot of

my protein mixed with other things, so I eat soups and stews and casseroles,

frittatas and omelets. I wouldn't like to eat a big pile of beans either, but I

love soup and casserole made with beans.

 

Tell us what you like to eat (not just protein, but the other things) and what

is hard. Maybe we can find a way to combine your protein with the more appealing

foods.

 

Sharon

 

 

 

________________________________

c_f_jackson <bcjackson8

 

Fri, February 5, 2010 8:42:19 AM

Feeling discouraged

 

 

Hello:

 

I have had a bit of a setback in the last day and am hoping that someone here

may have some suggestions and encouragement. Basically I am discouraged with

the fact that it is so hard to get enough protein when you are vegetarian.

Kathleen mentions that you should make sure to eat foods you like, but I

honestly don't like much of anything that contains protein. I used to own a

bakery and pretty much all of my diet for many years has revolved around baked

goods.

 

I just started step 3 and have basically added protein items to the things that

I would normally eat. I was so overfull last night that I thought my stomach

would explode. Obviously I need to eat less, but I can't imagine giving up the

things I like to eat (I want to give up the protein because I'm just forcing

myself to eat it after I eat my regular meal). Any thoughts and ideas? My

palate just isn't satisfied with a protein type meal. So I am feeling sorry for

myself and thinking how lucky are the people that look forward to eating

chicken!

 

Ideas?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Christine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Christine,

Glad I just happened to check my email. I wanted to let you know that

I was thinking of you, and I'm sure that things will work out for you

food-wise. I would love to help you brainstorm and think of meals that

would support your being on step 3.

 

What kinds of breakfasts are you eating these days and how are you

feeling about what you've been having for breakfast? When you say you

have to force yourself to eat protein after your regular meal, can I

ask what your regular meal often is? Maybe we can find ways to

incorporate the protein right into the meal so it feels like an

integrated part of the meal.

 

Did you see a recent suggestion about making waffles with plenty of

protein powder? Topped with yogurt and some almonds...that sounds like

a yummy meal any time of the day. Probably not the amount of protein

you are aiming for in each meal, but maybe a good start as your

stomach adjusts and your body heals.

 

You are totally not alone: so many people starting this program have a

history of eating white flour products and or sugar for every single

meal and snack.

 

I'm hoping that you can be gentle with yourself, thanks for reaching

out, and I know you'll get loads of great ideas here!

: ) Janine

 

 

On Feb 5, 2010, at 8:42 AM, c_f_jackson wrote:

 

> Hello:

>

> I have had a bit of a setback in the last day and am hoping that

> someone here may have some suggestions and encouragement. Basically

> I am discouraged with the fact that it is so hard to get enough

> protein when you are vegetarian. Kathleen mentions that you should

> make sure to eat foods you like, but I honestly don't like much of

> anything that contains protein. I used to own a bakery and pretty

> much all of my diet for many years has revolved around baked goods.

>

> I just started step 3 and have basically added protein items to the

> things that I would normally eat. I was so overfull last night that

> I thought my stomach would explode. Obviously I need to eat less,

> but I can't imagine giving up the things I like to eat (I want to

> give up the protein because I'm just forcing myself to eat it after

> I eat my regular meal). Any thoughts and ideas? My palate just isn't

> satisfied with a protein type meal. So I am feeling sorry for myself

> and thinking how lucky are the people that look forward to eating

> chicken!

>

> Ideas?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Christine

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Janine:

 

Thanks for your suggestions. I am doing the George's shake for breakfast, and

that actually works okay for me. Lunch and dinner are the bigger challenge. I

have been fixing something that fits into the plan (tempeh or other such), but

find that I still want what I would usually eat which together is really too

many calories and I'm way too full.

 

I like the pancake idea - thanks!

 

, Janine Acevedo <janine wrote:

>

> Hi Christine,

> Glad I just happened to check my email. I wanted to let you know that

> I was thinking of you, and I'm sure that things will work out for you

> food-wise. I would love to help you brainstorm and think of meals that

> would support your being on step 3.

>

> What kinds of breakfasts are you eating these days and how are you

> feeling about what you've been having for breakfast? When you say you

> have to force yourself to eat protein after your regular meal, can I

> ask what your regular meal often is? Maybe we can find ways to

> incorporate the protein right into the meal so it feels like an

> integrated part of the meal.

