Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 yip, Vegetables. Especially the green ones. If you eat about a day you will get more proteins or amino acids than you will ever need. Peter nyia12 [eeyore_0_4] 14 February 2004 14:49 rawfood [Raw Food] Protien Hello, I was wondering how most people got their protein? I have just begun sprouting beans because I am having trouble getting even 30g of protein into my diet. But, as i researrch it seems there is controversy surrounding beans. But, if I rely on nuts and seeds the fat in my diet goes way up. For those of you who do not eat beans does this concern you at all or has been ok? Is there another lower fat source of protein I am overlooking? Thanks, nyia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Nyia, Starchy veg's are good protein sources and lower in fat than nuts. One cup of peas has 8.6g of protein and 0.4g fat. One ear of corn has 4.5g of protein and 3.4g fat. Squash tends to be high protein and low fat. For example one cup of hubbard squash has 5.1g protein and 1.3g fat and one cup of crookneck squash has 1.6g of protein and 0.6g of fat. Here are some other good raw sources. One cup of fresh spinach has a whoping 9g of protein and 0.2g of fat. One cup of broccoli has 4.6g of protein and 0.6 of fat. One banana has 1.2g of protein and 0.6g of fat. And don't forget pumpkin seeds. They are much lower in fat than nuts. One cup of pumpkin seeds has 12g of protein and 12g of fat. That's a lot better than almonds which have 29.6g of protein and 76.2g of fat in one cup. Sandey nyia12 <eeyore_0_4 wrote: Is there another lower fat source of protein I am overlooking? The Master Cleanse has been successfully used for years to detoxify the body, improve health and lose weight. http://health.Master_Cleanse/ Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 rawfood , " nyia12 " <eeyore_0_4> wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering how most people got their protein? I try to use a little hemp seeds for protein, just add them to a smoothie that you make or to a salad... Peace, Jude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Balancing for Protein Quality is more important than any other concern for vegetarians. The quality of mixed cereal and legume proteins matches that of non- vegetarian diets, provided proper combination of foods and adequate quantities are consumed. For example, if you depend entirely on white rice for your protein, you would most likely become protein deficient because rice provides less than 5 percent of usable or complete protein (grams of protein per 100 calories adjusted by quality score or net protein utilization and then expressed in terms of protein calories per 100 total calories), which is the minimum safe level recommended for adults by the World Health Organization. The protein value of beans is about 20 percent usable protein. The combination of rice and beans, however, raises the usable protein value up to 50 percent. This happens because the amino acids in the two foods complement each other. The rice is low in lysine but has a surplus of the sulfur-containing amino acids (e.g., cystine), while conversely the beans are low in the sulfur-containing amino acids, but have a surplus of lysine. Similarly, eating wheat and beans together can increase the protein actually usable by the body by about 33 percent. dr. DLN This information is taken from a book " A NEW LOOK AT VEGETARIANISM: It's positive Effects on Health and Disease Control. " http://napublishing.com/learn_earn.html#guidelist http://napublishing.com/new_look_veg.html ************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 OK - it is my understanding that protein combining is totally unnecessary. It was an idea popularized by Frances Moore Lappe that she has since changed her mind about. Here is a link to one article about it: http://food4livecells.com/protein.htm EXERPTED: Here is what the American Dietetic Association currently has to say on this subject: " Plant sources of protein alone can provide adequate amounts of the essential and nonessential amino acids. . . . Conscious combining of these foods within a given meal, as a complementary protein dictum suggests, is unnecessary. " And Frances Moore Lappe's updated research reveals that on a healthy, varied vegetarian diet, " Protein combining is unnecessary! " And from http://www.naturesbestnews.com/protein.htm EXERPT: As for food combining, in 1971 in the book Diet for a Small Planet , Frances Moore Lappe wrote that food combining with vegetable proteins, such as beans and rice was necessary in order to obtain all 8 essential amino acids at one meal. But by 1981, additional research showed that combining vegetarian foods was not necessary to get proper protein. In fact, Dr. John McDougall warns that efforts to combine foods for complete protein are not only unnecessary, but dangerous, because " one who follows the