Fwd: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resis

[Guest guest]

Mel,

 

Yes, I completely understand the reasoning behind her steps. I am looking

for healing as well. But I just wonder how I can keep putting things into

my body when I am so aware of the harm it is doing. I am going to strive

to do the steps in order, I just know it is going to be quite a journey.

 

Maria

 

 

In a message dated 3/7/2010 4:49:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

shaggypoo.chaos writes:

 

 

 

 

Maria

 

The program is the program because of the steps!

 

Lots of other programs [ & diets] say *take sugar out*.

 

Doing so plunges us into deep shock, and is generally unsustainable

anyway.

 

The work Kathleen does and publishes is all about healing, and for me it

has meant a new life. Do you see the difference?

 

Mel

 

--- On Sun, 7/3/10, _marmatraz_ (marmatraz)

<_marmatraz_ (marmatraz) > wrote:

 

_marmatraz_ (marmatraz) <_marmatraz_

(marmatraz) >

[ [<WBR>] Fwd:

[radiantstepone] The hormone fa

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Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 0:14

 

 

__

_MarMatraz_ (MarMatraz)

_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

(radiantstepone )

3/6/2010 7:13:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time

Subj: Re: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance from family

 

Hi there,

 

This message made me think. I am working hard on step one, but it is

very

difficult to not want to quit sugar and bread etc. all at once. I have

read all of Kathleen's books now, and can't imagine putting those things

in

my body any longer! How can we continue to do that once we have read

the

material and know what it does to our bodies and minds? (and families!!)

 

 

I appreciate any feedback....I

 

Thank you so much,

 

Maria

 

In a message dated 3/6/2010 6:47:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

_emilyf_ (emilyf) writes:

 

Diane,

 

A couple of thoughts for you. First, I'd really recommend waiting on the

diet coke. It really is easier once we've got steady on the food with

steps

1-5 under us. I know some folks leave diet coke for very last. I found

that I wanted it less and less on step 3 and it just gradually went away.

Others plan a specific detox for it.

 

You know, somehow the more we focus on the food, the more those other

issues

seem to smooth out. It's sort of like magic. I wanted to explore all sorts

of other issues, but I found that just distracted me from my steps and my

healing. I've found that Radiant Recovery has taught me a whole different

way of being in the world. We try to really focus on breakfast on this

list, but you could certainly ask for ideas in how to handle questions

about

weight and what you are eating on the forum or YLD (if you are a member).

 

Shake, bacon, brown, and diet coke sounds like the ideal breakfast for you

for tomorrow. What will you have for your brown do you think? We've been

experimenting with muffins a lot lately and last night with dinner we had

skin-on hash browns. I was sad there weren't leftovers as they'd have made

a great breakfast brown.

 

Emily

 

_radiantstepone@_radiantstepone

(_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

(radiantstepone ) )

[_radiantste[_radiant[_r

(_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

(radiantstepone ) ) ]

On Behalf Of Diane

Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:41 PM

_radiantstepone@ _radiants

(_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

(radiantstepone ) )

[radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance from family

 

This week has been tough for me - my mood is MUCH worse due to PMS and I

feel so lethargic. I'm back to crawling out of bed, feeling like I have a

dead weight of dread in my stomach and I've started having white carbs

for

b/fast and craving and having Diet Coke. I know we're not supposed to

do

anything but breakfast in step one, but I'd really like to wean myself off

that Coke. But the cravings are dreadful! I went a month without it last

year but then came back to it big time.

 

Also, last night my mum (the only person who knows I'm doing RR apart from

you guys) laid into me about eating too much fat and protein and sweet

things and how I need to lose weight... She's a very supportive person

normally but won't take in anything I tell her about how starvation diets

only make people crave more, about how balancing my mood will help me get

everything else in check (she thinks it will take too long doing PNP) etc

etc. We ended up screaming at each other and I collapsed in tears.

 

I realised later that actually, I'm 31 and it's OK if she doesn't

understand. But it's very hard for me to go things alone without anyone's

approval. I know we focus on the food here, but GOSH that really isn't all

that we learn about, is it?

 

Anyway, just needed to blab to people who hopefully understand.

 

I'm going to to bed a bit earlier tonight, and will have a small shake,

some

(British) bacon and a BROWN tomorrow. Will probably also have Diet Coke.

Baby steps.

 

Diane x

 

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[Guest guest]

Janine,

 

Thank you, I am super motivated for healing as well as a little trimming

(I need to lose 20 pounds or so to be in a healthy weight range) I never

want to feel crazy or high again. I want a nice boring simple life, with no

major ups and downs from sugar. So I am willing to do anything, I am

going to do these steps in order, it is very hard and challenging I'm

finding.

 

Maria

 

 

In a message dated 3/6/2010 8:53:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

janine writes:

 

Hi Maria,

Everyone starts at a different point in her life, or his life, and

everyone begins at a different level of healing and health. Everyone's

pace is different. You are super motivated so maybe your progress

through step one will be swift compared to someone who really wants to

take her time with step one.