>

> Did you see a recent suggestion about making waffles with plenty of

> protein powder? Topped with yogurt and some almonds...that sounds like

> a yummy meal any time of the day. Probably not the amount of protein

> you are aiming for in each meal, but maybe a good start as your

> stomach adjusts and your body heals.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm still online so I thought I'd chime in again! Christine, have you

been a vegetarian for a long time, or is it something new you are

trying? Whatever supports your well being best, I encourage you to go

for that. For example, some of us are totally veg, others are

incorporating some veg meals...whatever works. Have you ever had

sausage with your pasta, sliced very thin and grilled until a bit

crispy, then mixed into your pasta and whatever sauce you got going on?

Janine

 

 

On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:15 AM, c_f_jackson wrote:

 

>

> Thanks Sharon:

>

> It's not really that I " dislike " the items on your list, but I don't

> feel satisfied from a taste perspective when I eat them. If not

> doing this diet, my lunch/dinner would be a large slice of homemade

> white bread, croissant or pasta. When I add the protein I am too

> full and since my main goal here is to lose weight, it bothers me to

> eat something that I'm not really excited about.

>

> , Sharon Wylie

> <swylie2002 wrote:

> >

> > Hi Christine,

> >

> > Can you tell us more about what all you don't like to eat? My

> veggie proteins include:

> >

> > Tofu

> > Eggs

> > Beans of all kinds (black, pinto, white, garbanzo)

> > Cheese as an add-on

> > Nuts as an add-on

> >

> > From what you describe, it sounds like you have " protein " in a

> lump on your plate surrounded by other things you like to eat

> better. For me, I get a lot of my protein mixed with other things,

> so I eat soups and stews and casseroles, frittatas and omelets. I

> wouldn't like to eat a big pile of beans either, but I love soup and

> casserole made with beans.

> >

> > Tell us what you like to eat (not just protein, but the other

> things) and what is hard. Maybe we can find a way to combine your

> protein with the more appealing foods.

> >

> > Sharon

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > c_f_jackson <bcjackson8

> >

> > Fri, February 5, 2010 8:42:19 AM

> > Feeling discouraged

> >

> >

> > Hello:

> >

> > I have had a bit of a setback in the last day and am hoping that

> someone here may have some suggestions and encouragement. Basically

> I am discouraged with the fact that it is so hard to get enough

> protein when you are vegetarian. Kathleen mentions that you should

> make sure to eat foods you like, but I honestly don't like much of

> anything that contains protein. I used to own a bakery and pretty

> much all of my diet for many years has revolved around baked goods.

> >

> > I just started step 3 and have basically added protein items to

> the things that I would normally eat. I was so overfull last night

> that I thought my stomach would explode. Obviously I need to eat

> less, but I can't imagine giving up the things I like to eat (I want

> to give up the protein because I'm just forcing myself to eat it

> after I eat my regular meal). Any thoughts and ideas? My palate just

> isn't satisfied with a protein type meal. So I am feeling sorry for

> myself and thinking how lucky are the people that look forward to

> eating chicken!

> >

> > Ideas?

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > Christine

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Christine

 

I've read through your exchanges today and I think pancakes or waffles are the

place to start.

 

You sound like me - I hadn't had a normal meal in years.

 

You will be amazed at how you feel once you get protein in.

 

If you don't change anything nothing will change, right?

 

Mel

 

 

 

-- Sent from my Palm Prē

c_f_jackson wrote:

 

Hello:

 

 

 

I have had a bit of a setback in the last day and am hoping that someone here

may have some suggestions and encouragement. Basically I am discouraged with

the fact that it is so hard to get enough protein when you are vegetarian.

Kathleen mentions that you should make sure to eat foods you like, but I

honestly don't like much of anything that contains protein. I used to own a

bakery and pretty much all of my diet for many years has revolved around baked

goods.

 

 

 

I just started step 3 and have basically added protein items to the things that

I would normally eat. I was so overfull last night that I thought my stomach

would explode. Obviously I need to eat less, but I can't imagine giving up the

things I like to eat (I want to give up the protein because I'm just forcing

myself to eat it after I eat my regular meal). Any thoughts and ideas? My

palate just isn't satisfied with a protein type meal. So I am feeling sorry for

myself and thinking how lucky are the people that look forward to eating

chicken!

 

 

 

Ideas?

 

 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

 

 

Christine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Christine, sorry you are feeling so discouraged!

 

What are you doing for breakfast now? I have a shake with protein powder, and

then my brown on the side. Over the years I've had lots of different types of

breakfast, almost always vegetarian, even when I wasn't a vegetarian . I've

done eggs with lentils and spinach, homemade crepes with cottage cheese in the

middle, " high protein pancakes " (on the RR website), and even just a traditional

omelet with toast. Now that I am vegetarian I find I eat some of these

breakfast foods at other meals, too.

