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yip,

 

Vegetables. Especially the green ones. If you eat about a day you will get

more proteins or amino acids than you will ever need.

 

Peter

 

 

 

nyia12 [eeyore_0_4]

14 February 2004 14:49

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[Raw Food] Protien

 

 

 

Hello,

 

I was wondering how most people got their protein? I have just begun

sprouting beans because I am having trouble getting even 30g of

protein into my diet. But, as i researrch it seems there is

controversy surrounding beans. But, if I rely on nuts and seeds the

fat in my diet goes way up. For those of you who do not eat beans

does this concern you at all or has been ok? Is there another lower

fat source of protein I am overlooking?

 

Thanks,

 

nyia

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nyia,

 

Starchy veg's are good protein sources and lower in fat than nuts. One cup of

peas has 8.6g of protein and 0.4g fat. One ear of corn has 4.5g of protein and

3.4g fat. Squash tends to be high protein and low fat. For example one cup of

hubbard squash has 5.1g protein and 1.3g fat and one cup of crookneck squash has

1.6g of protein and 0.6g of fat.

 

Here are some other good raw sources. One cup of fresh spinach has a whoping 9g

of protein and 0.2g of fat. One cup of broccoli has 4.6g of protein and 0.6 of

fat. One banana has 1.2g of protein and 0.6g of fat. And don't forget pumpkin

seeds. They are much lower in fat than nuts. One cup of pumpkin seeds has 12g

of protein and 12g of fat. That's a lot better than almonds which have 29.6g of

protein and 76.2g of fat in one cup.

 

Sandey

 

nyia12 <eeyore_0_4 wrote:

Is there another lower fat source of protein I am overlooking?

 

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rawfood , " nyia12 " <eeyore_0_4> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I was wondering how most people got their protein?

 

I try to use a little hemp seeds for protein, just add them to a

smoothie that you make or to a salad...

 

Peace,

Jude

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Balancing for Protein Quality is more important than any other

concern for vegetarians.

 

The quality of mixed cereal and legume proteins matches that of non-

vegetarian diets, provided proper combination of foods and adequate

quantities are consumed. For example, if you depend entirely on

white rice for your protein, you would most likely become protein

deficient because rice provides less than 5 percent of usable or

complete protein (grams of protein per 100 calories adjusted by

quality score or net protein utilization and then expressed in terms

of protein calories per 100 total calories), which is the minimum

safe level recommended for adults by the World Health Organization.

The protein value of beans is about 20 percent usable protein. The

combination of rice and beans, however, raises the usable protein

value up to 50 percent. This happens because the amino acids in the

two foods complement each other. The rice is low in lysine but has a

surplus of the sulfur-containing amino acids (e.g., cystine), while

conversely the beans are low in the sulfur-containing amino acids,

but have a surplus of lysine. Similarly, eating wheat and beans

together can increase the protein actually usable by the body by

about 33 percent.

 

dr. DLN

 

This information is taken from a book " A NEW LOOK AT VEGETARIANISM:

It's positive Effects on Health and Disease Control. "

http://napublishing.com/learn_earn.html#guidelist

http://napublishing.com/new_look_veg.html

 

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OK - it is my understanding that protein combining is totally unnecessary. It

was an idea popularized by Frances Moore Lappe that she has since changed her

mind about.

 

Here is a link to one article about it:

http://food4livecells.com/protein.htm

 

EXERPTED: Here is what the American Dietetic Association currently has to say on

this subject: " Plant sources of protein alone can provide adequate amounts of

the essential and nonessential amino acids. . . . Conscious combining of these

foods within a given meal, as a complementary protein dictum suggests, is

unnecessary. " And Frances Moore Lappe's updated research reveals that on a

healthy, varied vegetarian diet, " Protein combining is unnecessary! "

 

 

And from http://www.naturesbestnews.com/protein.htm

EXERPT:

As for food combining, in 1971 in the book Diet for a Small Planet , Frances

Moore Lappe wrote that food combining with vegetable proteins, such as beans and

rice was necessary in order to obtain all 8 essential amino acids at one meal.

