Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 Environmentalists to Protest at the HQ of WWF--dubbed World Without Forests-- on Lands for Life Anniversary News release Thursday January 27, 2000 8:15 - 9:30 a.m. World Wildlife Fund 245 Eglinton Ave. East (at Mount Pleasant Rd.) TORONTO -- The World Wildlife Fund Canada is not what it claims to be -- that is the message a group of environmentalists will convey at a demonstration at the WWF Canada headquarters. There, protesters will unfurl a banner which dubs the WWF 'World Without Forests'. The protest coincides with a one-day session at the WWF on the implementation of Ontarios Living Legacy. One year ago the World Wildlife Fund and other members of the Partnership for Public Lands entered into secret negotiations with the Harris Government and the_ logging and mining industries on the eve of an election, ultimately helping to produce the disastrous settlement entitled Ontario's Living Legacy (which was formerly known as Lands for Life during the planning process). The WWF literature repeatedly praises the settlement's minimalist protection as an " outstanding achievement " (1999 Annual Review). " The protesters are seeking to expose the WWF's role in 'greenwashing' the deal, as it consistently makes no mention of the deep flaws in the settlement, " says Shelly Lipsey, a long-time activist and critic of the dea. Some of the points the protesters are seeking to draw attention to include the facts that: * only 5% of the land use planning area was designated parks or protected areas while 95% of the area was given to industrial interests, including the extablishment of a system of 100 year leases to private logging interests. Additional protection is made difficult by the Forest Accord which guarantees wood supply to logging companies. * the 5% is not even protected since mining, sports hunting, trapping and snowmobiling will be allowed, thus creating a two-tier park system in Ontario--in some cases not even meeting international definitions of what a park is * Monte Hummel, president of WWF Canada, is himself a sports hunter * Ontario Living Legacy " protects development from parks--not parks from development " (Toronto Star editorial, April 25, 1999) In short, the protesters are asking people to consider whose interests the WWF Canada, as it is currently constituted, really represents? The WWF's large corporate donors, including mining companies like Noranda, and board members like David Lindsay (Mike Harris' campaign manager), put it in a clear conflict of interest position during last year's secret negotiations, and may explain its current deafening silence on the flaws of the agreement. " Who does WWF really advocate for? They're supposed to advocate for the wildlife of the world. Yet the WWF did not stand up for wildlife or its habitat in last years secret negotiations, " says Herschel Stroyman, a former WWF donor. " The majority of the public opposes any sports hunting in parks. The WWF should come clean, and clearly outline its position on sports hunting, " implores Susan Krajnc of the group Freedom for Animals. Shelly Lipsey, says " Last year, the WWF gave Mike Harris a B+ for the Lands for Life deal. Wildlife give the WWF an F. " Contacts: Herschel Stroyman (416) 533-7664, Shelly Lipsey (416) 654-8556, Susan Krajnc (416) 593-9542 -- _____________ Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmamail.com powered by OutBlaze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 The WWF have been a bunch of bum fuckers for years! Prince Charles ... that filthy fucking fox hunter is a big member of the WWF .... They have no right to call themselves a preservation group ... they should be called the PPF (Putting People First) Bastards! Vik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 Or even the PTF (Putting THEMSELVES First) > ---------- > Vikas Sharma[sMTP:carnival] > Reply > 02 February 2000 16:41 > > RE: nothing's sacred > > " Vikas Sharma " <carnival > > The WWF have been a bunch of bum fuckers for years! > > Prince Charles ... that filthy fucking fox hunter is a big member of the > WWF > .... > > They have no right to call themselves a preservation group ... they should > be called the PPF (Putting People First) > > Bastards! > > Vik > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative4 " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 Hmmm LMAO...why don't you guys tell us how you REALLY feel!? Ok...so what organzanizations do you believe do the most work for our environment? <snip> >Cathy Jupp <Cathy > >Or even the PTF (Putting THEMSELVES First) > <snip> >> " Vikas Sharma " <carnival >> >> The WWF have