 

Heather

 

There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle.

The other is as though everything is a miracle.

--Albert Einstein

 

 

 

 

________________________________

c_f_jackson <bcjackson8

 

Fri, February 5, 2010 11:42:19 AM

Feeling discouraged

 

 

Hello:

 

I have had a bit of a setback in the last day and am hoping that someone here

may have some suggestions and encouragement. Basically I am discouraged with

the fact that it is so hard to get enough protein when you are vegetarian.

Kathleen mentions that you should make sure to eat foods you like, but I

honestly don't like much of anything that contains protein. I used to own a

bakery and pretty much all of my diet for many years has revolved around baked

goods.

 

I just started step 3 and have basically added protein items to the things that

I would normally eat. I was so overfull last night that I thought my stomach

would explode. Obviously I need to eat less, but I can't imagine giving up the

things I like to eat (I want to give up the protein because I'm just forcing

myself to eat it after I eat my regular meal). Any thoughts and ideas? My

palate just isn't satisfied with a protein type meal. So I am feeling sorry for

myself and thinking how lucky are the people that look forward to eating

chicken!

 

Ideas?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Christine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Christine,

 

One source of concentrated vegetable protein is textured vegetable protein

(tvp). It can be baked it into bread, cookies, and other baked goods. Same for

brown rice powdered protein. It really cuts down on the volume (.5 cup = 40

grams of protein; 1 tbsp = 5 g). I love the stuff! I like to add cinnamon or

garlic or ginger or any other kind of spice. I use a bit more spice than

normal, as soy products (like tvp) tend to absorb flavors like a little vacuum.

 

: )

 

Steve

 

, " c_f_jackson " <bcjackson8 wrote:

>

> Hello:

>

> I have had a bit of a setback in the last day and am hoping that someone here

may have some suggestions and encouragement. Basically I am discouraged with

the fact that it is so hard to get enough protein when you are vegetarian.

Kathleen mentions that you should make sure to eat foods you like, but I

honestly don't like much of anything that contains protein. I used to own a

bakery and pretty much all of my diet for many years has revolved around baked

goods.

>

> I just started step 3 and have basically added protein items to the things

that I would normally eat. I was so overfull last night that I thought my

stomach would explode. Obviously I need to eat less, but I can't imagine giving

up the things I like to eat (I want to give up the protein because I'm just

forcing myself to eat it after I eat my regular meal). Any thoughts and ideas?

My palate just isn't satisfied with a protein type meal. So I am feeling sorry

for myself and thinking how lucky are the people that look forward to eating

chicken!

>

> Ideas?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Christine

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Steve! I haven't tried TVP, but it sounds interesting. Does it work

better for you than protein powder?

 

Thanks, Christine

, " skmarden " <skmarden wrote:

>

> Hi Christine,

>

> One source of concentrated vegetable protein is textured vegetable protein

(tvp). It can be baked it into bread, cookies, and other baked goods. Same for

brown rice powdered protein. It really cuts down on the volume (.5 cup = 40

grams of protein; 1 tbsp = 5 g). I love the stuff! I like to add cinnamon or

garlic or ginger or any other kind of spice. I use a bit more spice than

normal, as soy products (like tvp) tend to absorb flavors like a little vacuum.

>

> : )

>

> Steve

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Christine,

 

It's more of a taste or variety issue. The protein powder that I usually use

has a vanilla flavoring, which works fine for breakfast but not so much later in

the day, for me. I also use hemp protein powder, which has a rather bitter

taste. Cost is also a consideration. In my town, soy protein powder is much

cheaper than other forms (I usually buy at Trader Joe's). TVP is a soy product,

available in bulk at my local supermarket.

 

Steve

 

, " c_f_jackson " <bcjackson8 wrote:

>

>

> Thanks Steve! I haven't tried TVP, but it sounds interesting. Does it work

better for you than protein powder?

>

> Thanks, Christine

> , " skmarden " <skmarden@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Christine,

> >

> > One source of concentrated vegetable protein is textured vegetable protein

(tvp). It can be baked it into bread, cookies, and other baked goods. Same for

brown rice powdered protein. It really cuts down on the volume (.5 cup = 40

grams of protein; 1 tbsp = 5 g). I love the stuff! I like to add cinnamon or

garlic or ginger or any other kind of spice. I use a bit more spice than

normal, as soy products (like tvp) tend to absorb flavors like a little vacuum.

> >

> > : )

> >

> > Steve

> >

>