But by 1981, additional research showed that combining vegetarian foods was not

necessary to get proper protein. In fact, Dr. John McDougall warns that efforts

to combine foods for complete protein are not only unnecessary, but dangerous,

because " one who follows the advice for protein combining can unintentionally

design a diet containing an excessive and therefore harmful amount of protein.

The reason we do not need all 8 essential amino acids from one food or one meal

is that our body stores amino acids for future use. From the digestion of food

and from recycling of proteinaceous wastes, our body maintains an amino acid

pool, which is circulated to cells throughout the body by our blood and lymph

systems. These cells and our liver are constantly

making deposits and withdrawals from this pool based on the supply and demand

of specific amino acids.

 

Other links about it:

http://www.fatfree.com/FAQ/protein-myths

http://www.vegez.com/health_nutrition/article.asp?ID=73

 

 

 

 

 

" Dr. S.S. Dhillon " <drdln wrote:

Balancing for Protein Quality is more important than any other

concern for vegetarians.

 

The quality of mixed cereal and legume proteins matches that of non-

vegetarian diets, provided proper combination of foods and adequate

quantities are consumed. For example, if you depend entirely on

white rice for your protein, you would most likely become protein

deficient because rice provides less than 5 percent of usable or

complete protein (grams of protein per 100 calories adjusted by

quality score or net protein utilization and then expressed in terms

of protein calories per 100 total calories), which is the minimum

safe level recommended for adults by the World Health Organization.

The protein value of beans is about 20 percent usable protein. The

combination of rice and beans, however, raises the usable protein

value up to 50 percent. This happens because the amino acids in the

two foods complement each other. The rice is low in lysine but has a

surplus of the sulfur-containing amino acids (e.g., cystine), while

conversely the beans are low in the sulfur-containing amino acids,

but have a surplus of lysine. Similarly, eating wheat and beans

together can increase the protein actually usable by the body by

about 33 percent.

 

dr. DLN

 

This information is taken from a book " A NEW LOOK AT VEGETARIANISM:

It's positive Effects on Health and Disease Control. "

http://napublishing.com/learn_earn.html#guidelist

http://napublishing.com/new_look_veg.html

 

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Sir,

 

How do you justify eating cereals and grain in a raw food forum. I can see

they are raw and they are food but are they suitable for human beings.

 

I take the widely accepted view that they are bird food and have no place in

our diet. There are more than enough proteins in fruit and vegetables which

are a legitimate food for human beings.

 

Peter

 

Dr. S.S. Dhillon [drdln]

16 February 2004 17:50

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Protien

 

 

 

Balancing for Protein Quality is more important than any other

concern for vegetarians.

 

The quality of mixed cereal and legume proteins matches that of non-

vegetarian diets, provided proper combination of foods and adequate

quantities are consumed. For example, if you depend entirely on

white rice for your protein, you would most likely become protein

deficient because rice provides less than 5 percent of usable or

complete protein (grams of protein per 100 calories adjusted by

quality score or net protein utilization and then expressed in terms

of protein calories per 100 total calories), which is the minimum

safe level recommended for adults by the World Health Organization.

The protein value of beans is about 20 percent usable protein. The

combination of rice and beans, however, raises the usable protein

value up to 50 percent. This happens because the amino acids in the

two foods complement each other. The rice is low in lysine but has a

surplus of the sulfur-containing amino acids (e.g., cystine), while

conversely the beans are low in the sulfur-containing amino acids,

but have a surplus of lysine. Similarly, eating wheat and beans

together can increase the protein actually usable by the body by

about 33 percent.

 

dr. DLN

 

This information is taken from a book " A NEW LOOK AT VEGETARIANISM:

It's positive Effects on Health and Disease Control. "

http://napublishing.com/learn_earn.html#guidelist

http://napublishing.com/new_look_veg.html

 

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Protein combining at each meal HAS been shown to not be necessary. It is the

OVERALL combining of foods (eating a variety of nutritious foods in all

categories), and the nutrient intake OVERALL that counts most. Yes, Ms. Lappe

DID

change her stance on this in her updated version of the book she wrote.

 

Marilyn

Mom of eight VERY interesting kids, and proud grandma-to-be of TWINS!

 

 

 

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Thanks Alex,

 

Which way is Bathurst Street from here. I am in Brussels.

