What if your child wants to eat meat?

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Hello, Shelly from Canada here. We are a vegetarian family. Myself and my 3

daughters have all been veg for just under a year. One of my children wants meat

sometimes, i always tell her no because something has to die to give it to her.

Well i have softened up a bit, perhaps it has been the criticism from others

that has done it, i do not know. She wanted fish, so i got her some. My other

child was offended, and the youngest was confused. We really care about animals

and the environment so i feel bad. We were vegan until recently too, but we went

back to lacto/ovo out of convenience. It is really difficult for a single mom of

3 who lives in the north to keep that up. A friend asked me a few questions,

perhaps someone would like to give their opinion. I know i would love to hear

it. " Is it ever OK to eat meat? " " Are there particular circumstances where it is

OK to kill to eat? " " Is it beneficial to a child if they are refused meat if

they ask for it? " " Should a noncustodial parent be

denied (long distance) visitation because they blatantly disrespect the young

child's vegetarianism? " What can a parent do to help previously omni children

stick to vegetarianism and ultimately veganism? Their weeknesses are: eggs,

cheese, pepperoni,chicken nuggets, and sour cream. Peace, Shelly

 

 

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Have you tried meat analogues? My son loves things like boca burgers...

 

cherrie

 

 

On 3/27/06, shelly <joychild72 wrote:

>

> Hello, Shelly from Canada here. We are a vegetarian family. Myself and my

> 3 daughters have all been veg for just under a year. One of my children

> wants meat sometimes, i always tell her no because something has to die to

> give it to her. Well i have softened up a bit, perhaps it has been the

> criticism from others that has done it, i do not know. She wanted fish, so i

> got her some. My other child was offended, and the youngest was confused. We

> really care about animals and the environment so i feel bad. We were vegan

> until recently too, but we went back to lacto/ovo out of convenience. It is

> really difficult for a single mom of 3 who lives in the north to keep that

> up. A friend asked me a few questions, perhaps someone would like to give

> their opinion. I know i would love to hear it. " Is it ever OK to eat meat? "

> " Are there particular circumstances where it is OK to kill to eat? " " Is it

> beneficial to a child if they are refused meat if they ask for it? " " Should

> a noncustodial parent be

> denied (long distance) visitation because they blatantly disrespect the

> young child's vegetarianism? " What can a parent do to help previously omni

> children stick to vegetarianism and ultimately veganism? Their weeknesses

> are: eggs, cheese, pepperoni,chicken nuggets, and sour cream. Peace, Shelly

>

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shelly wrote:

> Hello, Shelly from Canada here. We are a vegetarian family. Myself and

> my 3 daughters have all been veg for just under a year. One of my

> children wants meat sometimes, i always tell her no because something

> has to die to give it to her. Well i have softened up a bit, perhaps

> it has been the criticism from others that has done it, i do not know.

> She wanted fish, so i got her some. My other child was offended, and

> the youngest was confused. We really care about animals and the

> environment so i feel bad. We were vegan until recently too, but we

> went back to lacto/ovo out of convenience. It is really difficult for

> a single mom of 3 who lives in the north to keep that up. A friend

> asked me a few questions, perhaps someone would like to give their

> opinion. I know i would love to hear it. " Is it ever OK to eat meat? "

> " Are there particular circumstances where it is OK to kill to eat? "

> " Is it beneficial to a child if they are refused meat if they ask for

> it? & q uot; " Should a noncustodial parent be

> denied (long distance) visitation because they blatantly disrespect

> the young child's vegetarianism? " What can a parent do to help

> previously omni children stick to vegetarianism and ultimately

> veganism? Their weeknesses are: eggs, cheese, pepperoni,chicken

> nuggets, and sour cream. Peace, Shelly

>

>

> Here's how I handled it with my child (who is now 15). If he wants to

> eat meat, he has to do it consciously, which means that he has to

> befriend an animal, and watch her/him being murdered. (He has never

> chosen to do this). If he wishes to eat eggs or dairy products, he

> can, but he has never chosen to.