All I can suggest is try out the step one as suggested in RR and see

how that goes. It is not as though you *have* to have sugar and

refined carbohydrates at each meal...it is just a mind set of having

the priority be one thing at a time, first things first and focusing

on the first step so that it truly sinks in and lays the foundation

for deep healing and success with step 2 and onward. That's just my

take on it.

What did you have for breakfast today? Shake?

Best wishes,

Janine

 

On Mar 6, 2010, at 4:14 PM, marmatraz wrote:

 

>

>

> __

> MarMatraz

> radiantstepone

> 3/6/2010 7:13:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time

> Subj: Re: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance from

> family

>

> Hi there,

>

> This message made me think. I am working hard on step one, but it is

> very

> difficult to not want to quit sugar and bread etc. all at once. I have

> read all of Kathleen's books now, and can't imagine putting those

> things in

> my body any longer! How can we continue to do that once we have read

> the

> material and know what it does to our bodies and minds? (and

> families!!)

>

> I appreciate any feedback.....

>

> Thank you so much,

>

> Maria

>

>

> In a message dated 3/6/2010 6:47:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> emilyf writes:

>

> Diane,

>

> A couple of thoughts for you. First, I'd really recommend waiting on

> the

> diet coke. It really is easier once we've got steady on the food

> with steps

> 1-5 under us. I know some folks leave diet coke for very last. I found

> that I wanted it less and less on step 3 and it just gradually went

> away.

> Others plan a specific detox for it.

>

> You know, somehow the more we focus on the food, the more those other

> issues

> seem to smooth out. It's sort of like magic. I wanted to explore all

> sorts

> of other issues, but I found that just distracted me from my steps

> and my

> healing. I've found that Radiant Recovery has taught me a whole

> different

> way of being in the world. We try to really focus on breakfast on this

> list, but you could certainly ask for ideas in how to handle questions

> about

> weight and what you are eating on the forum or YLD (if you are a

> member).

>

> Shake, bacon, brown, and diet coke sounds like the ideal breakfast

> for you

> for tomorrow. What will you have for your brown do you think? We've

> been

> experimenting with muffins a lot lately and last night with dinner

> we had

> skin-on hash browns. I was sad there weren't leftovers as they'd

> have made

> a great breakfast brown.

>

> Emily

>

> _radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

> (radiantstepone )

[_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

> (radiantstepone ) ]

> On Behalf Of Diane

> Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:41 PM

> _radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

> (radiantstepone )

> [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance from

> family

>

> This week has been tough for me - my mood is MUCH worse due to PMS

> and I

> feel so lethargic. I'm back to crawling out of bed, feeling like I

> have a

> dead weight of dread in my stomach and I've started having white

> carbs for

> b/fast and craving and having Diet Coke. I know we're not

> supposed to do

> anything but breakfast in step one, but I'd really like to wean

> myself off

> that Coke. But the cravings are dreadful! I went a month without it

> last

> year but then came back to it big time.

>

> Also, last night my mum (the only person who knows I'm doing RR

> apart from

> you guys) laid into me about eating too much fat and protein and sweet

> things and how I need to lose weight... She's a very supportive person

> normally but won't take in anything I tell her about how starvation

> diets

> only make people crave more, about how balancing my mood will help

> me get

> everything else in check (she thinks it will take too long doing

> PNP) etc

> etc. We ended up screaming at each other and I collapsed in tears.

>

> I realised later that actually, I'm 31 and it's OK if she doesn't

> understand. But it's very hard for me to go things alone without

> anyone's

> approval. I know we focus on the food here, but GOSH that really

> isn't all

> that we learn about, is it?

>

> Anyway, just needed to blab to people who hopefully understand.

>

> I'm going to to bed a bit earlier tonight, and will have a small

> shake,

> some

> (British) bacon and a BROWN tomorrow. Will probably also have Diet

> Coke.

> Baby steps.

>

> Diane x

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Maria

 

The key is to focus on the Step you are on, not on sugar. 

 

Give it your all.

 

Give sugar no energy.

 

Mel   

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 7/3/10, marmatraz <marmatraz wrote:

 

 

marmatraz <marmatraz

Re: Fwd: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and

resis

 

Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 14:13

 

 

Mel,

 

Yes, I completely understand the reasoning behind her steps.  I am  looking

for healing as well.  But I just wonder how I can keep putting  things into

my body when I am so aware of the harm it is doing.  I am going  to strive

to do the steps in order, I just know it is going to be quite a  journey.

 

Maria

 

 

In a message dated 3/7/2010 4:49:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 

shaggypoo.chaos writes:

 

 

 

 

Maria

 

The program is the program because of the  steps!

 

Lots of other programs [ & diets] say *take sugar  out*.

 

Doing so plunges us into deep shock, and is generally  unsustainable

anyway.

 

The work Kathleen does and publishes is  all about healing, and for me it

has meant a new life.  Do you see the  difference?