 

I eat about a small bowl of sprouts a week. Am not that keen on them. I am

troubling to think of an essential element in them. Sunflower seeds, I

sometimes sprout, for example. Wheat tastes out right awful. Chick peas are

not my thing. It could be that I am a princess at heart!

 

Peter

 

alex [telecom]

17 February 2004 15:50

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Protien

 

 

 

Peter.

go to Super sprouts on Bathurst street.

They will give you samples of perfectly sprouted grains - delicious. Alex

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you again everyone for all the thoughts. I am still finding it

very difficult to get even 10% protein - which on a 1200 Calorie

diet would be 30g of protein. I am in the teens or if very lucky the

low 20's. I am very athletic and this is not enough. I mean 1 cup of

peas may have alot of protein, but I find it very difficult to sit

down and eat an entire cup of raw peas. The fiber is too intense.

Right now I am just tired and frustrated. I am starting a list

though so that I can at least start adding more protein rich

vegetables. I know with time it will work itself out. i probably

just switched to Raw too quickly.

 

Thanks again.

 

nyia

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Protein's in everything, as all the nutrients are. It's nothing to

be afraid of. I just eat my raw plant food and the protein takes

care of itself. I do rely on avocados though.

 

With a raw plant food diet, I don't see how fat can be a concern.

 

Rich

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Wow,

 

I never knew that any body this side of the Pond on the Continent could eat

raw. Let me know when you come to Brussels!

 

Peter

 

PS Alex. Is Bathurst Street on Bathurst Island? Looks as though it could be

cold there.

 

deb [deb]

18 February 2004 06:30

rawfood

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Hi Peter, I am in The Netherlands!

 

Groetjes,

Deborah

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You may think you have a protein problem but such is extremely unlikely. It

is far more likely that you have a carbohydrate problem. Dr. Douglas Graham

and James Autio train athletes on vegetable diets. They are on the net and

could give you lots of detail.

 

Peter

 

 

nyia12 [eeyore_0_4]

18 February 2004 15:11

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Protien

 

 

 

Thank you again everyone for all the thoughts. I am still finding it

very difficult to get even 10% protein - which on a 1200 Calorie

diet would be 30g of protein. I am in the teens or if very lucky the

low 20's. I am very athletic and this is not enough. I mean 1 cup of

peas may have alot of protein, but I find it very difficult to sit

down and eat an entire cup of raw peas. The fiber is too intense.

Right now I am just tired and frustrated. I am starting a list

though so that I can at least start adding more protein rich

vegetables. I know with time it will work itself out. i probably

just switched to Raw too quickly.

 

Thanks again.

 

nyia

 

 

 

 

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Hi Nyia

 

I would suggest that you go to www.fitday.com sign up for a free

account, this will take you to a nutrition chart and database where

you can input the food that you want to eat in a day, the database

calculates the nutrition of the foods and gives you the calorie

count and the percentages of carbs, fats, protein. There is also a

wheel that colour codes these nutrients so that you get a very clear

picture of what your daily diet would looklike.

 

I did exactly this a few weeks ago when I was trying to work out a

raw food diet that I could live with. I put in the food that I

wanted to eat which was basically green veg, I thought 2 cups per

meal would be good, plus I cup other veg like carrots and a few nuts

for the essential fatty acids, plus the amount of fruit that I

thought I would want to eat during the day around 2 to 3 items:

apple and pears.

 

I was very surprised and pleased to see that I could eat just these

foods and have an excellent balance of all the nutrients. I was

particularly surprised to see how much protein there was, at lower

calorie count there was already 30% protein.

 

My calorie count started at 1000 and I raised it a little higher by

adding dried fruit and ground flaxseed with I use to make dried

crackers with.

 

I am trying to lose excess fat, and though it has been not much

longer than a month, I am very confident that eating rawfood is the

best and healthiest way to restore health and vitality to my body.

 

My mental state has improved considerably, a bonus that I had not

really considered when starting out on this journey.

 

Good luck Nyia, I know it takes some planning but all important

things in life do. I hope you stick with it, I know you will be very

happy with the results.

