Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Hello Everyone, I have just been given a slow cooker and a bag of potatoes (hooray to both!) and as I'm searching for ideas, all the recipes say " ...wrap potatoes in foil... " Is that really necessary? It seems a waste of foil to me ... I'm also a little leery of leaving an appliance on for so long (not so much nervous of fire, as the cost of electricity - is it better to have a burner on for an hour, an oven on for two ( & in winter, the oven heat is a bonus!), or a crockpot on for six-eight hours?), but it is a large crockpot (7 qts), so at least I can make a lot at once. Of course, there is only me eating it all ... :0 I'm not used to cooking a lot at once. Please don't misunderstand; it was a *very *thoughtful gift and I am grateful for that thought - I'm just trying to reconcile it with my personal philosophies. I do like that it is portable cooking. If anyone can answer the potato/foil question, I would appreciate it! His in JOY (: Sunshine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 I've been baking potatoes in the crock without foil for YEARS. they come out REALLY yummy. just remember to wash 'em really well beforehand! : veganfoodstuffs: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:31:48 -0300 baked potatoes w no foil? Hello Everyone,I have just been given a slow cooker and a bag of potatoes (hooray to both!)and as I'm searching for ideas, all the recipes say " ...wrap potatoes infoil... " Is that really necessary? It seems a waste of foil to me ....I'm also a little leery of leaving an appliance on for so long (not so muchnervous of fire, as the cost of electricity - is it better to have a burneron for an hour, an oven on for two ( & in winter, the oven heat is a bonus!),or a crockpot on for six-eight hours?), but it is a large crockpot (7 qts),so at least I can make a lot at once. :)Of course, there is only me eating it all ... :0 I'm not used to cookinga lot at once.Please don't misunderstand; it was a *very *thoughtful gift and I amgrateful for that thought - I'm just trying to reconcile it with my personalphilosophies. :)I do like that it is portable cooking. :)If anyone can answer the potato/foil question, I would appreciate it!His in JOY(: Sunshine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _______________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F68\ 1DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Generally, slow cookers use much less electricity than a gas burner or electric stove, despite the long hours on. Check the wattage on the slow cooker. It might use less than your hair dryer, even. ~ Kristin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 I heard it equated with one or two lightbulbs...that's it. Crockpots are actually very energy efficient. On Oct 14, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Kristin Gaenssle wrote: > Generally, slow cookers use much less electricity than a gas burner or > electric stove, despite the long hours on. Check the wattage on the > slow > cooker. It might use less than your hair dryer, even. > > ~ Kristin > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 *On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:37 PM, RJ wrote: * > > *I've been baking potatoes in the crock without foil for YEARS. they come > out REALLY yummy. just remember to wash 'em really well beforehand! * This is good to know!! I think sometimes we get in the habit of doing something b/c that's what we're told & we don't always think it through. I couldn't see how foil on nice clean potatoes in a nice clean crockpot was going to make much difference! *On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Julie wrote: I heard it equated with one or two lightbulbs...that's it. Crockpots are actually very energy efficient.* * On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Kristin Gaenssle wrote: Generally, slow cookers use much less electricity than a gas burner or electric stove, despite the long hours on. Check the wattage on the slow cooker. It might use less than your hair dryer, even.* That's assuming I use a hair dryer! I do have to check this out. Right now, the cooker is still in the box, but I should be able to figure this part out. It would make some sense - it's why I usually use a toaster oven for small dishes - less wasted area to heat. In the past, I've used what is essentially a very large thermos (a modern " hay box " or " wonder box " ) & like it a great deal - so it's hard to get my brain around spending electricity for the same thing. But the thought of all those baked potatoes are helping. Thank you all for your help! His in JOY (: Sunshine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 If it makes you more comfortable, why don't you try cooking something in the crockpot all day on a weekend when you may be in and out, or home all day? That might give you some peace of mind. I think about comparing crockpots with candles. Far more people have house fires because of candles...I've never heard about a crockpot causing a fire. Has anyone else? Crockpots can also cook huge bits of food that thermoses cannot. I have a 1.5 qt crockpot I use for small items, and even oatmeals and grains overnight, and then a 5 qt crockpot for big stews and other interesting meals. Great stuff! On another note, must we sign our signatures with religious comments? This isn't a religious list. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 > If it makes you more comfortable, why don't you try cooking something > in the crockpot all day on a weekend when you may be in and out, or > home all day? That might give you some peace of mind. I can see having a concern over the *new* slow cookers - they cook much hotter than the older Rival Crockpots from years gone by. The new ones' Low temp is hotter than the old Rival's High temp, I read. This was in response to all the e. coli and salmonella problems of recent years. Unfortunately, recipes from before now need to be re-timed. A recipe that used to cook on low in 8 to 10 hours is now scorching at 6 hours, long before a person gets home from work. If I had to buy a replacement to my 30 year old Crockpot it would probably be one of those programmable ones where you can set the temp as well as time. > On another note, must we sign our signatures with religious comments? > This isn't a religious list. Maybe not, but people have had religious signatures since before *I* started on-line back in the early 1990's and rarely is there a complaint. Yours is probably the first in the history of this list. If the listowner and mods don't have a problem with it I don't see why they can't be used. Vegetarians/vegans are traditionally more spiritual than those who follow other religions. Sue in NJ I know I look like a buddha but you can't burn incense in my navel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 On second thought, I apologize for my past email...written too quickly on that. I personally avoid putting religious endings on my emails, and I work for a public school. So I'm trained by my job NEVER to have anything religious or spiritual on group-oriented emails. Obviously, since this list is for fun, it's different. So, post on! In Goddess' Peace, Julie & gt; On another note, must we sign our signatures with religious comments? & gt; This isn't a religious list. Maybe not, but people have had religious signatures since before *I* started on-line back in the early 1990's and rarely is there a complaint. Yours is probably the first in the history of this list. If the listowner and mods don't have a problem with it I don't see why they can't be used. Vegetarians/vegans are traditionally more spiritual than those who follow other religions. Sue in NJ I know I look like a buddha but you can't burn incense in my navel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 *On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Sue in NJ <sue_in_nj wrote: * > > *> If it makes you more comfortable, why don't you try cooking something > in the crockpot all day on a weekend when you may be in and out, or home all > day? That might give you some peace of mind. > > * > *I can see having a concern over the *new* slow cookers - they cook much > hotter than the older Rival Crockpots from years gone by. The new ones' Low > temp is hotter than the old Rival's High temp, I read.