 

Mel

 

--- On Sun, 7/3/10, _marmatraz_ (marmatraz) 

<_marmatraz_ (marmatraz) >  wrote:

 

_marmatraz_ (marmatraz)  <_marmatraz_

(marmatraz) >

Subject:  [subject:  [<WBR>] Fwd:

[radiantstepone] The hormone fa

_@radiantvegetrad_

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Date:  Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 0:14

 

 

__

_MarMatraz_ (MarMatraz)

_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

(radiantstepone )

Sent:   3/6/2010 7:13:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time

Subj: Re: [radiantstepone]  The  hormone fandango and resistance from family

 

Hi  there,

 

This message made me think.  I am working hard on step one,  but it  is

very

difficult to not want to quit sugar and bread etc.  all at once.   I have

read all of Kathleen's books now, and  can't imagine putting those  things

in

my body any  longer!   How can we continue to do that once  we have  read

the

material and know what it does to our bodies and  minds?   (and families!!)

   

 

I appreciate any  feedback....I

 

Thank you so much,

 

Maria

 

In a message  dated 3/6/2010 6:47:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 

_emilyf_ (emilyf)   writes:

 

Diane,

 

A couple of thoughts for you. First, I'd really  recommend  waiting on the

diet coke. It really is easier once we've  got steady on  the food with

steps

1-5 under us. I know some folks  leave diet coke for  very last. I found

that I wanted it less and less  on step 3 and it just  gradually went away.

Others plan a specific  detox for it.

 

You  know, somehow the more we focus on the food,  the more those other 

issues

seem to smooth out. It's sort of like  magic. I wanted to explore  all sorts

of other issues, but I found  that just distracted me from my  steps and my

healing. I've found that  Radiant Recovery has taught me a  whole different

way of being in the  world. We try to really focus on  breakfast on this

list, but you  could certainly ask for ideas in how to  handle questions 

about

weight and what you are eating on the forum or YLD  (if you  are a member).

 

Shake, bacon, brown, and diet coke sounds  like  the ideal breakfast for you

for tomorrow. What will you have for  your  brown do you think? We've been

experimenting with muffins a lot   lately and last night with dinner we had

skin-on hash browns. I was  sad  there weren't leftovers as they'd have made

a great breakfast  brown. 

 

Emily

 

_radiantstepone@_radiantstepone

(_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

(radiantstepone )

)   [_radiantste[_radiant[_r

(_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

(radiantstepone ) )  ]

On  Behalf Of Diane

Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:41 PM

To:  _radiantstepone@To:  _radiants

(_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

(radiantstepone ) ) 

Subject:  [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance from  family

 

This  week has been tough for me - my mood is MUCH worse  due to PMS and I

feel  so lethargic. I'm back to crawling out of bed,  feeling like I have a

dead  weight of dread in my stomach and I've  started having white carbs 

for

b/fast and craving and having Diet  Coke. I know we're not supposed  to

do

anything but breakfast in  step one, but I'd really like to wean  myself off

that Coke. But the  cravings are dreadful! I went a month  without it last

year but then  came back to it big time.

 

Also,  last night my mum (the only  person who knows I'm doing RR apart from

you  guys) laid into me about  eating too much fat and protein and sweet

things  and how I need to  lose weight... She's a very supportive person

normally  but won't take  in anything I tell her about how starvation diets

only  make people  crave more, about how balancing my mood will help me  get

everything  else in check (she thinks it will take too long doing PNP)  etc

etc.  We ended up screaming at each other and I collapsed in tears. 

 

I  realised later that actually, I'm 31 and it's OK if she   doesn't

understand. But it's very hard for me to go things alone  without  anyone's

approval. I know we focus on the food here, but GOSH  that really  isn't all

that we learn about, is it?

 

Anyway,  just needed to blab  to people who hopefully understand.

 

I'm going  to to bed a bit earlier  tonight, and will have a small shake, 

some

(British) bacon and a BROWN  tomorrow. Will probably also  have Diet Coke.

Baby steps.

 

Diane  x

 

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[Guest guest]

Maria

 

What are you finding hard about it?

 

Your life may well be simpler once you have done the steps, but boring?  No, it

doesn't have to be boring any more than it has to be hard.

 

You sound as if you have the sense of giving something up.

 

On the other hand, if you come to the program with a willing heart, prepared to

do whatever it takes, you will certainly find recovery.

 

Mel   

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 7/3/10, marmatraz <marmatraz wrote:

 

 

marmatraz <marmatraz

Re: Fwd: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and

resis

 

Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 14:18

 

 

Janine,

 

Thank you, I am super motivated for healing as well as a little  trimming 

(I need to lose 20 pounds or so to be in a healthy weight  range)  I never

want to feel crazy or high again.  I want a nice  boring simple life, with no

major ups and downs from  sugar.     So I am willing to do anything, I am

going to do  these steps in order, it is very hard and challenging I'm

finding.

 

Maria

 

 

In a message dated 3/6/2010 8:53:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 

janine writes:

 

Hi  Maria,

Everyone starts at a different point in her life, or his life,  and 

everyone begins at a different level of healing and health.  Everyone's 

pace is different. You are super motivated so maybe your  progress 

through step one will be swift compared to someone who  really wants to 

take her time with step one.