advice for protein combining can unintentionally design a diet containing an excessive and therefore harmful amount of protein. The reason we do not need all 8 essential amino acids from one food or one meal is that our body stores amino acids for future use. From the digestion of food and from recycling of proteinaceous wastes, our body maintains an amino acid pool, which is circulated to cells throughout the body by our blood and lymph systems. These cells and our liver are constantly making deposits and withdrawals from this pool based on the supply and demand of specific amino acids. Other links about it: http://www.fatfree.com/FAQ/protein-myths http://www.vegez.com/health_nutrition/article.asp?ID=73 " Dr. S.S. Dhillon " <drdln wrote: Balancing for Protein Quality is more important than any other concern for vegetarians. The quality of mixed cereal and legume proteins matches that of non- vegetarian diets, provided proper combination of foods and adequate quantities are consumed. For example, if you depend entirely on white rice for your protein, you would most likely become protein deficient because rice provides less than 5 percent of usable or complete protein (grams of protein per 100 calories adjusted by quality score or net protein utilization and then expressed in terms of protein calories per 100 total calories), which is the minimum safe level recommended for adults by the World Health Organization. The protein value of beans is about 20 percent usable protein. The combination of rice and beans, however, raises the usable protein value up to 50 percent. This happens because the amino acids in the two foods complement each other. The rice is low in lysine but has a surplus of the sulfur-containing amino acids (e.g., cystine), while conversely the beans are low in the sulfur-containing amino acids, but have a surplus of lysine. Similarly, eating wheat and beans together can increase the protein actually usable by the body by about 33 percent. dr. DLN This information is taken from a book " A NEW LOOK AT VEGETARIANISM: It's positive Effects on Health and Disease Control. " http://napublishing.com/learn_earn.html#guidelist http://napublishing.com/new_look_veg.html ************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Sir, How do you justify eating cereals and grain in a raw food forum. I can see they are raw and they are food but are they suitable for human beings. I take the widely accepted view that they are bird food and have no place in our diet. There are more than enough proteins in fruit and vegetables which are a legitimate food for human beings. Peter Dr. S.S. Dhillon [drdln] 16 February 2004 17:50 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Protien Balancing for Protein Quality is more important than any other concern for vegetarians. The quality of mixed cereal and legume proteins matches that of non- vegetarian diets, provided proper combination of foods and adequate quantities are consumed. For example, if you depend entirely on white rice for your protein, you would most likely become protein deficient because rice provides less than 5 percent of usable or complete protein (grams of protein per 100 calories adjusted by quality score or net protein utilization and then expressed in terms of protein calories per 100 total calories), which is the minimum safe level recommended for adults by the World Health Organization. The protein value of beans is about 20 percent usable protein. The combination of rice and beans, however, raises the usable protein value up to 50 percent. This happens because the amino acids in the two foods complement each other. The rice is low in lysine but has a surplus of the sulfur-containing amino acids (e.g., cystine), while conversely the beans are low in the sulfur-containing amino acids, but have a surplus of lysine. Similarly, eating wheat and beans together can increase the protein actually usable by the body by about 33 percent. dr. DLN This information is taken from a book " A NEW LOOK AT VEGETARIANISM: It's positive Effects on Health and Disease Control. " http://napublishing.com/learn_earn.html#guidelist http://napublishing.com/new_look_veg.html ************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Protein combining at each meal HAS been shown to not be necessary. It is the OVERALL combining of foods (eating a variety of nutritious foods in all categories), and the nutrient intake OVERALL that counts most. Yes, Ms. Lappe DID change her stance on this in her updated version of the book she wrote. Marilyn Mom of eight VERY interesting kids, and proud grandma-to-be of TWINS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Peter. go to Super sprouts on Bathurst street. They will give you samples of perfectly sprouted grains - delicious. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Thanks Alex, Which way is Bathurst Street from here. I am in Brussels. I eat about a small bowl of sprouts a week. Am not that keen on them. I am troubling to think of an essential element in them. Sunflower seeds, I sometimes sprout, for example. Wheat tastes out right awful. Chick peas are not my thing. It could be that I am a princess at heart! Peter alex [telecom] 17 February 2004 15:50 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Protien Peter. go to Super sprouts on Bathurst street. They will give you samples of perfectly sprouted grains - delicious. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 Peter, where is Brussels? Alex Peter Gardiner wrote: > Thanks Alex, > > Which way is Bathurst Street from here. I am in Brussels. > > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 Hi Peter, I am in The Netherlands! Groetjes, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 Thank you again everyone for all the thoughts. I am still finding it very difficult to get even 10% protein - which on a 1200 Calorie diet would be 30g of protein. I am in the teens or if very lucky the low 20's. I am very athletic and this is not enough. I mean 1 cup of peas may have alot of protein, but I find it very difficult to sit down and eat an entire cup of raw peas. The fiber is too intense. Right now I am just tired and frustrated. I am starting a list though so that I can at least start adding more protein rich vegetables. I know with time it will work itself out. i probably just switched to Raw too quickly. Thanks again. nyia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 Protein's in everything, as all the nutrients are. It's nothing to be afraid of. I just eat my raw plant food and the protein takes care of itself. I do rely on avocados though. With a raw plant food diet, I don't see how fat can be a concern. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Wow, I never knew that any body this side of the Pond on the Continent could eat raw. Let me know when you come to Brussels! Peter PS Alex. Is Bathurst Street on Bathurst Island? Looks as though it could be cold there. deb [deb] 18 February 2004 06:30 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Protien Hi Peter, I am in The Netherlands! Groetjes, Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 You may think you have a protein problem but such is extremely unlikely. It is far more likely that you have a carbohydrate problem. Dr. Douglas Graham and James Autio train athletes on vegetable diets. They are on the net and could give you lots of detail. Peter nyia12 [eeyore_0_4] 18 February 2004 15:11 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Protien Thank you again everyone for all the thoughts. I am still finding it very difficult to get even 10% protein - which on a 1200 Calorie diet would be 30g of protein. I am in the teens or if very lucky the low 20's. I am very athletic and this is not enough. I mean 1 cup of peas may have alot of protein, but I find it very difficult to sit down and eat an entire cup of raw peas. The fiber is too intense. Right now I am just tired and frustrated. I am starting a list though so that I can at least start adding more protein rich vegetables. I know with time it will work itself out. i probably just switched to Raw too quickly. Thanks again. nyia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Hi Nyia I would suggest that you go to www.fitday.com sign up for a free account, this will take you to a nutrition chart and database where you can input the food that you want to eat in a day, the database calculates the nutrition of the foods and gives you the calorie count and the percentages of carbs, fats, protein. There is also a wheel that colour codes these nutrients so that you get a very clear picture of what your daily diet would looklike. I did exactly this a few weeks ago when I was trying to work out a raw food diet that I could live with. I put in the food that I wanted to eat which was basically green veg, I thought 2 cups per meal would be good, plus I cup other veg like carrots and a few nuts for the essential fatty acids, plus the amount of fruit that I thought I would want to eat during the day around 2 to 3 items: apple and pears. I was very surprised and pleased to see that I could eat just these foods and have an excellent balance of all the nutrients. I was particularly surprised to see how much protein there was, at lower calorie count there was already 30% protein. My calorie count started at 1000 and I raised it a little higher by adding dried fruit and ground flaxseed with I use to make dried crackers with. I am trying to lose excess fat, and though it has been not much longer than a month, I am very confident that eating rawfood is the best and healthiest way to restore health and vitality to my body. My mental state has improved considerably, a bonus that I had not really considered when starting out on this journey. Good luck Nyia, I know it takes some planning but all important