 

Molly

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " nyia12 " <eeyore_0_4> wrote:

> Thank you again everyone for all the thoughts. I am still finding

it

> very difficult to get even 10% protein - which on a 1200 Calorie

> diet would be 30g of protein. I am in the teens or if very lucky

the

> low 20's. I am very athletic and this is not enough. I mean 1 cup

of

> peas may have alot of protein, but I find it very difficult to sit

> down and eat an entire cup of raw peas. The fiber is too intense.

> Right now I am just tired and frustrated. I am starting a list

> though so that I can at least start adding more protein rich

> vegetables. I know with time it will work itself out. i probably

> just switched to Raw too quickly.

>

> Thanks again.

>

> nyia

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Dried fruits are not an ideal food for a raw foodist. It is often heat

treated anyway!

 

It will give you a calorie count. If I were you I would get something

bigger than a cup to measure your vegetables in. That way you will get a

meal and the chances of your getting fat on fruit and vegetables only are

zero.

 

If there are any long term raw foodists out there who are fat, would they

please shout me down?

 

Peter

 

esscential [esscential]

19 February 2004 17:05

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Protien

 

 

 

Hi Nyia

 

I would suggest that you go to www.fitday.com sign up for a free

account, this will take you to a nutrition chart and database where

you can input the food that you want to eat in a day, the database

calculates the nutrition of the foods and gives you the calorie

count and the percentages of carbs, fats, protein. There is also a

wheel that colour codes these nutrients so that you get a very clear

picture of what your daily diet would looklike.

 

I did exactly this a few weeks ago when I was trying to work out a

raw food diet that I could live with. I put in the food that I

wanted to eat which was basically green veg, I thought 2 cups per

meal would be good, plus I cup other veg like carrots and a few nuts

for the essential fatty acids, plus the amount of fruit that I

thought I would want to eat during the day around 2 to 3 items:

apple and pears.

 

I was very surprised and pleased to see that I could eat just these

foods and have an excellent balance of all the nutrients. I was

particularly surprised to see how much protein there was, at lower

calorie count there was already 30% protein.

 

My calorie count started at 1000 and I raised it a little higher by

adding dried fruit and ground flaxseed with I use to make dried

crackers with.

 

I am trying to lose excess fat, and though it has been not much

longer than a month, I am very confident that eating rawfood is the

best and healthiest way to restore health and vitality to my body.

 

My mental state has improved considerably, a bonus that I had not

really considered when starting out on this journey.

 

Good luck Nyia, I know it takes some planning but all important

things in life do. I hope you stick with it, I know you will be very

happy with the results.

 

Molly

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " nyia12 " <eeyore_0_4> wrote:

> Thank you again everyone for all the thoughts. I am still finding

it

> very difficult to get even 10% protein - which on a 1200 Calorie

> diet would be 30g of protein. I am in the teens or if very lucky

the

> low 20's. I am very athletic and this is not enough. I mean 1 cup

of

> peas may have alot of protein, but I find it very difficult to sit

> down and eat an entire cup of raw peas. The fiber is too intense.

> Right now I am just tired and frustrated. I am starting a list

> though so that I can at least start adding more protein rich

> vegetables. I know with time it will work itself out. i probably

> just switched to Raw too quickly.

>

> Thanks again.

>

> nyia

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks Peter,

I am learning to adapt and adjust my diet all the time. I see what

you mean by eating a larger quantity of vegetables.

 

Thanks for the advice

Molly

 

>

> Dried fruits are not an ideal food for a raw foodist. It is often

heat

> treated anyway!

>

> It will give you a calorie count. If I were you I would get

something

> bigger than a cup to measure your vegetables in.

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Molly,

 

I do not hold myself up as a model but I eat at least two kilos of fruit a

day and one kilo of vegetables. Sometimes a lot more but I do not bother to

measure.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

esscential [esscential]

21 February 2004 16:56

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Protien

 

 

 

Thanks Peter,

I am learning to adapt and adjust my diet all the time. I see what

you mean by eating a larger quantity of vegetables.

 

Thanks for the advice

Molly

 

>

> Dried fruits are not an ideal food for a raw foodist. It is often

heat

> treated anyway!