Donna Faith K-Brooks

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You can't get vegan " eggs " but you can get nearly everything else

in vegan form. Personally, I don't think it's ever okay to kill

but my husband and son feel otherwise. I am the only vegan in our

home. As far as non-custodial parent--that's pretty much up to the

courts here in the US. The problem with the kinds of foods that

there is weakness for--they are extremely unhealthy. Chicken

nuggets are simply the gross parts of the chicken in unhealthy

breading and fat. I certainly would not eat it, but cannot deny my

grandsons if they are not vegan/vegetarians because it's not my

place to do so.

 

Good luck to you!

 

Wendy

 

 

 

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What if your child wants to eat

meat?

 

Hello, Shelly from Canada here. We are a vegetarian family. Myself

and my 3 daughters have all been veg for just under a year. One of

my children wants meat sometimes, i always tell her no because

something has to die to give it to her. Well i have softened up a

bit, perhaps it has been the criticism from others that has done

it, i do not know. She wanted fish, so i got her some. My other

child was offended, and the youngest was confused. We really care

about animals and the environment so i feel bad. We were vegan

until recently too, but we went back to lacto/ovo out of

convenience. It is really difficult for a single mom of 3 who

lives in the north to keep that up. A friend asked me a few

questions, perhaps someone would like to give their opinion. I

know i would love to hear it. " Is it ever OK to eat meat? " " Are

there particular circumstances where it is OK to kill to eat? " " Is

it beneficial to a child if they are refused meat if they ask for

it? " " Should a noncustodial pa

rent be

denied (long distance) visitation because they blatantly

disrespect the young child's vegetarianism? " What can a parent do

to help previously omni children stick to vegetarianism and

ultimately veganism? Their weeknesses are: eggs, cheese,

pepperoni,chicken nuggets, and sour cream. Peace, Shelly

 

 

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If you are okay with Vegetarian and not vegan - Schneiders Oh Natural

" Chicken Nuggets " are vegetarian. Taste like meat too! I know a number of

people who aren't vegetarian (including me) who are fooled. Also Licks

nature burgers. Better than some meat burgers out there.

 

Harvey's nature burger is vegan, Timmies Oat Cakes are and most of their

bagels (The honey ones aren't obviously) and so are the light (not regular)

muffins.

 

That's all I can think of right now off hand. But having normal kid friendly

places to eat makes a differnce!

 

Yvonne

 

 

 

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shelly wrote:

> Hello, Shelly from Canada here. We are a vegetarian family. Myself and my 3

daughters have all been veg for just under a year. One of my children wants meat

sometimes, i always tell her no because something has to die to give it to her.

Well i have softened up a bit, perhaps it has been the criticism from others

that has done it, i do not know. She wanted fish, so i got her some. My other

child was offended, and the youngest was confused. We really care about animals

and the environment so i feel bad. We were vegan until recently too, but we went

back to lacto/ovo out of convenience. It is really difficult for a single mom of

3 who lives in the north to keep that up. A friend asked me a few questions,

perhaps someone would like to give their opinion. I know i would love to hear

it. " Is it ever OK to eat meat? " " Are there particular circumstances where it is

OK to kill to eat? " " Is it beneficial to a child if they are refused meat if

they ask for it? " " Should a noncustodial

parent be

> denied (long distance) visitation because they blatantly disrespect the young

child's vegetarianism? " What can a parent do to help previously omni children

stick to vegetarianism and ultimately veganism? Their weeknesses are: eggs,

cheese, pepperoni,chicken nuggets, and sour cream. Peace, Shelly

hey there,

our theory on kids and meat is, if they want to eat it they can. it's

not our place to make that descishion for our kids. now that said we

won't buy meat for our kids, or cook meat for our kids. if they are at a

party and want a burger, that is there choice (luckily we haven't had it

happen yet). now if we are out at dinner at a restaurant, and we are

paying for it, no meat. we won't finachally support the killing of

animals for food. good luck

peace

jeff

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Is it ever okay to eat meat? Is it okay to kill to eat?