All I can suggest is  try out the step one as suggested in RR and see 

how that goes. It is  not as though you *have* to have sugar and 

refined carbohydrates at  each meal...it is just a mind set of having 

the priority be one  thing at a time, first things first and focusing 

on the first step  so that it truly sinks in and lays the foundation 

for deep healing  and success with step 2 and onward. That's just my 

take on  it.

What did you have for breakfast today? Shake?

Best  wishes,

Janine

 

On Mar 6, 2010, at 4:14 PM, marmatraz  wrote:

 

>

>

>  __

> MarMatraz

>  radiantstepone

> 3/6/2010 7:13:39 P.M. Eastern  Standard Time

> Subj: Re: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and  resistance from 

> family

>

> Hi  there,

>

> This message made me think. I am working hard on step  one, but it is 

> very

> difficult to not want to quit sugar  and bread etc. all at once. I have

> read all of Kathleen's books now,  and can't imagine putting those 

> things in

> my body any  longer! How can we continue to do that once we have read 

>  the

> material and know what it does to our bodies and minds? (and   

> families!!)

>

> I appreciate any  feedback.....

>

> Thank you so much,

>

>  Maria

>

>

> In a message dated 3/6/2010 6:47:55 P.M. Eastern  Standard Time,

> emilyf writes:

>

>  Diane,

>

> A couple of thoughts for you. First, I'd really  recommend waiting on 

> the

> diet coke. It really is easier  once we've got steady on the food 

> with steps

> 1-5 under  us. I know some folks leave diet coke for very last. I found

> that I  wanted it less and less on step 3 and it just gradually went 

>  away.

> Others plan a specific detox for it.

>

> You know,  somehow the more we focus on the food, the more those other

>  issues

> seem to smooth out. It's sort of like magic. I wanted to  explore all 

> sorts

> of other issues, but I found that  just distracted me from my steps 

> and my

> healing. I've  found that Radiant Recovery has taught me a whole 

>  different

> way of being in the world. We try to really focus on  breakfast on this

> list, but you could certainly ask for ideas in how  to handle questions

> about

> weight and what you are eating on  the forum or YLD (if you are a 

> member).

>

> Shake,  bacon, brown, and diet coke sounds like the ideal breakfast 

> for  you

> for tomorrow. What will you have for your brown do you think?  We've 

> been

> experimenting with muffins a lot lately and  last night with dinner 

> we had

> skin-on hash browns. I  was sad there weren't leftovers as they'd 

> have made

> a  great breakfast brown.

>

> Emily

>

>   _radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

>  (radiantstepone ) 

[_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

>  (radiantstepone ) ]

> On Behalf Of Diane

>  Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:41 PM

> To:  _radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

>  (radiantstepone )

> [radiantstepone] The  hormone fandango and resistance from 

> family

>

>  This week has been tough for me - my mood is MUCH worse due to PMS   

> and I

> feel so lethargic. I'm back to crawling out of bed,  feeling like I 

> have a

> dead weight of dread in my  stomach and I've started having white 

> carbs for

> b/fast  and craving and having Diet Coke. I know we're not 

> supposed  to do

> anything but breakfast in step one, but I'd really like to  wean 

> myself off

> that Coke. But the cravings are  dreadful! I went a month without it 

> last

> year but then  came back to it big time.

>

> Also, last night my mum (the only  person who knows I'm doing RR 

> apart from

> you guys) laid  into me about eating too much fat and protein and sweet

> things and how  I need to lose weight... She's a very supportive person

> normally but  won't take in anything I tell her about how starvation 

>  diets

> only make people crave more, about how balancing my mood will  help 

> me get

> everything else in check (she thinks it  will take too long doing 

> PNP) etc

> etc. We ended up  screaming at each other and I collapsed in tears.

>

> I realised  later that actually, I'm 31 and it's OK if she doesn't

> understand. But  it's very hard for me to go things alone without 

>  anyone's

> approval. I know we focus on the food here, but GOSH that  really 

> isn't all

> that we learn about, is  it?

>

> Anyway, just needed to blab to people who hopefully  understand.

>

> I'm going to to bed a bit earlier tonight, and  will have a small 

> shake,

> some

> (British) bacon  and a BROWN tomorrow. Will probably also have Diet 

>  Coke.

> Baby steps.

>

> Diane x

>

> [Non-text  portions of this message have been removed]

>

> [Non-text portions  of this message have been removed]

>

>

> 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Maria,

 

I think the issue is to be *kind* to your body. Doing a detox cold turkey is

pretty much a shock <smile>

 

kathleen

On Mar 7, 2010, at 7:13 AM, marmatraz wrote:

 

> Mel,

>

> Yes, I completely understand the reasoning behind her steps. I am looking

> for healing as well. But I just wonder how I can keep putting things into

> my body when I am so aware of the harm it is doing. I am going to strive

> to do the steps in order, I just know it is going to be quite a journey.

>

> Maria

>

>

> In a message dated 3/7/2010 4:49:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> shaggypoo.chaos writes:

>

>

>

>

> Maria

>

> The program is the program because of the steps!

>

> Lots of other programs [ & diets] say *take sugar out*.

