seitan?

[Guest guest]

I appologize in advance if this question has been asked over and over. My

only excuse is that I have twin two year olds and I can't stay on top of my

laundry, never mind e-mail : ) I already responded to an e-mail today

before I saw that Cherrie had reminded us not to have off topic

discussions...

 

Back to the twin two year olds, they don't let me cook. And I have to feed

them! So my slowcooker has been my friend. I can throw a few things in,

play with them, and then throw in a few more...and on and on.

 

So I have been meaning to make a huge freezer batch of sietan for months.

But I can't get around to it. Then I thought of the crock pot. Has anyone

made seitan in there? How did it come out?

[Guest guest]

Hi! Don't know whether you've seen this blog before, but I saved a

link to it because it was about making seitan in a crockpot. I've

never made seitan before, but one of these days I'm going to,

because it looks as it would have a really neat texture to work

with, and the ability to be flavored many different ways. Here's

the link:

http://bunnyfoot.blogspot.com/2005/05/praise-seitan.html

 

Paula

 

, " Beth Manchester "

<pumpkingirl71 wrote:

 

>

> So I have been meaning to make a huge freezer batch of sietan for

months.

> But I can't get around to it. Then I thought of the crock pot.

Has anyone

> made seitan in there? How did it come out?

>

[Guest guest]

> Now I have a question for you and the others who posted about

> seitan. Do you think it could be made with bread flour?

 

 

I would *never* attempt to make seitan from scratch like that! It's such a

messy job, rinsing and kneading and rinsing and . . . well, you get the

picture. If you have The New Farm Vegetarian Cookbook you can see on page 74

how involved the process is. It's *so* much easier to buy the vital wheat

gluten, add water and spices, knead, and cook.

 

 

 

Sue in NJ

[Guest guest]

Hi all

 

I bought a book a long time ago called How to make all the meat you eat

out of wheat. I never did try to make the gluten. I don't have a clue

where to buy the vital wheat gluten.

 

Barbara

Southern California

 

 

 

 

At 08:27 AM 8/7/06, you wrote:

 

> > Now I have a question for you and the others who posted about

> > seitan. Do you think it could be made with bread flour?

>

>I would *never* attempt to make seitan from scratch like that! It's such a

>messy job, rinsing and kneading and rinsing and . . . well, you get the

>picture. If you have The New Farm Vegetarian Cookbook you can see on page 74

>how involved the process is. It's *so* much easier to buy the vital wheat

>gluten, add water and spices, knead, and cook.

>

>Sue in NJ

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Can youuse the bread machine for it? I am unable to knead at all anymore.

 

Sue in NJ <susang3 wrote: > Now I have a question for you

and the others who posted about

> seitan. Do you think it could be made with bread flour?

 

I would *never* attempt to make seitan from scratch like that! It's such a

messy job, rinsing and kneading and rinsing and . . . well, you get the

picture. If you have The New Farm Vegetarian Cookbook you can see on page 74

how involved the process is. It's *so* much easier to buy the vital wheat

gluten, add water and spices, knead, and cook.

 

Sue in NJ

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> Can youuse the bread machine for it?

 

Seitan from scratch, out of flour instead of gluten? I doubt it, as it has

to be rinsed as it's being kneaded.

[Guest guest]

>I don't have a clue

> where to buy the vital wheat gluten.

 

Your health food store might have the boxes of it. I use so much of it I buy

mine in bulk. Since my HFS does *not* carry this in bulk (others do, so

ask), I order by mail. I've used The Mail Order Catalog

(http://www.healthy-eating.com ) for about 20 years with no problems.

 

I've never seen this in any grocery store.

[Guest guest]

Hi! and thank you Jenni and Di and Karyn and Sue for answering my

question. You have convinced me that I need to buy the vital wheat

gluten next time I shop. I think I'm actually going to try to do this!

 

Paula

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this tip, Sue! I have seen it at the health food store,

but always in small packages and pretty pricey, too.

 

Paula

 

 

, " Sue in NJ "

<susang3 wrote:

I use so much of it I buy mine in bulk. Since my HFS does *not* carry

this in bulk (others do, so ask), I order by mail. I've used The Mail

Order Catalog

> (http://www.healthy-eating.com ) for about 20 years with no problems.