>

> It will give you a calorie count. If I were you I would get

something

> bigger than a cup to measure your vegetables in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Peter,

I am a new raw fooder here in Virginia (US). What are the types of fruit

you eat? Are they set or do you vary from day to day or even juice the fruits?

 

Frank

 

Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote:

Molly,

 

I do not hold myself up as a model but I eat at least two kilos of fruit a

day and one kilo of vegetables. Sometimes a lot more but I do not bother to

measure.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

esscential [esscential]

21 February 2004 16:56

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Protien

 

 

 

Thanks Peter,

I am learning to adapt and adjust my diet all the time. I see what

you mean by eating a larger quantity of vegetables.

 

Thanks for the advice

Molly

 

>

> Dried fruits are not an ideal food for a raw foodist. It is often

heat

> treated anyway!

>

> It will give you a calorie count. If I were you I would get

something

> bigger than a cup to measure your vegetables in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Frank,

 

I always like to buy what is in season and cheap from the main vegetable

market.

 

Some weeks I buy a case of Mangoes or a case of melons. I eat a lot of ripe

apples.

 

I avoid green fruit if I can but I happily eat up to two avocados in a day.

 

Also I eat the peel of most fruit as long as it tastes right with the

exception of bananas

and melons.

 

Fruit with big stones are favoured as is well-pipped fruit as in oranges and

grapes.

 

I like dark red fruit a lot. It often carries the flavenoids!

 

It is so hard to make a mistake eating fruit but if you find you are getting

too much acid, just take to green leaves. A sign that you have overdone the

fruit eating is getting diarhea which almost never happens to me.

 

I never juice and I seldom drink water

 

Hope this helps.

 

Peter

 

Frank Price [fpvegan]

22 February 2004 13:09

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Re: Protien

 

 

 

Peter,

I am a new raw fooder here in Virginia (US). What are the types of

fruit you eat? Are they set or do you vary from day to day or even juice the

fruits?

 

Frank

 

Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote:

Molly,

 

I do not hold myself up as a model but I eat at least two kilos of fruit a

day and one kilo of vegetables. Sometimes a lot more but I do not bother to

measure.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

esscential [esscential]

21 February 2004 16:56

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Protien

 

 

 

Thanks Peter,

I am learning to adapt and adjust my diet all the time. I see what

you mean by eating a larger quantity of vegetables.

 

Thanks for the advice

Molly

 

>

> Dried fruits are not an ideal food for a raw foodist. It is often

heat

> treated anyway!

>

> It will give you a calorie count. If I were you I would get

something

> bigger than a cup to measure your vegetables in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I generally buy what's available and fairly inexpensive too. Produce

stores and Costco are good for that. I'm not currently much of an

apple eater, I like the sweeter fruits.

 

I heavily rely on at least three, sometimes four avocados a day. I'd

like to not need them so much, but not for now.

 

I'm not sure which green fruit you're referring to Peter, unless it's

grapes. But obviously, I don't prefer to eat anything that's not

ripe, like green bell peppers.

 

I can't imagine eating the peel of an orange or things like that.

I'm pretty generous about throwing out peels that I can't easily eat.

 

What does well-pipped mean in American English?

 

I never juice either, seems as if the item should just be eaten as it

is. I'd like to be so stable eating and living that I don't need to

drink water, but that hasn't happened yet. I still drink it fairly

regularly.

 

For Molly, I eat pretty large quantities of vegetables and fruits and

I'm not concerned about the quantities at all. I imagine I'll want

less the more I get used to eating raw mentally and physically.

 

I don't eat dried fruit of any kind. That would be almost the same

as cooked for me and defeating the purpose of what I'm trying to do

in eating raw. I do eat dates though, although I'll probably

eliminate those too completely someday, too sweet is the reason.

 

Rich

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! kilo is 1000 grams.

1 pound is 454 grms.

1 kilo is 2.2 lbs.

rusty

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" Rich Sachs " <seconaphim

<rawfood >

Monday, February 23, 2004 4:42 AM

[Raw Food] Re: Protien

 

 

> Hey Peter, how much is a kilo, in U.S. pounds?

>

> I would hope that the types of fruit don't really matter much, the

> better the mix probably the better.

>

> Rich

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