>

> Doing so plunges us into deep shock, and is generally unsustainable

> anyway.

>

> The work Kathleen does and publishes is all about healing, and for me it

> has meant a new life. Do you see the difference?

>

> Mel

>

> --- On Sun, 7/3/10, _marmatraz_ (marmatraz)

> <_marmatraz_ (marmatraz) > wrote:

>

> _marmatraz_ (marmatraz) <_marmatraz_

> (marmatraz) >

> [ [<WBR>] Fwd:

> [radiantstepone] The hormone fa

> _@radiantvegetrad_

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> Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 0:14

>

>

> __

> _MarMatraz_ (MarMatraz)

> _radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

> (radiantstepone )

> 3/6/2010 7:13:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time

> Subj: Re: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance from family

>

> Hi there,

>

> This message made me think. I am working hard on step one, but it is

> very

> difficult to not want to quit sugar and bread etc. all at once. I have

> read all of Kathleen's books now, and can't imagine putting those things

> in

> my body any longer! How can we continue to do that once we have read

> the

> material and know what it does to our bodies and minds? (and families!!)

>

>

> I appreciate any feedback....I

>

> Thank you so much,

>

> Maria

>

> In a message dated 3/6/2010 6:47:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> _emilyf_ (emilyf) writes:

>

> Diane,

>

> A couple of thoughts for you. First, I'd really recommend waiting on the

> diet coke. It really is easier once we've got steady on the food with

> steps

> 1-5 under us. I know some folks leave diet coke for very last. I found

> that I wanted it less and less on step 3 and it just gradually went away.

> Others plan a specific detox for it.

>

> You know, somehow the more we focus on the food, the more those other

> issues

> seem to smooth out. It's sort of like magic. I wanted to explore all sorts

> of other issues, but I found that just distracted me from my steps and my

> healing. I've found that Radiant Recovery has taught me a whole different

> way of being in the world. We try to really focus on breakfast on this

> list, but you could certainly ask for ideas in how to handle questions

> about

> weight and what you are eating on the forum or YLD (if you are a member).

>

> Shake, bacon, brown, and diet coke sounds like the ideal breakfast for you

> for tomorrow. What will you have for your brown do you think? We've been

> experimenting with muffins a lot lately and last night with dinner we had

> skin-on hash browns. I was sad there weren't leftovers as they'd have made

> a great breakfast brown.

>

> Emily

>

> _radiantstepone@_radiantstepone

> (_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

> (radiantstepone ) )

[_radiantste[_radiant[_r

> (_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

> (radiantstepone ) ) ]

> On Behalf Of Diane

> Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:41 PM

> _radiantstepone@ _radiants

> (_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

> (radiantstepone ) )

> [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance from family

>

> This week has been tough for me - my mood is MUCH worse due to PMS and I

> feel so lethargic. I'm back to crawling out of bed, feeling like I have a

> dead weight of dread in my stomach and I've started having white carbs

> for

> b/fast and craving and having Diet Coke. I know we're not supposed to

> do

> anything but breakfast in step one, but I'd really like to wean myself off

> that Coke. But the cravings are dreadful! I went a month without it last

> year but then came back to it big time.

>

> Also, last night my mum (the only person who knows I'm doing RR apart from

> you guys) laid into me about eating too much fat and protein and sweet

> things and how I need to lose weight... She's a very supportive person

> normally but won't take in anything I tell her about how starvation diets

> only make people crave more, about how balancing my mood will help me get

> everything else in check (she thinks it will take too long doing PNP) etc

> etc. We ended up screaming at each other and I collapsed in tears.

>

> I realised later that actually, I'm 31 and it's OK if she doesn't

> understand. But it's very hard for me to go things alone without anyone's

> approval. I know we focus on the food here, but GOSH that really isn't all

> that we learn about, is it?

>

> Anyway, just needed to blab to people who hopefully understand.

>

> I'm going to to bed a bit earlier tonight, and will have a small shake,

> some

> (British) bacon and a BROWN tomorrow. Will probably also have Diet Coke.

> Baby steps.

>

> Diane x

>

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Ooh, yeah, I like how Mel expresses this! Right on!

Janine

 

 

On Mar 7, 2010, at 6:27 AM, mel wrote:

 

> Maria

>

> The key is to focus on the Step you are on, not on sugar.

>

> Give it your all.

>

> Give sugar no energy.

>

> Mel

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 7/3/10, marmatraz <marmatraz wrote:

>

> marmatraz <marmatraz

> Re: Fwd: [radiantstepone] The hormone

> fandango and resis

>

> Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 14:13

>

> Mel,

>

> Yes, I completely understand the reasoning behind her steps. I am

> looking

> for healing as well. But I just wonder how I can keep putting

> things into

> my body when I am so aware of the harm it is doing. I am going to

> strive

> to do the steps in order, I just know it is going to be quite a

> journey.

>

> Maria

>

> In a message dated 3/7/2010 4:49:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> shaggypoo.chaos writes:

>

> Maria

>

> The program is the program because of the steps!

>

> Lots of other programs [ & diets] say *take sugar out*.