>

> I've never seen this in any grocery store.

>

[Guest guest]

many grocery stores will carry it in the baking section... just ask

them =)

 

I have found it at Safeway in Arizona, Vons in California, Wholefoods

in NYC , DC & CA.

oh.. adn I have bought it at Ralphs in CA as well.

 

=)

just ask at the store.

 

jenni

 

On Aug 7, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Sue in NJ wrote:

 

> >I don't have a clue

> > where to buy the vital wheat gluten.

>

> Your health food store might have the boxes of it. I use so much of

> it I buy

> mine in bulk. Since my HFS does *not* carry this in bulk (others

> do, so

> ask), I order by mail. I've used The Mail Order Catalog

> (http://www.healthy-eating.com ) for about 20 years with no problems.

>

> I've never seen this in any grocery store.

>

>

>

 

Jenni

www.little-tomato.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Barbara,

 

I had the same problem. Buying American cookbooks about making and cooking

with seitan made me wonder where I could buy that wonderful stuff you call

wheaten gluten. I've always made my seitan from ecological whole wheat

flour, but that was indeed a messy and time consuming job.

 

Wheaten gluten is also often used in American cookbooks for the Bread

Machine. So I asked a local baker, who also sells things for the home baker,

if he could provide me with 'gluten'. We had a difficult discussion as I

only knew the English terms for the substance I wanted to buy, but slowly he

started to understand what I was talking about. It's used in commercial

baking as a flour improvement (it improves the rising of the dough). So once

in a while I pre-order a bag of 5 kg, before they blend it through there

standard flour mixtures. I think the practice of using gluten in commercial

baking is wide spread so maybe you could try your local bakery.

 

Once, I think on this list, somebody told he or she made their seitan (the

mixing and kneading part) in a bread machine. I would love to try that

recipe.

 

Pierke

(from Holland)

 

 

>

>

> On Behalf Of Barbara &

> George Grenier

> Monday, August 07, 2006 5:41 PM

>

> Re: Re: seitan?

>

> Hi all

>

> I bought a book a long time ago called How to make all the meat you eat

> out of wheat. I never did try to make the gluten. I don't have a clue

> where to buy the vital wheat gluten.

>

> Barbara

> Southern California

>

>

>

>

> At 08:27 AM 8/7/06, you wrote:

>

> > > Now I have a question for you and the others who posted about

> > > seitan. Do you think it could be made with bread flour?

> >

> >I would *never* attempt to make seitan from scratch like that! It's such

> a

> >messy job, rinsing and kneading and rinsing and . . . well, you get the

> >picture. If you have The New Farm Vegetarian Cookbook you can see on page

> 74

> >how involved the process is. It's *so* much easier to buy the vital wheat

> >gluten, add water and spices, knead, and cook.

> >

> >Sue in NJ

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have the book Vegan Planet, and it doesn't seem difficult at all. (except

in the case of not being able to knead. No, I doubt it could be done in the

breadmaker if done from regular flour. But I have seen recipe's calling for

vital gluten that did use a bread maker.)

 

As for the book Vegan Planet, check out the search inside feature over at

Amazon. First search for seitan, then click on page 16 in the results, for

the recipe. here is a link to the book online *http://tinyurl.com/knv4f*

 

I am about to try it soon; but will probably wait for a relatively cool day

(no AC here).

 

Thia

 

 

On 8/7/06, Sue in NJ <susang3 wrote:

>

>

> I would *never* attempt to make seitan from scratch like that! It's such a

> messy job, rinsing and kneading and rinsing and . . . well, you get the

> picture. If you have The New Farm Vegetarian Cookbook you can see on page

> 74

> how involved the process is. It's *so* much easier to buy the vital wheat

> gluten, add water and spices, knead, and cook.

>

> Sue in NJ

>

>

 

 

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==

 

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they were told to be, and be who they really are… " -- Doug Firebaugh

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply. I got mixed up thinking that the recipe in the link

called for various flours. I realize now that is the recipe that calls for the

vital wheat gluten.

