Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 Is your plate harming the planet? Eating meat leaves behind an environmental toll that generations to come will be forced to pay. Land: Of all agricultural land in the U.S., 87 percent is used to raise animals for food - that's 45 percent of the total land mass in the U.S. Water: More than half of all the water consumed in the U.S. for all purposes is used to raise animals for food. It takes 2,500 gallons of water to produce a pound of meat, but only 25 gallons to produce a pound of wheat. A totally vegetarian diet requires 300 gallons of water per day, while a meat-eating diet requires more than 4,000 gallons of water per day. Pollution: Raising animals for food causes more water pollution in the U.S. than any other industry because animals raised for food produce 130 times the excrement of the entire human population - 87,000 pounds per second! Much of the waste from factory farms and slaughterhouses flows into streams and rivers, contaminating water sources. Energy: Of all raw materials and fossil fuels used in the U.S., more than one-third is used to raise animals for food. Producing a single hamburger patty takes enough fossil fuel to drive a small car 20 miles and enough water for 17 showers. Deforestation: Each vegetarian saves an acre of trees every year! More than 260 million acres of U.S. forest have been cleared to grow crops to feed animals raised for meat, and another acre of trees disappears every eight seconds. The tropical rain forests are also being destroyed to create grazing land for cattle. Fifty-five square feet of rain forest may be razed to produce just one quarter-pound burger. Resources: In the U.S., animals raised for food are fed more than 80 percent of the corn we grow and more than 95 percent of the oats. The world's cattle alone consume a quantity of food equal to the caloric needs of 8.7 billion people - more than the entire human population on Earth. ---------- ---------------------------- The above information is taken from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals' Vegetarian Starter Kit. To order a free copy, call 1-888-VEG-FOOD or visit GoVeg.com. Check out http://MeatsNoTreat.tripod.com To save the rainforest, visit EcologyFund.com ___________ Planet-Save.com: FREE e-mail that allows you to save Amazon rainforest! Sign up at now http://www.planet-save.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 May I ask why you are lecturing vegans? I, for one, am part of this group for the purpose of sharing recipes and crock pot ideas based on veganism...not to be lectured like a schoolchild. Wouldn't your efforts be put to greater use on lists designed for sharing political ideas, or with groups of people who eat meat? Just a thought.... ~Celia P.S. I don't believe Cheri has laid down ground rules prohibiting posts of this nature, so I'm sure you are not in violation of anything, B-U-T this was not the spirit in which this list was formed! Schwartz <jschwartz124 wrote: Is your plate harming the planet?Eating meat leaves behind an environmental toll that generations to comewill be forced to pay.Land:Of all agricultural land in the U.S., 87 percent is used to raise animalsfor food - that's 45 percent of the total land mass in the U.S.Water:More than half of all the water consumed in the U.S. for all purposes isused to raise animals for food. It takes 2,500 gallons of water to producea pound of meat, but only 25 gallons to produce a pound of wheat. A totallyvegetarian diet requires 300 gallons of water per day, while a meat-eatingdiet requires more than 4,000 gallons of water per day.Pollution:Raising animals for food causes more water pollution in the U.S. than anyother industry because animals raised for food produce 130 times theexcrement of the entire human population - 87,000 pounds per second! Muchof the waste from factory farms and slaughterhouses flows into streams andrivers, contaminating water sources.Energy:Of all raw materials and fossil fuels used in the U.S., more than one-thirdis used to raise animals for food. Producing a single hamburger patty takesenough fossil fuel to drive a small car 20 miles and enough water for 17showers.Deforestation:Each vegetarian saves an acre of trees every year! More than 260 millionacres of U.S. forest have been cleared to grow crops to feed animals raisedfor meat, and another acre of trees disappears every eight seconds. Thetropical rain forests are also being destroyed to create grazing land forcattle. Fifty-five square feet of rain forest may be razed to produce justone quarter-pound burger.Resources:In the U.S., animals raised for food are fed more than 80 percent of thecorn we grow and more than 95 percent of the oats. The world's cattle aloneconsume a quantity of food equal to the caloric needs of 8.7 billionpeople - more than the entire human population on Earth.--------------------------The above information is taken from People for the Ethical Treatment ofAnimals' Vegetarian Starter Kit. To order a free copy, call 1-888-VEG-FOODor visit GoVeg.com.Check out http://MeatsNoTreat.tripod.comTo save the rainforest, visit EcologyFund.com___________Planet-Save.com: FREE e-mail that allows you to save Amazon rainforest!Sign up at now http://www.planet-save.