>

> Doing so plunges us into deep shock, and is generally unsustainable

> anyway.

>

> The work Kathleen does and publishes is all about healing, and for

> me it

> has meant a new life. Do you see the difference?

>

> Mel

>

> --- On Sun, 7/3/10, _marmatraz_ (marmatraz)

> <_marmatraz_ (marmatraz) > wrote:

>

> _marmatraz_ (marmatraz) <_marmatraz_

> (marmatraz) >

> [ [<WBR>] Fwd:

> [radiantstepone] The hormone fa

> _@radiantvegetrad_

> ( )

> Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 0:14

>

> __

> _MarMatraz_ (MarMatraz)

> _radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

> (radiantstepone )

> 3/6/2010 7:13:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time

> Subj: Re: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance

> from family

>

> Hi there,

>

> This message made me think. I am working hard on step one, but it

> is

> very

> difficult to not want to quit sugar and bread etc. all at once. I

> have

> read all of Kathleen's books now, and can't imagine putting those

> things

> in

> my body any longer! How can we continue to do that once we have

> read

> the

> material and know what it does to our bodies and minds? (and

> families!!)

>

>

> I appreciate any feedback....I

>

> Thank you so much,

>

> Maria

>

> In a message dated 3/6/2010 6:47:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> _emilyf_ (emilyf) writes:

>

> Diane,

>

> A couple of thoughts for you. First, I'd really recommend waiting

> on the

> diet coke. It really is easier once we've got steady on the food

> with

> steps

> 1-5 under us. I know some folks leave diet coke for very last. I

> found

> that I wanted it less and less on step 3 and it just gradually

> went away.

> Others plan a specific detox for it.

>

> You know, somehow the more we focus on the food, the more those

> other

> issues

> seem to smooth out. It's sort of like magic. I wanted to explore

> all sorts

> of other issues, but I found that just distracted me from my steps

> and my

> healing. I've found that Radiant Recovery has taught me a whole

> different

> way of being in the world. We try to really focus on breakfast on

> this

> list, but you could certainly ask for ideas in how to handle

> questions

> about

> weight and what you are eating on the forum or YLD (if you are a

> member).

>

> Shake, bacon, brown, and diet coke sounds like the ideal breakfast

> for you

> for tomorrow. What will you have for your brown do you think?

> We've been

> experimenting with muffins a lot lately and last night with dinner

> we had

> skin-on hash browns. I was sad there weren't leftovers as they'd

> have made

> a great breakfast brown.

>

> Emily

>

> _radiantstepone@_radiantstepone

> (_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

> (radiantstepone ) )

[_radiantste[_radiant

> [_r

> (_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

> (radiantstepone ) ) ]

> On Behalf Of Diane

> Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:41 PM

> _radiantstepone@ _radiants

> (_radiantstepone@radiantsteporad_

> (radiantstepone ) )

> [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance from

> family

>

> This week has been tough for me - my mood is MUCH worse due to PMS

> and I

> feel so lethargic. I'm back to crawling out of bed, feeling like I

> have a

> dead weight of dread in my stomach and I've started having white

> carbs

> for

> b/fast and craving and having Diet Coke. I know we're not

> supposed to

> do

> anything but breakfast in step one, but I'd really like to wean

> myself off

> that Coke. But the cravings are dreadful! I went a month without

> it last

> year but then came back to it big time.

>

> Also, last night my mum (the only person who knows I'm doing RR

> apart from

> you guys) laid into me about eating too much fat and protein and

> sweet

> things and how I need to lose weight... She's a very supportive

> person

> normally but won't take in anything I tell her about how

> starvation diets

> only make people crave more, about how balancing my mood will help

> me get

> everything else in check (she thinks it will take too long doing

> PNP) etc

> etc. We ended up screaming at each other and I collapsed in tears.

>

> I realised later that actually, I'm 31 and it's OK if she doesn't

> understand. But it's very hard for me to go things alone without

> anyone's

> approval. I know we focus on the food here, but GOSH that really

> isn't all

> that we learn about, is it?

>

> Anyway, just needed to blab to people who hopefully understand.

>

> I'm going to to bed a bit earlier tonight, and will have a small

> shake,

> some

> (British) bacon and a BROWN tomorrow. Will probably also have Diet

> Coke.

> Baby steps.

>

> Diane x

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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[Guest guest]

I love this, Mel, switching the focus from sugar to the step was exactly what

moved me forward in recovery. I just hadn't put my finger on it before.

 

Heather

 

There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle.

The other is as though everything is a miracle.

--Albert Einstein

 

 

 

 

________________________________

mel <shaggypoo.chaos

 

Sun, March 7, 2010 9:27:11 AM

Re: Fwd: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and

resis

 

 

Maria

 

The key is to focus on the Step you are on, not on sugar.

 

Give it your all.

 

Give sugar no energy.

 

Mel

 

 

 

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marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) com <marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) com>

Re: Fwd: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango

and resis

 

Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 14:13

 

Mel,

 

Yes, I completely understand the reasoning behind her steps. I am looking

for healing as well. But I just wonder how I can keep putting things into

my body when I am so aware of the harm it is doing. I am going to strive

to do the steps in order, I just know it is going to be quite a journey.