* What's ironic is that originally I wasn't concerned about the safety of slow cookers - just about the cost of electricity spent. Now, however, I think I would be more comfortable to be around for the first few meals and/or when trying something new. I would be gone a minimum of nine hours at a time and would hate to come home to mushy or scorched food. On the bright side, I can always prepare everything in the morning at home and throw in the slow cooker at work! Six - seven hours would be about two o'clock and just in time for when I'm feeling a little peckish! > *Vegetarians/vegans are traditionally more spiritual than those who follow > other religions. * Thanks Sue! I like this! (And I think it's true too!) His in JOY (: Sunshine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 *On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:09 PM, <jsings6 wrote: * > > *On second thought, I apologize for my past email...written too quickly on > that. * Thank you for this - I was concerned I may have offended you, but this really is who I am and how I sign every single email on all my newsgroups and in emails to friends & family. > *I... work for a public school. So I'm trained by my job NEVER to have > anything religious or spiritual on group-oriented emails.* It must be difficult sometimes having to think through everything you say and do for any and every possible (mis) interpretations! And I think we lose our personality too. It's a good thing we are not at work and " on duty " all the time! On a different note, I hope my slow cooker is all you all say it will be! I'm looking forward to being a part of this group! I was doing a little research and people have even made bread in the slow cookers - really got me thinking! (I know, I get excited about bread and potatoes. But I *rarely *eat meat (and never at home/on my own/in anything I prepare for myself) so much-lauded bonus of the tenderizing of cheap cuts of meat doesn't do anything for me - and I still have to wrap my brain around at least quadrupling my recipes for soup, so I take my excitement where I can get it. ) But if I can get bread to work, that would be pretty cool too. I'd use a bread machine, but I've never found one with a steel pan and I find (from my own experience and those of friends) that the non-stick coating on the pan & paddle flake off into the bread. Not sure what it is made, but sure I don't want to be eating it. :0 Plus I like to see how little I need and how much I can make each possession do double and triple duty. Thanks again. His in JOY (: Sunshine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:26:58 -0300, you wrote: >*On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Sue in NJ <sue_in_nj wrote: >* >> >> *> If it makes you more comfortable, why don't you try cooking something >> in the crockpot all day on a weekend when you may be in and out, or home all >> day? That might give you some peace of mind. >> >> * >> *I can see having a concern over the *new* slow cookers - they cook much >> hotter than the older Rival Crockpots from years gone by. The new ones' Low >> temp is hotter than the old Rival's High temp, I read.* > > >What's ironic is that originally I wasn't concerned about the safety of slow >cookers - just about the cost of electricity spent. Now, however, I think I >would be more comfortable to be around for the first few meals and/or when >trying something new. > >I would be gone a minimum of nine hours at a time and would hate to come >home to mushy or scorched food. > >On the bright side, I can always prepare everything in the morning at home >and throw in the slow cooker at work! Six - seven hours would be about two >o'clock and just in time for when I'm feeling a little peckish! > You might want to try using a 'haybox' or 'retained heat cooker'. They work on exactly the same principle as crockpots - except they don't use any power. No possibility of fire or the food scorching. http://solarcooking.wikia.com/wiki/Heat-retention_cooking They also save both energy and money, of course. Here's what I wrote about mine: http://www.meadows.pair.com/hayboxcooker.html Pat -- northern Pennsylvania Website: www.meadows.pair.com/articleindex.html " Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy. " - Wendell Berry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Just a thought ... not on the angry side - just something to ponder ... if indeed we told those of us who use signatures referring to a faith or religion that they can no longer use them - isn't that censorship and maybe even a bit on the prejudice side? I mean, if I don't like what someone writes on an email, I use the ever-present " delete " key and move on. If someone doesn't like that I am wishing them something which I consider to be so special and wonderful in the words I use in my signature, they can use the delete key. If we start to censor those of us who use signatures relating to our faith, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Zoroastrianism, whatever ... where will it end? Will we start to tell others they cannot sign with what they want for whatever reason? Anyway, just a thought. God's Peace (I've signed this way since the very, very early 1990's), Gayle - Sue in NJ Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:58 PM Re: baked potatoes w no foil? > If it makes you more comfortable, why don't you try cooking something > in the crockpot all day on a weekend when you may be in and out, or > home all day? That might give you some peace of mind. I can see having a concern over the *new* slow cookers - they cook much hotter than the older Rival Crockpots from years gone by. The new ones' Low temp is hotter than the old Rival's High temp, I read. This was in response to all the e. coli and salmonella problems of recent years. Unfortunately, recipes from before now need to be re-timed. A recipe that used to cook on low in 8 to 10 hours is now scorching at 6 hours, long before a person gets home from work. If I had to buy a replacement to my 30 year old Crockpot it would probably be one of those programmable ones where you can set the temp as well as time. > On another note, must we sign our signatures with religious comments? > This isn't a religious list. Maybe not, but people have had religious signatures since before *I* started on-line back in the early 1990's and rarely is there a complaint. Yours is probably the first in the history of this list. If the listowner and mods don't have a problem with it I don't see why they can't be used. Vegetarians/vegans are traditionally more spiritual than those who follow other religions. Sue in NJ I know I look like a buddha but you can't burn incense in my navel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Hiya Sunshine, Dmitri, and Sue. You all are right, and again I want to apologize for my silly behavior yesterday. I had a death in the family and funeral on Monday, and I guess I'm touchier emotionally than I thought I was. Sunshine, enjoy your new crockpot! There's a great cookbook out there called Fresh from the Vegetarian Slow Cooker, plus many recipes on hand here. The crockpot is great to make extra foods and freeze them, or to prepare lunches for a week. So much can be done! I've also found many wonderful recipes on about.com's crockpot section. You might also like to join the McDougall lists, even on nomail, as there are