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 Namaste. In a way I don't feel right about 'banning' something I basically agree with, but yeah, I joined this list because I wanted to get some good meatless crockpot recipes. I'd vote for restricting the list to that. -- Chari In a message dated 12/23/2001 2:49:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, glitterophelia writes: if everyone agrees, i will be happy to ban these sort of posts from the list. i'm on many lists so when one goes out, i get five copies of it at least. any thoughts ???? feedback?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 if everyone agrees, i will be happy to ban these sort of posts from the list. i'm on many lists so when one goes out, i get five copies of it at least. any thoughts ???? feedback?? it is annoying to get lectured on the things we already know :-p cherrie May I ask why you are lecturing vegans? I, for one, am part of this group for the purpose of sharing recipes and crock pot ideas based on veganism...not to be lectured like a schoolchild. Wouldn't your efforts be put to greater use on lists designed for sharing political ideas, or with groups of people who eat meat? Just a thought.... ~Celia P.S. I don't believe Cheri has laid down ground rules prohibiting posts of this nature, so I'm sure you are not in violation of anything, B-U-T this was not the spirit in which this list was formed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 I was just posting it so that vegans would have one more thing to tell meat-eaters who ask why they are vegan. Sorry you didn't like it. -Jeremy --- " glitterophelia " <glitterophelia wrote: > > > > > ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2>if everyone agrees, i will be >happy to ban these sort of posts from the list. i'm on many lists so when one >goes out, i get five copies of it at least. & nbsp; </FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2></FONT> & nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2>any thoughts ???? >feedback??</FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2></FONT> & nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2>it is annoying to get >lectured on the things we already know :-p</FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2></FONT> & nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2>cherrie</FONT></DIV> ><BLOCKQUOTE >style= " PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #800080 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px " > > <DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2></FONT><BR></DIV> > <P>May I ask why you are lecturing vegans? & nbsp; I, for one, am & nbsp;part of > this group for the purpose of sharing recipes and crock pot ideas based on > veganism...not to be lectured like a schoolchild. & nbsp; Wouldn't your efforts > be put to greater use on lists designed for sharing political ideas, or with > groups of people who eat meat? & nbsp; Just a thought.... > <P>~Celia > <P>P.S. & nbsp;I don't believe Cheri has laid down ground rules prohibiting > posts of this nature, so I'm sure you are not in violation of anything, B-U-T > this was not the spirit in which this list was formed! & nbsp; ></P></BLOCKQUOTE> ><br> > ><!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > ><table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> ><tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> ><td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> ></tr> ><tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> ><td align=center width=470><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td align=center><font face=arial size=-2></font><br><a href= " http://rd./M=210353.1778862.3296836.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705041\ 716:HM/A=900178/R=0/*http://www.capcom.com//.xpml " target=_top><img src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ca/capcom/300x250_promo.gif " alt= " " width= " 300 " height= " 250 " border= " 0 " ></a></td></tr></table></td> ></tr> ><tr><td><img alt= " " width=1 height=1 src= " http://us.adserver./l?M=210353.1778862.3296836.1261774/D=egroupmai\ l/S=1705041716:HM/A=900178/rand=330979447 " ></td></tr> ></table> > ><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> > > ><br> ><tt> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 Glitter: Guess I don't need to tell you how I feel about the subject! It's not that I disagree with the message, but there is a time and place for everything, and IMHO, this is not one of them. There are plenty of lists designed for politics, and like you, Cherrie, I get 5 copies of everything. Anyway...I'm sure Jerry did not mean to be disrespectful, but sometimes vegans are a little overzealous (me included) and plaster our message everywhere, much to everyone's annoyance. Have a nice day, folks! ~Celia glitterophelia <glitterophelia wrote: if everyone agrees, i will be happy to ban these sort of posts from the list. i'm on many lists so when one goes out, i get five copies of it at least. any thoughts ???? feedback?? it is annoying to get lectured on the things we already know :-p cherrie Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 I agree that we don't need these posts. I don't think anyone in this (or any other vegetarian list) needs to be "converted". We're all here because this is how we live and eat already. Becky - glitterophelia Sunday, December 23, 2001 12:03 PM Re: Meat Eating's Effect on the Environment if everyone agrees, i will be happy to ban these sort of posts from the list. i'm on many lists so when one goes out, i get five copies of it at least. any thoughts ???? feedback?? it is annoying to get lectured on the things we already know :-p cherrie May I ask why you are