 

What if you were on a plane that crashed into a mountain and there was no food?

What if you were faced with choice of eating animals or the other passengers.

There are I suppose extreme cases where anyone might do anything just to stay

alive. Fortunately I haven't been in that situation and I live in a world with

a plethora of food choices.

 

I don't know that you can force your childrens' father out of their lives. You

can however ban him from bringing animal products into your home when he is

visiting you. And you can pack food for your children if they are visiting him

(or any other relatives for that matter).

 

The *problem* foods you listed. There are vegan versions of chicken nuggets out

there. If I were having trouble finding a vegan version for my daughter I would

buy something like quorn, boca, or MSF chicken nuggets. Vegan may be best but I

firmly believe that vegetarian is still better than the last resort. My

daughter likes the SmartPepperoni - I like Yves so there are 2 good vegan

versions of pepperoni. Tofutti makes better than Sour Cream. As far as eggs go

I don't think there is a substitute for like sunny side up or something (I was

never much of an egg eater) I use energ egg replacer for things like cake or

brownies. And we eat tofu scrambler occasionally. I would if it were my kids

limit the amount of eggs to 2 or 3 per week. And try to get organic or local

farm eggs. There are some good vegan cheeses (most of them suck though). What

I would do there is again try to get organic cheese and limit the amount that

they were allowed to have. And I would do a lot of

education with my children.

Renee

 

shelly <joychild72 wrote: Hello, Shelly from Canada here. We are a

vegetarian family. Myself and my 3 daughters have all been veg for just under a

year. One of my children wants meat sometimes, i always tell her no because

something has to die to give it to her. Well i have softened up a bit, perhaps

it has been the criticism from others that has done it, i do not know. She

wanted fish, so i got her some. My other child was offended, and the youngest

was confused. We really care about animals and the environment so i feel bad. We

were vegan until recently too, but we went back to lacto/ovo out of convenience.

It is really difficult for a single mom of 3 who lives in the north to keep that

up. A friend asked me a few questions, perhaps someone would like to give their

opinion. I know i would love to hear it. " Is it ever OK to eat meat? " " Are there

particular circumstances where it is OK to kill to eat? " " Is it beneficial to a

child if they are refused meat if they ask

for it? " " Should a noncustodial parent be

denied (long distance) visitation because they blatantly disrespect the young

child's vegetarianism? " What can a parent do to help previously omni children

stick to vegetarianism and ultimately veganism? Their weeknesses are: eggs,

cheese, pepperoni,chicken nuggets, and sour cream. Peace, Shelly

 

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[Guest guest]

boca's chicken nuggets are usually vegan. check the ingredients to be sure, they

changed their recipe and there might still be some boxes out there with eggs in

them. i honestly don't remember how real chicken nuggets taste, but i love

those. not to mention morningstar farm's chicken and steak strips. good, but

pricey!

 

Yvonne <yummy1 wrote: If you are okay with Vegetarian and not vegan

- Schneiders Oh Natural

" Chicken Nuggets " are vegetarian. Taste like meat too! I know a number of

people who aren't vegetarian (including me) who are fooled. Also Licks

nature burgers. Better than some meat burgers out there.

 

Harvey's nature burger is vegan, Timmies Oat Cakes are and most of their

bagels (The honey ones aren't obviously) and so are the light (not regular)

muffins.

 

That's all I can think of right now off hand. But having normal kid friendly

places to eat makes a differnce!

 

Yvonne

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, shelly <joychild72 wrote:

>

She wanted fish, so i got her some. My other child was offended, and

the youngest was confused. We really care about animals and the

environment so i feel bad.

 

IF SHE REALLY WANTS THE FISH, YOU COULD COMPROMISE AND TELL HER THAT

AT HOME SHE MUST BE VEGETARIAN BUT THAT IF YOU GO OUT TO A

RESTARAUNT SHE MAY EAT FISH. THEN SHE IS LESS LIKELY TO FULL OUT

REBEL ABOUT IT AND MAYBE OVER TIME SHE WILL NO LONGER EVEN WANT FISH.