 

To answer another poster's question, many grocery store sell the vital wheat

gluten. Usually with baked goods and flours as many whole grain bread recipes

call for it. Before I found it there, I used to buy it through here:

 

http://www.healthy-eating.com/

 

Their shipping and handling was a bit on the high side. for orders under $20

is 6.75.

 

Peace,

Di

 

Sue in NJ <susang3 wrote:

> Can youuse the bread machine for it?

 

Seitan from scratch, out of flour instead of gluten? I doubt it, as it has

to be rinsed as it's being kneaded.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

LOL Sorry, Sue. I didn't see you already suggested this site. I thought I was

one of the opnly " weirdos " that used the Mail Order Catalog. I used to bring it

into work to share with others and just got a lot of raised eyebrows.

 

They think the food I eat is weird? Most of what they eat I highly doubt even

classifies as food. LOL

 

Di

 

Paula <paulakward wrote:

Thanks for this tip, Sue! I have seen it at the health food store,

but always in small packages and pretty pricey, too.

 

Paula

 

, " Sue in NJ "

<susang3 wrote:

I use so much of it I buy mine in bulk. Since my HFS does *not* carry

this in bulk (others do, so ask), I order by mail. I've used The Mail

Order Catalog

> (http://www.healthy-eating.com ) for about 20 years with no problems.

>

> I've never seen this in any grocery store.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

>I have the book Vegan Planet, and it doesn't seem difficult at all.

(except

in the case of not being able to knead. No, I doubt it could be done in the

breadmaker if done from regular flour. But I have seen recipe's calling for

vital gluten that did use a bread maker.)

 

What about in step 3 where it says to place the bowl in the sink and knead

it under running water until the water runs clear? *This* is the step why I

said I doubt it can be done in a bread machine when using flour instead of

vital wheat gluten.

[Guest guest]

I used the recipe that was posted here last night, except I didn't do the

crockpot thing, because it was only two hours to dinner when I was ready to put

it in the broth. I ended up just simmering it on the stove for about an hour. It

came out wonderful, not at all as chewy as the other versions I've tried. Not

sure if it was the breadmaker or the recipe that did it, but I'm definately

trying it again in the crockpot some time when I've planned it out better!

Karyn

 

Sue in NJ <susang3 wrote:

>I have the book Vegan Planet, and it doesn't seem difficult at all.

(except

in the case of not being able to knead. No, I doubt it could be done in the

breadmaker if done from regular flour. But I have seen recipe's calling for

vital gluten that did use a bread maker.)

 

What about in step 3 where it says to place the bowl in the sink and knead

it under running water until the water runs clear? *This* is the step why I

said I doubt it can be done in a bread machine when using flour instead of

vital wheat gluten.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Karyn,

 

Thanks for the feedback. I am curious. Is your whole family vegan?

 

Peace,

Di

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

It's just me and my husband so far, but we're both vegan. I think I'm going to

raise our future children as vegan too, but it will be hard since my family

doesn't understand it - I just had a long discussion with my sister about breast

milk being vegan or not; she refuses to admit it.

 

Diana <laurelai3 wrote: Karyn,

 

Thanks for the feedback. I am curious. Is your whole family vegan?

 

Peace,

Di

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I believe most vegans will give their baby's breast milk. At least I hope so.

I heard of a strange case of a raw vegan family only giving their baby almond

milk and the baby died.

 

karyn <restlesspoetry wrote: It's just me and my husband so

far, but we're both vegan. I think I'm going to raise our future children as

vegan too, but it will be hard since my family doesn't understand it - I just

had a long discussion with my sister about breast milk being vegan or not; she

refuses to admit it.

 

Diana <laurelai3 wrote: Karyn,

 

Thanks for the feedback. I am curious. Is your whole family vegan?

 

Peace,

Di

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, I know this list isn't about politics and that Cherrie has asked us before

to stay on topic, but I'm still gonna finish this... I think it's definately

vegan because you give it by free will and because it's good for your baby -

it's meant for that use. As opposed to cow's milk. What I'm afraid of is that my

family is going to say " you gave him/her breast milk, what bad will some cow's

milk do? " They're from a very small, rural town, and were very confused at me

just being vegetarian while I still lived at home - six years ago now (four as a

vegetarian, two as a vegan). OK, that's all from me for now. I'm off to eat some

of that amazing seitan.

karyn

 

Diana <laurelai3 wrote:

I believe most vegans will give their baby's breast milk. At least I

hope so. I heard of a strange case of a raw vegan family only giving their baby

almond milk and the baby died.