 

Maria

 

In a message dated 3/7/2010 4:49:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

shaggypoo.chaos@ btopenworld. com writes:

 

Maria

 

The program is the program because of the steps!

 

Lots of other programs [ & diets] say *take sugar out*.

 

Doing so plunges us into deep shock, and is generally unsustainable

anyway.

 

The work Kathleen does and publishes is all about healing, and for me it

has meant a new life. Do you see the difference?

 

Mel

 

--- On Sun, 7/3/10, _marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) mar_ (marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) com)

<_marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) mar_ (marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) com) > wrote:

 

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____________ _________ _________ ______

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3/6/2010 7:13:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time

Subj: Re: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance from family

 

Hi there,

 

This message made me think. I am working hard on step one, but it is

very

difficult to not want to quit sugar and bread etc. all at once. I have

read all of Kathleen's books now, and can't imagine putting those things

in

my body any longer! How can we continue to do that once we have read

the

material and know what it does to our bodies and minds? (and families!!)

 

 

I appreciate any feedback.... I

 

Thank you so much,

 

Maria

 

In a message dated 3/6/2010 6:47:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

_emilyf (AT) pobox (DOT) emi_ (emilyf (AT) pobox (DOT) com) writes:

 

Diane,

 

A couple of thoughts for you. First, I'd really recommend waiting on the

diet coke. It really is easier once we've got steady on the food with

steps

1-5 under us. I know some folks leave diet coke for very last. I found

that I wanted it less and less on step 3 and it just gradually went away.

Others plan a specific detox for it.

 

You know, somehow the more we focus on the food, the more those other

issues

seem to smooth out. It's sort of like magic. I wanted to explore all sorts

of other issues, but I found that just distracted me from my steps and my

healing. I've found that Radiant Recovery has taught me a whole different

way of being in the world. We try to really focus on breakfast on this

list, but you could certainly ask for ideas in how to handle questions

about

weight and what you are eating on the forum or YLD (if you are a member).

 

Shake, bacon, brown, and diet coke sounds like the ideal breakfast for you

for tomorrow. What will you have for your brown do you think? We've been

experimenting with muffins a lot lately and last night with dinner we had

skin-on hash browns. I was sad there weren't leftovers as they'd have made

a great breakfast brown.

 

Emily

 

_radiantstepone@ _radiantstepone

(_radiantste pone@radiantstep orad_

(radiantstepone) ) [_radiantste [_

radiant[ _r

(_radiantste pone@radiantstep orad_

(radiantstepone) ) ]

On Behalf Of Diane

Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:41 PM

_radiantstepone@ _radiants

(_radiantste pone@radiantstep orad_

(radiantstepone) )

[radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance from family

 

This week has been tough for me - my mood is MUCH worse due to PMS and I

feel so lethargic. I'm back to crawling out of bed, feeling like I have a

dead weight of dread in my stomach and I've started having white carbs

for

b/fast and craving and having Diet Coke. I know we're not supposed to

do

anything but breakfast in step one, but I'd really like to wean myself off

that Coke. But the cravings are dreadful! I went a month without it last

year but then came back to it big time.

 

Also, last night my mum (the only person who knows I'm doing RR apart from

you guys) laid into me about eating too much fat and protein and sweet

things and how I need to lose weight... She's a very supportive person

normally but won't take in anything I tell her about how starvation diets

only make people crave more, about how balancing my mood will help me get

everything else in check (she thinks it will take too long doing PNP) etc

etc. We ended up screaming at each other and I collapsed in tears.

 

I realised later that actually, I'm 31 and it's OK if she doesn't

understand. But it's very hard for me to go things alone without anyone's

approval. I know we focus on the food here, but GOSH that really isn't all

that we learn about, is it?

 

Anyway, just needed to blab to people who hopefully understand.

 

I'm going to to bed a bit earlier tonight, and will have a small shake,

some

(British) bacon and a BROWN tomorrow. Will probably also have Diet Coke.

Baby steps.

 

Diane x

 

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I didn't arrive at this conclusion solo!

 

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-- Sent from my Palm Prē

On 15 Mar 2010 15:43, Heather Butler & lt;hawaiihmb & gt; wrote:

 

I love this, Mel, switching the focus from sugar to the step was exactly what

moved me forward in recovery. I just hadn't put my finger on it before.

 

 

 

Heather

 

 

 

There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle.

The other is as though everything is a miracle.

 

--Albert Einstein

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

 

mel & lt;shaggypoo.chaos & gt;

 

 

 

Sun, March 7, 2010 9:27:11 AM

 

Re: Fwd: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and

resis

 

 

 

 

 

Maria

 

 

 

The key is to focus on the Step you are on, not on sugar.

 

 

 

Give it your all.

 

 

 

Give sugar no energy.