wonderful recipes there as well. I've never heard of bread in the slow cooker... wow! Maybe steamed boston brown bread. Good luck, and check out the many archives. It's so lovely to dump a bunch of stuff in a bowl, go to work, come home and have dinner. I haven't noticed the differences in temperatures you mention, Sue, but perhaps I haven't done enough in the crockpot. I have a Rival 5 qt at present, and it seems to work with all the recipes mentioned so far, and those from Mary McDougall's cookbooks. Thanks for putting up with me, Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Another side...something else to ponder. Why do we have to have anything in our signature lines? I never have. I know people with VERY strong faith who don't feel the need to stuff their religions down other people's throats all the time. Yeah, I'm sure there have been plenty of people like me who have, as I have up till now, tried to be patient and ignore it all but it's really irritating when someone does speak up only to get told they shouldn't only because others haven't. Isn't that censorship too? Is it censorship to ask someone not to say something offensive? If a person used racial slurs and I didn't like it would I be practicing censorship by asking them not to do so around me? If so than I guess censorship isn't all bad. I believer most people tend to censor their own speach depending on who they are around. Speaking differently around friends who know them well and they feel more comfortable around than say their elders, co-workers, authority figures, etc. It's called being considerate of other people's feelings and when you're writing in a place where so many different people will read what you write then maybe it's not so much to ask to be a bit more careful and considerate of all the different people/faiths/etc. out there. If I were signing all of my messages with something that could offend even 1% of the people seeing it I would want to know and not want to continue. Have a great weekend! On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Gayle <dilemma5 wrote: > Just a thought ... not on the angry side - just something to ponder ... if > indeed we told those of us who use signatures referring to a faith or > religion that they can no longer use them - isn't that censorship and maybe > even a bit on the prejudice side? I mean, if I don't like what someone > writes on an email, I use the ever-present " delete " key and move on. If > someone doesn't like that I am wishing them something which I consider to be > so special and wonderful in the words I use in my signature, they can use > the delete key. If we start to censor those of us who use signatures > relating to our faith, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, > Zoroastrianism, whatever ... where will it end? Will we start to tell others > they cannot sign with what they want for whatever reason? Anyway, just a > thought. > > God's Peace (I've signed this way since the very, very early 1990's), > Gayle > > - > Sue in NJ > > Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:58 PM > Re: baked potatoes w no foil? > >> If it makes you more comfortable, why don't you try cooking something >> in the crockpot all day on a weekend when you may be in and out, or >> home all day? That might give you some peace of mind. > > I can see having a concern over the *new* slow cookers - they cook much > hotter than the older Rival Crockpots from years gone by. The new ones' > Low temp is hotter than the old Rival's High temp, I read. This was in > response to all the e. coli and salmonella problems of recent years. > Unfortunately, recipes from before now need to be re-timed. A recipe > that used to cook on low in 8 to 10 hours is now scorching at 6 hours, > long before a person gets home from work. If I had to buy a replacement > to my 30 year old Crockpot it would probably be one of those > programmable ones where you can set the temp as well as time. > >> On another note, must we sign our signatures with religious comments? >> This isn't a religious list. > > Maybe not, but people have had religious signatures since before *I* > started on-line back in the early 1990's and rarely is there a > complaint. Yours is probably the first in the history of this list. If > the listowner and mods don't have a problem with it I don't see why they > can't be used. Vegetarians/vegans are traditionally more spiritual than > those who follow other religions. > > Sue in NJ > I know I look like a buddha but > you can't burn incense in my navel! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Hi Gayle, I wasn't censoring anyone, just expressing how I felt, and probably since you've caught up on emails you've seen that I apologized. I know that such signatures would be forbidden in the workplace, because it is considered a form of proselytization. For food for thought, how would it feel if someone signed " with satan's venom " , or " in the name of great goddess Kali? " , or " let's all elect Obama because McCain's a dumbass? " or " let's all elect McCain because Obama kills innocent babies " etc. It was less an issue of censorship and more of appropriateness. But again, I came from public school where I would get in deep trouble if I put anything religious or political on correspondence, which is why it has irritated me these past years that I've seen yours (and other) signatures. After being called on it, I felt out of line, but I do consider that a form of proselytization. Not akin to the Jehovah's Witnesses' door-to-door, but another version. And yes, I've been reading these signatures for years and years and after a death in the family I was just touchy. I am mentioning this ONLY after reading Gayle's and Tammy's emails. I'm not trying to be a pain, but since the emails continued I thought I'd include my 2 cents. This is why I am taken aback when I read those signatures. I also honor and respect the fact that Gayle and Sunshine feel that they are sharing love and joy with others...which is a deep compliment. I appreciate that you wish to share peace and joy with me. I wish to share Kuan Yin's compassion with you. For perspective, I follow a Goddess path, so I would say In Honor of She Who Hears the Cries of the World, Julie Gayle <dilemma5 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 5:01 pm Re: baked potatoes w no foil? Just a thought ... not on the angry side - just something to ponder ... if indeed we told those of us who use signatures referring to a faith or religion that they can no longer use them - isn't that censorship and maybe even a bit on the prejudice side? I mean, if I don't like what someone writes on an email, I use the ever-present " delete " key and move on. If someone doesn't like that I am wishing them something which I consider to be so special and wonderful in the words I use in my signature, they can use the delete key. If we start to censor those of us who use signatures relating to our faith, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Zoroastrianism, whatever ... where will it end? Will we start to tell others they cannot sign with what they want for whatever reason? Anyway, just a thought. God's Peace (I've signed this way since the very, very early 1990's), Gayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:53:47 -0500, you wrote: >Another side...something else to ponder. > >Why do we have to have anything in our signature lines? I never have. > >I know people with VERY strong faith who don't feel the need to stuff >their religions down other people's throats all the time. > >Yeah, I'm sure there have been plenty of people like me who have, as I >have up till now, tried to be patient and ignore it all but it's >really irritating when someone does speak up only to get told they >shouldn't only because others haven't. Isn't that censorship too? The tradition of the Internet - and I think this is honored on most mailing lists today as well - is that signature (sig) files are allowed. Every FAQ and Netiquette document that I have ever seen specifically allows sig files. This has been a long-observed tradition (long in Internet terms - at least 20 years). I know this because I've been using the Internet for 20 years. That's an eon in Internet terms, I suppose. Signature files are supposed to be no more than four lines long, and they are supposed to start with a dash-dash space ( -- ). This tells email programs to delete anything that comes after that marker (the dash dash space) when replying. I think this part of the etiquette is often ignored, however. I do not allow discussion of politics or religion at all on the email lists that I own. (Both are largely irrelevant to my lists). I enforce this strictly. But I do allow sig files, and they can be anything non-obscene and non-abusive. By 'non-abusive' I mean that I would not allow a sig file slandering a fellow list member. This has never happened. No one on my lists (which total more than 2000 rs) has ever tried to use an obscene sig file either. I do allow sig files that are offensive to me personally, however. This has happened quite often. I would not wish to violate Netiquette (the collection of rules that Internet users worked out over time). The sig file is considered something personal; I wouldn't dream of telling rs to my lists what tee-shirts they should wear, or what bumper stickers they should put on their cars. The sig file is in that category. Pat -- northern Pennsylvania Website: www.meadows.pair.com/articleindex.html " Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy. " - Wendell Berry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 I don't believe I ever told the poster that she could not or should not say anything. She had the right to voice her thoughts and write as she wished just as you do. The US is a country with free speech and yes, that includes email. Additionally, just as your email made me think more about the subject we are discussing, so do many others that I initially don't care for (though I have never voiced objection to them) but do end up spending some amount of time thinking about. It's a way to stretch and grow my mind and try to see other viewpoints and I refuse to cut that part of learning out of my life. I may or may not agree with them but it is a way to stay open-minded. People should be able to sign as they prefer. I don't like the references people make to Wicca or other religions or even atheism (there have been some on other lists) in their signatures or content of their emails but I respect their right to be able to write what they want. I don't even really like the closing " sincerely " since I believe that it is written with very little, if any sincerity. I won't complain about these or even remotely suggest that the writers should be censored because it is a wonderful thing that in the US we do have free speech and to tell anyone that they cannot sign with non-profane language (profane language is against the law) or other lawless language would, indeed be censorship. When people didn't like what people wrote in books they tried to censor them and many books were banned (and burned) until people rose up and protested. If a person doesn't like the way someone signs, don't read the signatures. Just as if a person doesn't like what is contained in a book, just don't read it. It really is that simple instead of making a big deal out of who a person is since that is, in essence, what their signature tells the reader(s). A person might not feel the need or desire to sign with anything but her or his name. That is your his or her choice and it should be respected. But to tell others that they cannot is censorship and censorship has a nasty habit of getting ugly and not a little dangerous. It seems that once it starts, the end is all but unattainable. God's Peace, Gayle - Tammy Friday, October 17, 2008 4:53 PM Re: baked potatoes w no foil? Another side...something else to ponder. Why do we have to have anything in our signature lines? I never have. I know people with VERY strong faith who don't feel the need to stuff their religions down other people's throats all the time. Yeah, I'm sure there have been plenty of people like me who have, as I have up till now, tried to be patient and ignore it all but it's really irritating when someone does speak up only to get told they shouldn't only because others haven't. Isn't that censorship too? Is it censorship to ask someone not to say something offensive? If a person used racial slurs and I didn't like it would I be practicing censorship by asking them not to do so around me? If so than I guess censorship isn't all bad. I believer most people tend to censor their own speach depending on who they are around. Speaking differently around friends who know them well and they feel more comfortable around than say their elders, co-workers, authority figures, etc. It's called being considerate of other people's feelings and when you're writing in a place where so many different people will read what you write then maybe it's not so much to ask to be a bit more careful and considerate of all the different people/faiths/etc. out there. If I were signing all of my messages with something that could offend even 1% of the people seeing it I would want to know and not want to continue. Have a great weekend! On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Gayle <dilemma5 wrote: > Just a thought ... not on the angry side - just something to ponder ... if > indeed we told those of us who use signatures referring to a faith or > religion that they can no longer use them - isn't that censorship and maybe > even a bit on the prejudice side? I mean, if I don't like what someone > writes on an email, I use the ever-present " delete " key and move on. If > someone doesn't like that I am wishing them something which I consider to be > so special and wonderful in the words I use in my signature, they can use > the delete key. If we start to censor those of us who use signatures > relating to our faith, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, > Zoroastrianism, whatever ... where will it end? Will we start to tell others > they cannot sign with what they want for whatever reason? Anyway, just a > thought. > > God's Peace (I've signed this way since the very, very early 1990's), > Gayle > > - > Sue in NJ > > Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:58 PM > Re: baked potatoes w no foil? > >> If it makes you more comfortable, why don't you try cooking something >> in the crockpot all day on a weekend when you may be in and out, or >> home all day? That might give you some peace of mind. > > I can see having a concern over the *new* slow cookers - they cook much > hotter than the older Rival Crockpots from years gone by. The new ones' > Low temp is hotter than the old Rival's High temp, I read. This was in > response to all the e. coli and salmonella problems of recent years. > Unfortunately, recipes from before now need to be re-timed. A recipe > that used to cook on low in 8 to 10 hours is now scorching at 6 hours, > long before a person gets home from work. If I had to buy a replacement > to my 30 year old Crockpot it would probably be one of those > programmable ones where you can set the temp as well as time. > >> On another note, must we sign our signatures with religious comments? >> This isn't a religious list. > > Maybe not, but people have had religious signatures since before *I* > started on-line back in the early 1990's and rarely is there a > complaint. Yours is probably the first in the history of this list. If > the listowner and mods don't have a problem with it I don't see why they > can't be used. Vegetarians/vegans are traditionally more spiritual than > those who follow other religions. > > Sue in NJ > I know I look like a buddha but > you can't burn incense in my navel! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Perhaps those are interested in this discussion could take it off list and the rest of us can get back to vegan crockpot cooking? Please. Gayle wrote: > I don't believe I ever told the poster that she could not or should not say anything. She had the right to voice her thoughts and write as she wished just as you do. The US is a country with free speech and yes, that includes email. Additionally, just as your email made me think more about the subject we are discussing, so do many others that I initially don't care for (though I have never voiced objection to them) but do end up spending some amount of time thinking about. It's a way to stretch and grow my mind and try to see other viewpoints and I refuse to cut that part of learning out of my life. I may or may not agree with them but it is a way to stay open-minded. > > People should be able to sign as they prefer. I don't like the references people make to Wicca or other religions or even atheism (there have been some on other lists) in their signatures or content of their emails but I respect their right to be able to write what they want. I don't even really like the closing " sincerely " since I believe that it is written with very little, if any sincerity. I won't complain about these or even remotely suggest that the writers should be censored because it is a wonderful thing that in the US we do have free speech and to tell anyone that they cannot sign with non-profane language (profane language is against the law) or other lawless language would, indeed be censorship. > > When people didn't like what people wrote in books they tried to censor them and many books were banned (and burned) until people rose up and protested. If a person doesn't like the way someone signs, don't read the signatures. Just as if a person doesn't like what is contained in a book, just don't read it. It really is that simple instead of making a big deal out of who a person is since that is, in essence, what their signature tells the reader(s). A person might not feel the need or desire to sign with anything but her or his name. That is your his or her choice and it should be respected. But to tell others that they cannot is censorship and censorship has a nasty habit of getting ugly and not a little dangerous. It seems that once it starts, the end is all but unattainable. > > God's Peace, > Gayle > > - > Tammy > > Friday, October 17, 2008 4:53 PM > Re: baked potatoes w no foil? > > > Another side...something else to ponder. > > Why do we have to have anything in our signature lines? I never have. > > I know people with VERY strong faith who don't feel the need to stuff > their religions down other people's throats all the time. > > Yeah, I'm sure there have been plenty of people like me who have, as I > have up till now, tried to be patient and ignore it all but it's > really irritating when someone does speak up only to get told they > shouldn't only because others haven't. Isn't that censorship too? > > Is it censorship to ask someone not to say something offensive? If a > person used racial slurs and I didn't like it would I be practicing > censorship by asking them not to do so around me? If so than I guess > censorship isn't all bad. > > I believer most people tend to censor their own speach depending on > who they are around. Speaking differently around friends who know > them well and they feel more comfortable around than say their elders, > co-workers, authority figures, etc. It's called being considerate of > other people's feelings and when you're writing in a place where so > many different people will read what you write then maybe it's not so > much to ask to be a bit more careful and considerate of all the > different people/faiths/etc. out there. > > If I were signing all of my messages with something that could offend > even 1% of the people seeing it I would want to know and not want to > continue. > > Have a great weekend! > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Gayle <dilemma5 wrote: > > Just a thought ... not on the angry side - just something to ponder ... if > > indeed we told those of us who use signatures referring to a faith or > > religion that they can no longer use them - isn't that censorship and maybe > > even a bit on the prejudice side? I mean, if I don't like what someone > > writes on an email, I use the ever-present " delete " key and move on. If > > someone doesn't like that I am wishing them something which I consider to be > > so special and wonderful in the words I use in my signature, they can use > > the delete key. If we start to censor those of us who use signatures > > relating to our faith, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, > > Zoroastrianism, whatever ... where will it end? Will we start to tell others > > they cannot sign with what they want for whatever reason? Anyway, just a > > thought. > > > > God's Peace (I've signed this way since the very, very early 1990's), > > Gayle > > > > - > > Sue in NJ > > > > Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:58 PM > > Re: baked potatoes w no foil? > > > >> If it makes you more comfortable, why don't you try cooking something > >> in the crockpot all day on a weekend when you may be in and out, or > >> home all day? That might give you some peace of mind. > > > > I can see having a concern over the *new* slow cookers - they cook much > > hotter than the older Rival Crockpots from years gone by. The new ones' > > Low temp is hotter than the old Rival's High temp, I read. This was in > > response to all the e. coli and salmonella problems of recent years. > > Unfortunately, recipes from before now need to be re-timed. A recipe > > that used to cook on low in 8 to 10 hours is now scorching at 6 hours, > > long before a person gets home from work. If I had to buy a replacement > > to my 30 year old Crockpot it would probably be one of those > > programmable ones where you can set the temp as well as time. > > > >> On another note, must we sign our signatures with religious comments? > >> This isn't a religious list. > > > > Maybe not, but people have had religious signatures since before *I* > > started on-line back in the early 1990's and rarely is there a > > complaint. Yours is probably the first in the history of this list. If > > the listowner and mods don't have a problem with it I don't see why they > > can't be used. Vegetarians/vegans are traditionally more spiritual than > > those who follow other religions. > > > > Sue in NJ > > I know I look like a buddha but > > you can't burn incense in my navel! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 hat's a wonderful suggestion. i was just about to when this came through. i'll give it a few minutes and see what happens, but i'd prefer to hear only about vegan crockpot cooking. , Debbie <debbie wrote: > > Perhaps those are interested in this discussion could take it off list > and the rest of us can get back to vegan crockpot cooking? Please. > > Gayle wrote: > > I don't believe I ever told the poster that she could not or should not say anything. She had the right to voice her thoughts and write as she wished just as you do. The US is a country with free speech and yes, that includes email. Additionally, just as your email made me think more about the subject we are discussing, so do many others that I initially don't care for (though I have never voiced objection to them) but do end up spending some amount of time thinking about. It's a way to stretch and grow my mind and try to see other viewpoints and I refuse to cut that part of learning out of my life. I may or may not agree with them but it is a way to stay open-minded. > > > > People should be able to sign as they prefer. I don't like the references people make to Wicca or other religions or even atheism (there have been some on other lists) in their signatures or content of their emails but I respect their right to be able to write what they want. I don't even really like the closing " sincerely " since I believe that it is written with very little, if any sincerity. I won't complain about these or even remotely suggest that the writers should be censored because it is a wonderful thing that in the US we do have free speech and to tell anyone that they cannot sign with non-profane language (profane language is against the law) or other lawless language would, indeed be censorship. > > > > When people didn't like what people wrote in books they tried to censor them and many books were banned (and burned) until people rose up and protested. If a person doesn't like the way someone signs, don't read the signatures. Just as if a person doesn't like what is contained in a book, just don't read it. It really is that simple instead of making a big deal out of who a person is since that is, in essence, what their signature tells the reader(s). A person might not feel the need or desire to sign with anything but her or his name. That is your his or her choice and it should be respected. But to tell others that they cannot is censorship and censorship has a nasty habit of getting ugly and not a little dangerous. It seems that once it starts, the end is all but unattainable. > > > > God's Peace, > > Gayle > > > > - > > Tammy > > > > Friday, October 17, 2008 4:53 PM > > Re: baked potatoes w no foil? > > > > > > Another side...something else to ponder. > > > > Why do we have to have anything in our signature lines? I never have. > > > > I know people with VERY strong faith who don't feel the need to stuff > > their religions down other people's throats all the time. > > > > Yeah, I'm sure there have been plenty of people like me who have, as I > > have up till now, tried to be patient and ignore it all but it's > > really irritating when someone does speak up only to get told they > > shouldn't only because others haven't. Isn't that censorship too? > > > > Is it censorship to ask someone not to say something offensive? If a > > person used racial slurs and I didn't like it would I be practicing > > censorship by asking them not to do so around me? If so than I guess > > censorship isn't all bad. > > > > I believer most people tend to censor their own speach depending on > > who they are around. Speaking differently around friends who know > > them well and they feel more comfortable around than say their elders, > > co-workers, authority figures, etc. It's called being considerate of > > other people's feelings and when you're writing in a place where so > > many different people will read what you write then maybe it's not so > > much to ask to be a bit more careful and considerate of all the > > different people/faiths/etc. out there. > > > > If I were signing all of my messages with something that could offend > > even 1% of the people seeing it I would want to know and not want to > > continue. > > > > Have a great weekend! > > > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Gayle <dilemma5 wrote: > > > Just a thought ... not on the angry side - just something to ponder ... if > > > indeed we told those of us who use signatures referring to a faith or > > > religion that they can no longer use them - isn't that censorship and maybe > > > even a bit on the prejudice side? I mean, if I don't like what someone > > > writes on an email, I use the ever-present " delete " key and move on. If > > > someone doesn't like that I am wishing them something which I consider to be > > > so special and wonderful in the words I use in my signature, they can use > > > the delete key. If we start to censor those of us who use signatures > > > relating to our faith, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, > > > Zoroastrianism, whatever ... where will it end? Will we start to tell others > > > they cannot sign with what they want for whatever reason? Anyway, just a > > > thought. > > > > > > God's Peace (I've signed this way since the very, very early 1990's), > > > Gayle > > > > > > - > > > Sue in NJ > > > > > > Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:58 PM > > > Re: baked potatoes w no foil? > > > > > >> If it makes you more comfortable, why don't you try cooking something > > >> in the crockpot all day on a weekend when you may be in and out, or > > >> home all day? That might give you some peace of mind. > > > > > > I can see having a concern over the *new* slow cookers - they cook much > > > hotter than the older Rival Crockpots from years gone by. The new ones' > > > Low temp is hotter than the old Rival's High temp, I read. This was in > > > response to all the e. coli and salmonella problems of recent years. > > > Unfortunately, recipes from before now need to be re-timed. A recipe > > > that used to cook on low in 8 to 10 hours is now scorching at 6 hours, > > > long before a person gets home from work. If I had to buy a replacement > > > to my 30 year old Crockpot it would probably be one of those > > > programmable ones where you can set the temp as well as time. > > > > > >> On another note, must we sign our signatures with religious comments? > > >> This isn't a religious list. > > > > > > Maybe not, but people have had religious signatures since before *I* > > > started on-line back in the early 1990's and rarely is there a > > > complaint. Yours is probably the first in the history of this list. If > > > the listowner and mods don't have a problem with it I don't see why they > > > can't be used. Vegetarians/vegans are traditionally more spiritual than > > > those who follow other religions. > > > > > > Sue in NJ > > > I know I look like a buddha but > > > you can't burn incense in my navel! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Hi Julie, I work in a public school. I always sign with the same signature I have signed with for the last 18 years on my school email. No one has ever said a word to me about it - not even the superintendent. I guess it's different in different places. Do I teach my students about any kind of religion? No. That would be against the law. On the other hand, do they bring it up to me on many occasions? Yes and I have to tell them that I can't speak to them about it except in a historical sense and then only if I include other religions as well. We have had some discussion in the class I have this year. I have a Buddhist, Christians, and some yet to be defined beliefs and they have asked questions, but again, only in a historical sense, not faith and I definitely try to close the topic as soon as I can. I like ice skating but I like the ice to be as thick as possible - not thin. ) God's Peace, Gayle - jsings6 Friday, October 17, 2008 6:22 PM Re: baked potatoes w no foil? Hi Gayle, I wasn't censoring anyone, just expressing how I felt, and probably since you've caught up on emails you've seen that I apologized. I know that such signatures would be forbidden in the workplace, because it is considered a form of proselytization. For food for thought, how would it feel if someone signed " with satan's venom " , or " in the name of great goddess Kali? " , or " let's all elect Obama because McCain's a dumbass? " or " let's all elect McCain because Obama kills innocent babies " etc. It was less an issue of censorship and more of appropriateness. But again, I came from public school where I would get in deep trouble if I put anything religious or political on correspondence, which is why it has irritated me these past years that I've seen yours (and other) signatures. After being called on it, I felt out of line, but I do consider that a form of proselytization. Not akin to the Jehovah's Witnesses' door-to-door, but another version. And yes, I've