 

karyn <restlesspoetry wrote: It's just me and my husband so far, but

we're both vegan. I think I'm going to raise our future children as vegan too,

but it will be hard since my family doesn't understand it - I just had a long

discussion with my sister about breast milk being vegan or not; she refuses to

admit it.

 

Diana <laurelai3 wrote: Karyn,

 

Thanks for the feedback. I am curious. Is your whole family vegan?

 

Peace,

Di

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hand them a copy of the China Study by T. Colin Campbell. Just for fun you can

always give them this link:

 

http://www.notmilk.com/

 

I think the site is a little extreme, but it does have some valid points.

 

Diana

 

karyn <restlesspoetry wrote:

Yeah, I know this list isn't about politics and that Cherrie has asked

us before to stay on topic, but I'm still gonna finish this... I think it's

definately vegan because you give it by free will and because it's good for your

baby - it's meant for that use. As opposed to cow's milk. What I'm afraid of is

that my family is going to say " you gave him/her breast milk, what bad will some

cow's milk do? " They're from a very small, rural town, and were very confused at

me just being vegetarian while I still lived at home - six years ago now (four

as a vegetarian, two as a vegan). OK, that's all from me for now. I'm off to eat

some of that amazing seitan.

karyn

 

Diana <laurelai3 wrote:

I believe most vegans will give their baby's breast milk. At least I hope so. I

heard of a strange case of a raw vegan family only giving their baby almond milk

and the baby died.

 

karyn <restlesspoetry wrote: It's just me and my husband so far, but

we're both vegan. I think I'm going to raise our future children as vegan too,

but it will be hard since my family doesn't understand it - I just had a long

discussion with my sister about breast milk being vegan or not; she refuses to

admit it.

 

Diana <laurelai3 wrote: Karyn,

 

Thanks for the feedback. I am curious. Is your whole family vegan?

 

Peace,

Di

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I think you missunderstood me, Sue. I was agreeing with you, on that point.

My comment was: " No, I doubt it could be done in the breadmaker if done from

regular flour. "

 

I shared the link to that recipe for whoever it was that asked about making

seitan from regular flour; I think (but may be wrong) that it was a

different person who asked about using a bread maker. My reply covered both

questions. (1) Yes, regular flour can be used to make seitan. (2) Yes, a

breadmaker can be used to make seitan; but not if using regular flour

(because of the need to rinse while kneading.) More clear now?

 

 

On 8/8/06, Sue in NJ <susang3 wrote:

>

> >I have the book Vegan Planet, and it doesn't seem difficult at all.

> (except

> in the case of not being able to knead. No, I doubt it could be done in

> the

> breadmaker if done from regular flour. But I have seen recipe's calling

> for

> vital gluten that did use a bread maker.)

>

> What about in step 3 where it says to place the bowl in the sink and knead

> it under running water until the water runs clear? *This* is the step why

> I

> said I doubt it can be done in a bread machine when using flour instead of

> vital wheat gluten.

>

>

>

 

 

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==

 

" Life can be lived more fully if people simply quit pretending to be who

they were told to be, and be who they really are… " -- Doug Firebaugh

 

===

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>I think you missunderstood me, Sue.

 

Yes, I did mis-read it. Sorry.

 

 

>I shared the link to that recipe for whoever it was that asked about making

seitan from regular flour; I think (but may be wrong)

 

I just went to Amazon, found the book, and searched for the page. I love

that feature on Amazon and once read an entire book that way. Sure, it was a

short book, but still.

 

 

Sue in NJ

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I certainly would rather skip the steps of rinsing etc, and I really

want to try to make my own meat substitutes. It seems once you get the hang

of it that it would be easy, and that way you could put your own flavors

into it. I don't like nutritional yeast at all, and it seems to be in all

the premade seitan I've ever had.

 

Alia