 

 

 

Mel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 7/3/10, marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) com & lt;marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) com & gt; wrote:

 

 

 

marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) com & lt;marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) com & gt;

 

Re: Fwd: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango

and resis

 

 

 

Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 14:13

 

 

 

Mel,

 

 

 

Yes, I completely understand the reasoning behind her steps. I am looking

 

for healing as well. But I just wonder how I can keep putting things into

 

my body when I am so aware of the harm it is doing. I am going to strive

 

to do the steps in order, I just know it is going to be quite a journey.

 

 

 

Maria

 

 

 

In a message dated 3/7/2010 4:49:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

 

shaggypoo.chaos@ btopenworld. com writes:

 

 

 

Maria

 

 

 

The program is the program because of the steps!

 

 

 

Lots of other programs [ & amp; diets] say *take sugar out*.

 

 

 

Doing so plunges us into deep shock, and is generally unsustainable

 

anyway.

 

 

 

The work Kathleen does and publishes is all about healing, and for me it

 

has meant a new life. Do you see the difference?

 

 

 

Mel

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 7/3/10, _marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) mar_ (marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) com)

 

& lt;_marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) mar_ (marmatraz (AT) aol (DOT) com) & gt; wrote:

 

 

 

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____________ _________ _________ ______

 

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_radiantstepone@ radiantsteporad_

 

(radiantstepone)

 

3/6/2010 7:13:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time

 

Subj: Re: [radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance from family

 

 

 

Hi there,

 

 

 

This message made me think. I am working hard on step one, but it is

 

very

 

difficult to not want to quit sugar and bread etc. all at once. I have

 

read all of Kathleen's books now, and can't imagine putting those things

 

in

 

my body any longer! How can we continue to do that once we have read

 

the

 

material and know what it does to our bodies and minds? (and families!!)

 

 

 

 

 

I appreciate any feedback.... I

 

 

 

Thank you so much,

 

 

 

Maria

 

 

 

In a message dated 3/6/2010 6:47:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

 

_emilyf (AT) pobox (DOT) emi_ (emilyf (AT) pobox (DOT) com) writes:

 

 

 

Diane,

 

 

 

A couple of thoughts for you. First, I'd really recommend waiting on the

 

diet coke. It really is easier once we've got steady on the food with

 

steps

 

1-5 under us. I know some folks leave diet coke for very last. I found

 

that I wanted it less and less on step 3 and it just gradually went away.

 

Others plan a specific detox for it.

 

 

 

You know, somehow the more we focus on the food, the more those other

 

issues

 

seem to smooth out. It's sort of like magic. I wanted to explore all sorts

 

of other issues, but I found that just distracted me from my steps and my

 

healing. I've found that Radiant Recovery has taught me a whole different

 

way of being in the world. We try to really focus on breakfast on this

 

list, but you could certainly ask for ideas in how to handle questions

 

about

 

weight and what you are eating on the forum or YLD (if you are a member).

 

 

 

Shake, bacon, brown, and diet coke sounds like the ideal breakfast for you

 

for tomorrow. What will you have for your brown do you think? We've been

 

experimenting with muffins a lot lately and last night with dinner we had

 

skin-on hash browns. I was sad there weren't leftovers as they'd have made

 

a great breakfast brown.

 

 

 

Emily

 

 

 

_radiantstepone@ _radiantstepone

 

(_radiantste pone@radiantstep orad_

 

(radiantstepone) ) [_radiantste [_

radiant[ _r

 

(_radiantste pone@radiantstep orad_

 

(radiantstepone) ) ]

 

On Behalf Of Diane

 

Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:41 PM

 

_radiantstepone@ _radiants

 

(_radiantste pone@radiantstep orad_

 

(radiantstepone) )

 

[radiantstepone] The hormone fandango and resistance from family

 

 

 

This week has been tough for me - my mood is MUCH worse due to PMS and I

 

feel so lethargic. I'm back to crawling out of bed, feeling like I have a

 

dead weight of dread in my stomach and I've started having white carbs

 

for

 

b/fast and craving and having Diet Coke. I know we're not supposed to

 

do

 

anything but breakfast in step one, but I'd really like to wean myself off

 

that Coke. But the cravings are dreadful! I went a month without it last

 

year but then came back to it big time.

 

 

 

Also, last night my mum (the only person who knows I'm doing RR apart from

 

you guys) laid into me about eating too much fat and protein and sweet

 

things and how I need to lose weight... She's a very supportive person

 

normally but won't take in anything I tell her about how starvation diets

 

only make people crave more, about how balancing my mood will help me get

 

everything else in check (she thinks it will take too long doing PNP) etc

 

etc. We ended up screaming at each other and I collapsed in tears.

 

 

 

I realised later that actually, I'm 31 and it's OK if she doesn't

 

understand. But it's very hard for me to go things alone without anyone's

 

approval. I know we focus on the food here, but GOSH that really isn't all

 

that we learn about, is it?

 

 

 

Anyway, just needed to blab to people who hopefully understand.

 

 

 

I'm going to to bed a bit earlier tonight, and will have a small shake,

 

some

 

(British) bacon and a BROWN tomorrow. Will probably also have Diet Coke.

 

Baby steps.

 

 

 

Diane x

 

 

 

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