Posting recipes

[Guest guest]

I'm not a lawyer, so take this all with a grain of salt....

and I certainly don't intend this as a criticism of anybody. You've

all been very generous with your contributions to this list, and I

thank you.

 

My understanding is that the list of ingredients for a recipe can't

be copyrighted, but the narrative describing how to prepare the item

or dish can be (or is copyrighted.)

 

If I'd like to share a recipe from a cookbook, my approach is to try

the recipe, perhaps more than once, and then re-write the narrative,

adding in my observations and experiences, and perhaps suggesting a

variation. That way I figure I add a little value, too. I usually

(but not always) remember to tack on " adapted from.... " at the end of

the recipe, to credit the original source.

[Guest guest]

I agree that if you got the recipe from a book or website, please credit the

source! If you adapted it or changed it to be vegan, that'd be a great

thing to note! People who do work hard at putting together recipes do

tend to get offended when a recipe is posted that they made and they don't

get credited.

 

cherrie

 

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" msbauju " <msbauju

 

Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:56 AM

Posting recipes

 

 

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> I'm not a lawyer, so take this all with a grain of salt....

> and I certainly don't intend this as a criticism of anybody. You've

> all been very generous with your contributions to this list, and I

> thank you.

>

> My understanding is that the list of ingredients for a recipe can't

> be copyrighted, but the narrative describing how to prepare the item

> or dish can be (or is copyrighted.)

>

> If I'd like to share a recipe from a cookbook, my approach is to try

> the recipe, perhaps more than once, and then re-write the narrative,

> adding in my observations and experiences, and perhaps suggesting a

> variation. That way I figure I add a little value, too. I usually

> (but not always) remember to tack on " adapted from.... " at the end of

> the recipe, to credit the original source.

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>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

This is Pat (used to be psybermus - changed addy).

 

I also understand that while citing the source of a recipe is okay in most

cases, 'borrowing' a recipe from the Files of a list (such as this) or from the

Archives (that's what we're in now) and posting it elsewhere is a no-no without

permission of the original person posting (who holds copyright). Whether or

not that still applies if the recipe is credited to a third party I don't know.

 

Best, Pat ;=)

now veggiehound

 

> I agree that if you got the recipe from a book or website, please credit the

> source! If you adapted it or changed it to be vegan, that'd be a great

> thing to note! People who do work hard at putting together recipes do

> tend to get offended when a recipe is posted that they made and they don't

> get credited.

[Guest guest]

> This is Pat (used to be psybermus - changed addy).

>

> I also understand that while citing the source of a recipe is okay

> in most

> cases, 'borrowing' a recipe from the Files of a list (such as this)

> or from the

> Archives (that's what we're in now) and posting it elsewhere is a

> no-no without

> permission of the original person posting (who holds copyright).

> Whether or

> not that still applies if the recipe is credited to a third party I

> don't know.

 

Hi Pat,

 

I've never heard that rule. I've had lots of recipes that I've posted

to lists show up on websites. I think www.ivu.org/recipes/ and

vegweb.com both started out by taking many of the recipes that were

posted on the fatfree list and on VegList and using them on their

websites. Fortunately, both credit the original poster, which I think

is the important thing. I've been able to find recipes that I posted

over 10 years ago and forgot about by doing a search of my (former)

name.

 

I think it's hard to maintain control of a recipe once it's gone out

to hundreds of people's email boxes. People often save those emails

in files on their computers pass them around to friends and other

lists/boards. I often re-post recipes that I've gotten from

lists/boards, but I'm careful to site the author, the person who

posted it (if different), and the name/location of the list it came

from. This gives everyone involved credit and directs traffic back to

the source of the recipe.

 

I also advise people that if they don't want to see something they

wrote turn up in unexpected places, don't post it to email lists.

There's no guarantee of privacy when you post to a list.

 

Susan

[Guest guest]

Hi Susan - yes we all find recipes we've posted everywhere - and I apologize

if I have knocked this OT. What I said, in part, was:

 

> >'borrowing' a recipe from the Files of a list (such as this)

> > or from the

> > Archives (that's what we're in now) and posting it elsewhere is a

> > no-no without

> > permission of the original person posting (who holds copyright).

 

The copyright I was referring to in the final word above is the copyright to the

*

post* - I have copyright to this post now, for example. (Not that I'm concerned

for its content, but it is mine.) Not that many seem to observe such niceties,

but

I think you'll find this is correct. (Just as if a famous author and I

correspond

over some years, for eg, I *own* the physical letters he or she sends, but I do

not own copyright to them and therefore may not reproduce them without

permission of the author or his or her estate.) I was just wondering how much

that applied to *recipes* other than ones own concoctions if they are

contained in the post. Again apologies for that which is OT - only used as

example for clarification.

 

I thought I ought to answer the original post re copyright on recipes since it

is I

who had offered, in response to a specific inquiry, to send recipes I had found

useful from the Jaffrey cookbook. (Since this has arisen, of course, they

cannot now be sent.)

 

The issue of copyright is OT of course, I realize that, and am therefore not

seeking an answer here. I apologize for answering the original post - and I

apologize for this. Thanks, Susan, for your useful comments ;=) But I will now

return to lurkdom LOL

Best, Pat ;=)

[Guest guest]

I've talked with a couple of veg'n cookbook authors about this issue, and

here's what I know:

 

1) yes, the ingredients cannot be copyrighted (just like measurements in

the periodic table)

 

2) " adapted from " credit is advisable

 

3) posting a complete receipe with actual original text descriptions and

giving credit to the author isn't always acceptable. Some authors don't

mind, some immediately send legal notices.

 

When in doubt, contact the author... I know that Bryanna Grogan has a very

liberal policy, and Joanne Stepaniak does NOT like to see her original

recipes posted anywherre, particularly in a static website.

 

Finally, I think with crockpot recipes we've got it easier.... let's face

it, put it all in, turn crockpot on slow or high for x hours. Not much

need for descriptive text!

 

FYI, Mark