been reading these signatures for years and years and after a death in the family I was just touchy. I am mentioning this ONLY after reading Gayle's and Tammy's emails. I'm not trying to be a pain, but since the emails continued I thought I'd include my 2 cents. This is why I am taken aback when I read those signatures. I also honor and respect the fact that Gayle and Sunshine feel that they are sharing love and joy with others...which is a deep compliment. I appreciate that you wish to share peace and joy with me. I wish to share Kuan Yin's compassion with you. For perspective, I follow a Goddess path, so I would say In Honor of She Who Hears the Cries of the World, Julie Gayle <dilemma5 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 5:01 pm Re: baked potatoes w no foil? Just a thought ... not on the angry side - just something to ponder ... if indeed we told those of us who use signatures referring to a faith or religion that they can no longer use them - isn't that censorship and maybe even a bit on the prejudice side? I mean, if I don't like what someone writes on an email, I use the ever-present " delete " key and move on. If someone doesn't like that I am wishing them something which I consider to be so special and wonderful in the words I use in my signature, they can use the delete key. If we start to censor those of us who use signatures relating to our faith, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Zoroastrianism, whatever ... where will it end? Will we start to tell others they cannot sign with what they want for whatever reason? Anyway, just a thought. God's Peace (I've signed this way since the very, very early 1990's), Gayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Debbie, I was thinking the same thing but since this list has been so quiet for so long, I really am enjoying hearing from some of the members. God's Peace, Gayle - Debbie Friday, October 17, 2008 6:40 PM Re: baked potatoes w no foil? Perhaps those are interested in this discussion could take it off list and the rest of us can get back to vegan crockpot cooking? Please. Gayle wrote: > I don't believe I ever told the poster that she could not or should not say anything. She had the right to voice her thoughts and write as she wished just as you do. The US is a country with free speech and yes, that includes email. Additionally, just as your email made me think more about the subject we are discussing, so do many others that I initially don't care for (though I have never voiced objection to them) but do end up spending some amount of time thinking about. It's a way to stretch and grow my mind and try to see other viewpoints and I refuse to cut that part of learning out of my life. I may or may not agree with them but it is a way to stay open-minded. > > People should be able to sign as they prefer. I don't like the references people make to Wicca or other religions or even atheism (there have been some on other lists) in their signatures or content of their emails but I respect their right to be able to write what they want. I don't even really like the closing " sincerely " since I believe that it is written with very little, if any sincerity. I won't complain about these or even remotely suggest that the writers should be censored because it is a wonderful thing that in the US we do have free speech and to tell anyone that they cannot sign with non-profane language (profane language is against the law) or other lawless language would, indeed be censorship. > > When people didn't like what people wrote in books they tried to censor them and many books were banned (and burned) until people rose up and protested. If a person doesn't like the way someone signs, don't read the signatures. Just as if a person doesn't like what is contained in a book, just don't read it. It really is that simple instead of making a big deal out of who a person is since that is, in essence, what their signature tells the reader(s). A person might not feel the need or desire to sign with anything but her or his name. That is your his or her choice and it should be respected. But to tell others that they cannot is censorship and censorship has a nasty habit of getting ugly and not a little dangerous. It seems that once it starts, the end is all but unattainable. > > God's Peace, > Gayle > > - > Tammy > > Friday, October 17, 2008 4:53 PM > Re: baked potatoes w no foil? > > > Another side...something else to ponder. > > Why do we have to have anything in our signature lines? I never have. > > I know people with VERY strong faith who don't feel the need to stuff > their religions down other people's throats all the time. > > Yeah, I'm sure there have been plenty of people like me who have, as I > have up till now, tried to be patient and ignore it all but it's > really irritating when someone does speak up only to get told they > shouldn't only because others haven't. Isn't that censorship too? > > Is it censorship to ask someone not to say something offensive? If a > person used racial slurs and I didn't like it would I be practicing > censorship by asking them not to do so around me? If so than I guess > censorship isn't all bad. > > I believer most people tend to censor their own speach depending on > who they are around. Speaking differently around friends who know > them well and they feel more comfortable around than say their elders, > co-workers, authority figures, etc. It's called being considerate of > other people's feelings and when you're writing in a place where so > many different people will read what you write then maybe it's not so > much to ask to be a bit more careful and considerate of all the > different people/faiths/etc. out there. > > If I were signing all of my messages with something that could offend > even 1% of the people seeing it I would want to know and not want to > continue. > > Have a great weekend! > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Gayle <dilemma5 wrote: > > Just a thought ... not on the angry side - just something to ponder ... if > > indeed we told those of us who use signatures referring to a faith or > > religion that they can no longer use them - isn't that censorship and maybe > > even a bit on the prejudice side? I mean, if I don't like what someone > > writes on an email, I use the ever-present " delete " key and move on. If > > someone doesn't like that I am wishing them something which I consider to be > > so special and wonderful in the words I use in my signature, they can use > > the delete key. If we start to censor those of us who use signatures > > relating to our faith, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, > > Zoroastrianism, whatever ... where will it end? Will we start to tell others > > they cannot sign with what they want for whatever reason? Anyway, just a > > thought. > > > > God's Peace (I've signed this way since the very, very early 1990's), > > Gayle > > > > - > > Sue in NJ > > > > Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:58 PM > > Re: baked potatoes w no foil? > > > >> If it makes you more comfortable, why don't you try cooking something > >> in the crockpot all day on a weekend when you may be in and out, or > >> home all day? That might give you some peace of mind. > > > > I can see having a concern over the *new* slow cookers - they cook much > > hotter than the older Rival Crockpots from years gone by. The new ones' > > Low temp is hotter than the old Rival's High temp, I read. This was in > > response to all the e. coli and salmonella problems of recent years. > > Unfortunately, recipes from before now need to be re-timed. A recipe > > that used to cook on low in 8 to 10 hours is now scorching at 6 hours, > > long before a person gets home from work. If I had to buy a replacement > > to my 30 year old Crockpot it would probably be one of those > > programmable ones where you can set the temp as well as time. > > > >> On another note, must we sign our signatures with religious comments? > >> This isn't a religious list. > > > > Maybe not, but people have had religious signatures since before *I* > > started on-line back in the early 1990's and rarely is there a > > complaint. Yours is probably the first in the history of this list. If > > the listowner and mods don't have a problem with it I don't see why they > > can't be used. Vegetarians/vegans are traditionally more spiritual than > > those who follow other religions. > > > > Sue in NJ > > I know I look like a buddha but > > you can't burn incense in my navel! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Please let's keep the discussion to crockpot cooking. thank you. List owner, cherrie. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Gayle <dilemma5 wrote: > I don't believe I ever told the poster that she could not or should not > say anything. She had the right to voice her thoughts and write as she > wished just as you do. The US is a country with free speech and yes, that > includes email. Additionally, just as your email made me think more about > the subject we are discussing, so do many others that I initially don't care > for (though I have never voiced objection to them) but do end up spending > some amount of time thinking about. It's a way to stretch and grow my mind > and try to see other viewpoints and I refuse to cut that part of learning > out of my life. I may or may not agree with them but it is a way to stay > open-minded. > > People should be able to sign as they prefer. I don't like the references > people make to Wicca or other religions or even atheism (there have been > some on other lists) in their signatures or content of their emails but I > respect their right to be able to write what they want. I don't even really > like the closing " sincerely " since I believe that it is written with very > little, if any sincerity. I won't complain about these or even remotely > suggest that the writers should be censored because it is a wonderful thing > that in the US we do have free speech and to tell anyone that they cannot > sign with non-profane language (profane language is against the law) or > other lawless language would, indeed be censorship. > > When people didn't like what people wrote in books they tried to censor > them and many books were banned (and burned) until people rose up and > protested. If a person doesn't like the way someone signs, don't read the > signatures. Just as if a person doesn't like what is contained in a book, > just don't read it. It really is that simple instead of making a big deal > out of who a person is since that is, in essence, what their signature tells > the reader(s). A person might not feel the need or desire to sign with > anything but her or his name. That is your his or her choice and it should > be respected. But to tell others that they cannot is censorship and > censorship has a nasty habit of getting ugly and not a little dangerous. It > seems that once it starts, the end is all but unattainable. > > God's Peace, > Gayle > > - > Tammy > To: <%40> > Friday, October 17, 2008 4:53 PM > Re: baked potatoes w no foil? > > Another side...something else to ponder. > > Why do we have to have anything in our signature lines? I never have. > > I know people with VERY strong faith who don't feel the need to stuff > their religions down other people's throats all the time. > > Yeah, I'm sure there have been plenty of people like me who have, as I > have up till now, tried to be patient and ignore it all but it's > really irritating when someone does speak up only to get told they > shouldn't only because others haven't. Isn't that censorship too? > > Is it censorship to ask someone not to say something offensive? If a > person used racial slurs and I didn't like it would I be practicing > censorship by asking them not to do so around me? If so than I guess > censorship isn't all bad. > > I believer most people tend to censor their own speach depending on > who they are around. Speaking differently around friends who know > them well and they feel more comfortable around than say their elders, > co-workers, authority figures, etc. It's called being considerate of > other people's feelings and when you're writing in a place where so > many different people will read what you write then maybe it's not so > much to ask to be a bit more careful and considerate of all the > different people/faiths/etc. out there. > > If I were signing all of my messages with something that could offend > even 1% of the people seeing it I would want to know and not want to > continue. > > Have a great weekend! > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Gayle <dilemma5<dilemma5%40earthlink.net>> > wrote: > > Just a thought ... not on the angry side - just something to ponder ... > if > > indeed we told those of us who use signatures referring to a faith or > > religion that they can no longer use them - isn't that censorship and > maybe > > even a bit on the prejudice side? I mean, if I don't like what someone > > writes on an email, I use the ever-present " delete " key and move on. If > > someone doesn't like that I am wishing them something which I consider to > be > > so special and wonderful in the words I use in my signature, they can use > > the delete key. If we start to censor those of us who use signatures > > relating to our faith, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, > > Zoroastrianism, whatever ... where will it end? Will we start to tell > others > > they cannot sign with what they want for whatever reason? Anyway, just a > > thought. > > > > God's Peace (I've signed this way since the very, very early 1990's), > > Gayle > > > > - > > Sue in NJ > > To: <%40> > > Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:58 PM > > Re: baked potatoes w no foil? > > > >> If it makes you more comfortable, why don't you try cooking something > >> in the crockpot all day on a weekend when you may be in and out, or > >> home all day? That might give you some peace of mind. > > > > I can see having a concern over the *new* slow cookers - they cook much > > hotter than the older Rival Crockpots from years gone by. The new ones' > > Low temp is hotter than the old Rival's High temp, I read. This was in > > response to all the e. coli and salmonella problems of recent years. > > Unfortunately, recipes from before now need to be re-timed. A recipe > > that used to cook on low in 8 to 10 hours is now scorching at 6 hours, > > long before a person gets home from work. If I had to buy a replacement > > to my 30 year old Crockpot it would probably be one of those > > programmable ones where you can set the temp as well as time. > > > >> On another note, must we sign our signatures with religious comments? > >> This isn't a religious list. > > > > Maybe not, but people have had religious signatures since before *I* > > started on-line back in the early 1990's and rarely is there a > > complaint. Yours is probably the first in the history of this list. If > > the listowner and mods don't have a problem with it I don't see why they > > can't be used. Vegetarians/vegans are traditionally more spiritual than > > those who follow other religions. > > > > Sue in NJ > > I know I look like a buddha but > > you can't burn incense in my navel! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Thanks everyone for expressing your opinions, and I really agree with everyone. Yay for free speech. For those who got offended by the off-topic discussion, keep with us. I think everyone has said what they wanted and on we go to the great crockpot recipes. Yum, I love baked beans and the apple cider sounds wonderful, Gayle! Good idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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