lecturing vegans? I, for one, am part of this group for the purpose of sharing recipes and crock pot ideas based on veganism...not to be lectured like a schoolchild. Wouldn't your efforts be put to greater use on lists designed for sharing political ideas, or with groups of people who eat meat? Just a thought.... ~Celia P.S. I don't believe Cheri has laid down ground rules prohibiting posts of this nature, so I'm sure you are not in violation of anything, B-U-T this was not the spirit in which this list was formed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 ok. thats fine --- " glitterophelia " <glitterophelia wrote: > > > > > ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2>jeremy, i understand your >wanting to help...but like it has been stated, this is primarily a cooking list >and we'd like to keep it that way!!! & nbsp; most of us already know these things >anyway, and there are many lists out there that really utilize these sorts of >posts! & nbsp; i wish you luck in your endeavors, and i really don't want to ban >you from the list! & nbsp; so how about this, we all agree that these sort of >posts should remain off of this particular list?</FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2></FONT> & nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2>thanks!</FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2></FONT> & nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2>cherrie</FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2></FONT> & nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2></FONT> & nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV><FONT face= " Arial Black " color=#800080 size=2></FONT> & nbsp;</DIV> ><DIV><TT>I was just posting it so that vegans would have one more thing to tell >meat-eaters who ask why they are vegan. & nbsp; Sorry you didn't like >it.<BR><BR>-Jeremy<BR></DIV></TT> ><br> > ><!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > ><table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> ><tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> ><td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> ></tr> ><tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> ><td align=center width=470><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td align=center><font face=arial size=-2></font><br><a href= " http://rd./M=215002.1711356.3237013.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705041\ 716:HM/A=847665/R=0/*http://ads.x10.com/?bHlhaG9vbW9uc3RlcjcuZGF0=1009148280%3eM\ =215002.1711356.3237013.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705041716:HM/A=847665/R=1 " target=_top><img src= " http://ads.x10.com/?Z3lhaG9vbW9uc3RlcjcuZGF0=1009148280%3eM=215002.1711356.\ 3237013.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705041716:HM/A=847665/R=2 " alt= " " width= " 300 " height= " 250 " border= " 0 " ></a></td></tr></table></td> ></tr> ><tr><td><img alt= " " width=1 height=1 src= " http://us.adserver./l?M=215002.1711356.3237013.1261774/D=egroupmai\ l/S=1705041716:HM/A=847665/rand=384800399 " ></td></tr> ></table> > ><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> > > ><br> ><tt> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 jeremy, i understand your wanting to help...but like it has been stated, this is primarily a cooking list and we'd like to keep it that way!!! most of us already know these things anyway, and there are many lists out there that really utilize these sorts of posts! i wish you luck in your endeavors, and i really don't want to ban you from the list! so how about this, we all agree that these sort of posts should remain off of this particular list? thanks! cherrie I was just posting it so that vegans would have one more thing to tell meat-eaters who ask why they are vegan. Sorry you didn't like it.-Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 thanks so much! *hugs* cherrie ok. thats fine--- "glitterophelia" <glitterophelia wrote:> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2001 Report Share Posted December 24, 2001 Well, my reply may not count for much, but here goes. I honestly decided to become a vegan based on health issues. This is not to say that I am not concerned with animal rights--I am. But no matter how we feel about that issue, there will ALWAYS be humans that feel they need meat ( a totally disgusting thought by the way). I do not feel that it is something worth causing war over. We have enough of that already! My experience has taught me that most people learn by example and by kind and gentle ways--not by meanness and forceful ideas. I find that I can convert people simply by letting they taste some of the types of food that I eat. If I told them all these awful facts about animal abuse, they would shut me out and not hear a word I said. That is quite simply the way humans are. They don't want to hear about the torture that animals go through for becoming our food, nor do they want to hear about how we get feathers for our beds and pillows (a most horrible experience for the poor creatures involved), or how deadly it is for animals AND humans to make leather! But if we show they how good our food tastes and how much better they will feel, they will choose our way. In light of these thoughts, we should keep our posts here to do with crockpot cooking as the board was designed to do. Anything more will simply turn possible converts away. Namaste W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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