 

We were vegan until recently too, but we went back to lacto/ovo out

of convenience. It is really difficult for a single mom of 3 who

lives in the north to keep that up.

 

I UNDERSTAND. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE VEGAN BUT OUR CHILDREN ARE LACTO-

OVO. THEY DRINK SOY MILK, BUT THEY EAT CHEESE AND YOGURT. I JUST

DIDNT WANT THEM TO FEEL LIKE COMPLETE OUTCASTS AT SCHOOL AND

BIRTHDAY PARTIES, NOT BEING ABLE TO EAT CAKE OR PIZZA, ETC. THAT IS

VERY HARD FOR A 5-6 YEAR OLD TO UNDERSTAND. THEY GRASP THAT WE DONT

EAT MEAT BECAUSE IT KILLS THE ANIMALS AND WE DONT KILL ANIMALS BUT

THEY JUST DONT UNDERSTAND HOW MILKING A COW COULD BE BAD. MY HOPE

IS THAT WHEN THEY ARE OLDER AND I FEEL THEY ARE READY TO HEAR ABOUT

THE HORRIBLE TREATMENT OF DAIRY COWS AND EGG CHICKENS THAT THEY TOO

WILL CHOOSE TO BECOME VEGAN.

 

" Is it ever OK to eat meat? "

 

IN MY OPINION, " NO " . BUT EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT LIMITATIONS.

 

" Are there particular circumstances where it is OK to kill to eat? "

 

MAYBE IF I WERE STRANDED ON A DESERTED ISLAND AND MY ONLY CHOICE WAS

TO KILL AND EAT AN ANIMAL OR STARVE TO DEATH....

 

" Is it beneficial to a child if they are refused meat if they ask

for it? "

 

SEE MY FIRST RESPONSE.

 

" Should a noncustodial parent be

> denied (long distance) visitation because they blatantly

disrespect the young child's vegetarianism? "

 

THAT'S A TOUGH ONE. PROBOBLY NOT BUT I DON'T KNOW. IF THE KIDS ARE

OLD ENOUGH AND EDUCATED ENOUGH ABOUT BE VEGETARIAN THAN HOPEFULLY

THEY CAN JUST REFUSE TO EAT ANY MEAT THAT IS OFFERED TO THEM.

 

What can a parent do to help previously omni children stick to

vegetarianism and ultimately veganism? Their weeknesses are: eggs,

cheese, pepperoni,chicken nuggets, and sour cream.

 

TRY MEAT ANALOGS. THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD VARIETIES OF

VEGETARIAN CHICKEN NUGGETS AND PEPPERONI. ALSO TOFUTTI MAKES VERY

GOOD VEGAN CREAM CHEESE AND SOUR CREAM. EGGS IN BAKING CAN BE

SUBSTITUTED WITH TOFU, ENERG-E EGG REPLACER, OR APPLESAUCE IF YOU

MAKE YOUR OWN MUFFINS, CAKE, ETC. SCRAMBLED EGGS CAN BE MADE FROM

TOFU WITH A MIX OF SPICES OR TOFU SCRAMBLER THAT YOU CAN BUY AT THE

STORE. THERE IS VEGAN CHEESE BUT I PERSONALLY HATE MOST OF IT. SO

FAR THE ONLY KIND I LIKE IS MAKING PIZZA WITH FOLLOW YOUR HEART

CHEESE.

 

IN GENERAL AS A TRANSITION YOU COULD START SHIFTING TOWARD BEING

VEGAN AT HOME BUT LET THEM EAT CHEESE PIZZA, OR ICE CREAM, ETC AT A

RESTARUANT UNTIL THEY GET MORE USED TO THE DELICIOUS VARIETY OF

VEGAN FOODS THAT YOU CAN MAKE. THEN START TO PHASE THAT OUT OVER

TIME UNTIL YOU/THEY ARE COMPLETELY VEGAN.