things in life do. I hope you stick with it, I know you will be very happy with the results. Molly rawfood , " nyia12 " <eeyore_0_4> wrote: > Thank you again everyone for all the thoughts. I am still finding it > very difficult to get even 10% protein - which on a 1200 Calorie > diet would be 30g of protein. I am in the teens or if very lucky the > low 20's. I am very athletic and this is not enough. I mean 1 cup of > peas may have alot of protein, but I find it very difficult to sit > down and eat an entire cup of raw peas. The fiber is too intense. > Right now I am just tired and frustrated. I am starting a list > though so that I can at least start adding more protein rich > vegetables. I know with time it will work itself out. i probably > just switched to Raw too quickly. > > Thanks again. > > nyia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 I will do that Peter, have a great weekend! Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Dried fruits are not an ideal food for a raw foodist. It is often heat treated anyway! It will give you a calorie count. If I were you I would get something bigger than a cup to measure your vegetables in. That way you will get a meal and the chances of your getting fat on fruit and vegetables only are zero. If there are any long term raw foodists out there who are fat, would they please shout me down? Peter esscential [esscential] 19 February 2004 17:05 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Protien Hi Nyia I would suggest that you go to www.fitday.com sign up for a free account, this will take you to a nutrition chart and database where you can input the food that you want to eat in a day, the database calculates the nutrition of the foods and gives you the calorie count and the percentages of carbs, fats, protein. There is also a wheel that colour codes these nutrients so that you get a very clear picture of what your daily diet would looklike. I did exactly this a few weeks ago when I was trying to work out a raw food diet that I could live with. I put in the food that I wanted to eat which was basically green veg, I thought 2 cups per meal would be good, plus I cup other veg like carrots and a few nuts for the essential fatty acids, plus the amount of fruit that I thought I would want to eat during the day around 2 to 3 items: apple and pears. I was very surprised and pleased to see that I could eat just these foods and have an excellent balance of all the nutrients. I was particularly surprised to see how much protein there was, at lower calorie count there was already 30% protein. My calorie count started at 1000 and I raised it a little higher by adding dried fruit and ground flaxseed with I use to make dried crackers with. I am trying to lose excess fat, and though it has been not much longer than a month, I am very confident that eating rawfood is the best and healthiest way to restore health and vitality to my body. My mental state has improved considerably, a bonus that I had not really considered when starting out on this journey. Good luck Nyia, I know it takes some planning but all important things in life do. I hope you stick with it, I know you will be very happy with the results. Molly rawfood , " nyia12 " <eeyore_0_4> wrote: > Thank you again everyone for all the thoughts. I am still finding it > very difficult to get even 10% protein - which on a 1200 Calorie > diet would be 30g of protein. I am in the teens or if very lucky the > low 20's. I am very athletic and this is not enough. I mean 1 cup of > peas may have alot of protein, but I find it very difficult to sit > down and eat an entire cup of raw peas. The fiber is too intense. > Right now I am just tired and frustrated. I am starting a list > though so that I can at least start adding more protein rich > vegetables. I know with time it will work itself out. i probably > just switched to Raw too quickly. > > Thanks again. > > nyia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Thanks Peter, I am learning to adapt and adjust my diet all the time. I see what you mean by eating a larger quantity of vegetables. Thanks for the advice Molly > > Dried fruits are not an ideal food for a raw foodist. It is often heat > treated anyway! > > It will give you a calorie count. If I were you I would get something > bigger than a cup to measure your vegetables in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Molly, I do not hold myself up as a model but I eat at least two kilos of fruit a day and one kilo of vegetables. Sometimes a lot more but I do not bother to measure. Peter esscential [esscential] 21 February 2004 16:56 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Protien Thanks Peter, I am learning to adapt and adjust my diet all the time. I see what you mean by eating a larger quantity of vegetables. Thanks for the advice Molly > > Dried fruits are not an ideal food for a raw foodist. It is often heat > treated anyway! > > It will give you a calorie count. If I were you I would get something > bigger than a cup to measure your vegetables in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Peter, I am a new raw fooder here in Virginia (US). What are the types of fruit you eat? Are they set or do you vary from day to day or even juice the fruits? Frank Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: Molly, I do not hold myself up as a model but I eat at least two kilos of fruit a day and one kilo of vegetables. Sometimes a lot more but I do not bother to measure. Peter esscential [esscential] 21 February 2004 16:56 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Protien Thanks Peter, I am learning to adapt and adjust my diet all the time. I see what you mean by eating a larger quantity of vegetables. Thanks for the advice Molly > > Dried fruits are not an ideal food for a raw foodist. It is often heat > treated anyway! > > It will give you a calorie count. If I were you I would get something > bigger than a cup to measure your vegetables in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Frank, I always like to buy what is in season and cheap from the main vegetable market. Some weeks I buy a case of Mangoes or a case of melons. I eat a lot of ripe apples. I avoid green fruit if I can but I happily eat up to two avocados in a day. Also I eat the peel of most fruit as long as it tastes right with the exception of bananas and melons. Fruit with big stones are favoured as is well-pipped fruit as in oranges and grapes. I like dark red fruit a lot. It often carries the flavenoids! It is so hard to make a mistake eating fruit but if you find you are getting too much acid, just take to green leaves. A sign that you have overdone the fruit eating is getting diarhea which almost never happens to me. I never juice and I seldom drink water Hope this helps. Peter Frank Price [fpvegan] 22 February 2004 13:09 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] Re: Protien Peter, I am a new raw fooder here in Virginia (US). What are the types of fruit you eat? Are they set or do you vary from day to day or even juice the fruits? Frank Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: Molly, I do not hold myself up as a model but I eat at least two kilos of fruit a day and one kilo of vegetables. Sometimes a lot more but I do not bother to measure. Peter esscential [esscential] 21 February 2004 16:56 rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Protien Thanks Peter, I am learning to adapt and adjust my diet all the time. I see what you mean by eating a larger quantity of vegetables. Thanks for the advice Molly > > Dried fruits are not an ideal food for a raw foodist. It is often heat > treated anyway! > > It will give you a calorie count. If I were you I would get something > bigger than a cup to measure your vegetables in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Hey Peter, how much is a kilo, in U.S. pounds? I would hope that the types of fruit don't really matter much, the better the mix probably the better. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 I generally buy what's available and fairly inexpensive too. Produce stores and Costco are good for that. I'm not currently much of an apple eater, I like the sweeter fruits. I heavily rely on at least three, sometimes four avocados a day. I'd like to not need them so much, but not for now. I'm not sure which green fruit you're referring to Peter, unless it's grapes. But obviously, I don't prefer to eat anything that's not ripe, like green bell peppers. I can't imagine eating the peel of an orange or things like that. I'm pretty generous about throwing out peels that I can't easily eat. What does well-pipped mean in American English? I never juice either, seems as if the item should just be eaten as it is. I'd like to be so stable eating and living that I don't need to drink water, but that hasn't happened yet. I still drink it fairly regularly. For Molly, I eat pretty large quantities of vegetables and fruits and I'm not concerned about the quantities at all. I imagine I'll want less the more I get used to eating raw mentally and physically. I don't eat dried fruit of any kind. That would be almost the same as cooked for me and defeating the purpose of what I'm trying to do in eating raw. I do eat dates though, although I'll probably eliminate those too completely someday, too sweet is the reason. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 ! kilo is 1000 grams. 1 pound is 454 grms. 1 kilo is 2.2 lbs. rusty - " Rich Sachs " <seconaphim <rawfood > Monday, February 23, 2004 4:42 AM [Raw Food] Re: Protien > Hey Peter, how much is a kilo, in U.S. pounds? > > I would hope that the types of fruit don't really matter much, the > better the mix probably the better. > > Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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