>

[Guest guest]

this whole plane crash thing is funny. my husband asks me that once and i

was like " well, thats where survival training comes in. you can find grass to

eat. but yes as a last resort i would eat meat to live. " we all know the story

of the Donner party (the donner pass) and they ate their dead to survive.

 

 

Lisa <lisaviafamily wrote: I haven't encountered this problem yet,

as my son is two, but my

stance is going to be, he can't eat meat in the house (no one does),

I won't prepare meat, and I won't buy meat. I'm not going to be

aggressive about it, but explain to him that it goes against my

principals to participate in such activities. Ultimately, he has to

make the decision for himself, but I don't have to comprimise my

values if he chooses to eat meat. I hope through education and

example, we never have to face this.

 

It's funny that someone brought up the plane crash scenerio! Some

meat-eating friends and I were just discussing that this weekend! If

the passengers die in the crash, it's not like I killed them so that

I could survive...not that I'd be looking forward to eating some

passengers, but as someone said, you never know what you might do to

stay alive. Haaa! My one friend said kind of snarkily, " So you'd eat

a human, but not an animal? " (as if humans aren't animals) And I

said, " No, if a cow died in the plane crash, I might eat it, too. "

Haaaaaa! Actually none of it seemed very appealing.

 

, shelly <joychild72 wrote:

>

> Hello, Shelly from Canada here. We are a vegetarian family. Myself

and my 3 daughters have all been veg for just under a year. One of

my children wants meat sometimes, i always tell her no because

something has to die to give it to her. Well i have softened up a

bit, perhaps it has been the criticism from others that has done it,

i do not know. She wanted fish, so i got her some. My other child

was offended, and the youngest was confused. We really care about

animals and the environment so i feel bad. We were vegan until

recently too, but we went back to lacto/ovo out of convenience. It

is really difficult for a single mom of 3 who lives in the north to

keep that up. A friend asked me a few questions, perhaps someone

would like to give their opinion. I know i would love to hear

it. " Is it ever OK to eat meat? " " Are there particular circumstances

where it is OK to kill to eat? " " Is it beneficial to a child if they

are refused meat if they ask for it? " " Should a noncustodial parent

be

> denied (long distance) visitation because they blatantly

disrespect the young child's vegetarianism? " What can a parent do to

help previously omni children stick to vegetarianism and ultimately

veganism? Their weeknesses are: eggs, cheese, pepperoni,chicken

nuggets, and sour cream. Peace, Shelly

>

>

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I think it's ok for parents to ban things from children until they are

of an age cognitively to make an informed decision. Parents put bans

on children's decision making all of the time. I think if you talk to

children about your reasons and decision making and live your life in

a way they respect, they aren't going to necessarily rebel later. Many

kids have been vegan/vegetarian since birth and remain that way into

adulthood. When my son asks me what a hamburger is, I'm going to tell

him the truth. I know kids who don't even know they're eating

animals!! Their parents don't want them to know. I believe in telling

the truth...not living in delusion, especially when the delusion is

causing suffering. I'm not planning on scarring him, but I'm not going

to paint a pretty picture that just isn't true. Just my opinion.

[Guest guest]

I remember begging and begging my dad to take me to McD's and A & W. He

*never* relented. Not because of the meat. Because of the money.

 

(I got to go when there were birthday parties).

 

I went on my own when I was old enough. But not that often. I don't

think the exerience of denial traumatised me nor gave me cravings to go.

If anything, it may have taught me some restraint.

 

~Paul

 

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We are in agreement with Jeff : ) But I don't plan on letting kids choose

meat until they are older and understand that it might give them a belly

ache. I don't know how old that is, maybe five or six? I don't have to

worry for a while, they are only two : )

 

Beth

 

>hey there,

> our theory on kids and meat is, if they want to eat it they can. it's

>not our place to make that descishion for our kids. now that said we

>won't buy meat for our kids, or cook meat for our kids. if they are at a

>party and want a burger, that is there choice (luckily we haven't had it

>happen yet). now if we are out at dinner at a restaurant, and we are

>paying for it, no meat. we won't finachally support the killing of

>animals for food. good luck

>peace

>jeff

>