been a bunch of bum fuckers for years! >> >> Prince Charles ... that filthy fucking fox hunter is a big member of the >> WWF >> .... >> >> They have no right to call themselves a preservation group ... they should >> be called the PPF (Putting People First) >> >> Bastards! >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 I am sceptical of environmental groups ... not sure who does what ... I have heard of an outfit called Earth First ... I have heard that they are pretty cool with that aspect of the planet ... Any pro-animal group works for the environment. Greenpeace does quite a bit, but I haven't kept up with them over the past years ... I just remember them going out and trying to stop whale hunters. Now, that's doing something! People who go out and bomb fur stores, that's doing something. People who go out and heckle fur wearers on the street, that's doing something. People who stop eating animals are doing more than the WWF for the environment. Individuals can do a lot ... you don't a big name with lots of money and highly paid executives to save the world. Vikas Sharma of Operations & Media Carnival Management Web: http://www3.sympatico.ca/carnival Email: carnival Phone Edit4You [faison5] Wednesday, February 02, 2000 12:35 PM Re: nothing's sacred " Edit4You " <faison5 Hmmm LMAO...why don't you guys tell us how you REALLY feel!? Ok...so what organzanizations do you believe do the most work for our environment? <snip> >Cathy Jupp <Cathy > >Or even the PTF (Putting THEMSELVES First) > <snip> >> " Vikas Sharma " <carnival >> >> The WWF have been a bunch of bum fuckers for years! >> >> Prince Charles ... that filthy fucking fox hunter is a big member of the >> WWF >> .... >> >> They have no right to call themselves a preservation group ... they should >> be called the PPF (Putting People First) >> >> Bastards! >> > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 well, I can agree w/ most of that...and I can agree to disagree on the issues of breaking the law (brother, the cop...), I don't agree that bombing stores that carry fur is actually going to help the poor animal who is already dead. But anyway....that doesn't mean you can't write to the stores and request that they not carry fur items and why... I need to check on some 501c3 information on some of these animal rights groups to see if the money is actually doing anything. I bet some of them would be frightened of an audit. S. ---------- > " Vikas Sharma " <carnival >< > >RE: nothing's sacred >Wed, Feb 2, 2000, 9:48 AM > > " Vikas Sharma " <carnival > >I am sceptical of environmental groups ... not sure who does what ... > >I have heard of an outfit called Earth First ... I have heard that they are >pretty cool with that aspect of the planet ... > >Any pro-animal group works for the environment. > >Greenpeace does quite a bit, but I haven't kept up with them over the past >years ... I just remember them going out and trying to stop whale hunters. >Now, that's doing something! > >People who go out and bomb fur stores, that's doing something. > >People who go out and heckle fur wearers on the street, that's doing >something. > >People who stop eating animals are doing more than the WWF for the >environment. > >Individuals can do a lot ... you don't a big name with lots of money and >highly paid executives to save the world. > > > > >Vikas Sharma >Director of Operations & Media >Carnival Management > >Web: http://www3.sympatico.ca/carnival >Email: carnival >Phone > > > > >Edit4You [faison5] >Wednesday, February 02, 2000 12:35 PM > >Re: nothing's sacred > > > " Edit4You " <faison5 > >Hmmm LMAO...why don't you guys tell us how you REALLY feel!? Ok...so what >organzanizations do you believe do the most work for our environment? > ><snip> >>Cathy Jupp <Cathy >> >>Or even the PTF (Putting THEMSELVES First) >> ><snip> >>> " Vikas Sharma " <carnival >>> >>> The WWF have been a bunch of bum fuckers for years! >>> >>> Prince Charles ... that filthy fucking fox hunter is a big member of the >>> WWF >>> .... >>> >>> They have no right to call themselves a preservation group ... they >should >>> be called the PPF (Putting People First) >>> >>> Bastards! >>> >> > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and >select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. > >------ > > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and >select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. > >------ > > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 of course, it's not going to help the poor animal that's already dead ... but it may make the fur store owners think twice about remaining in the killing business .. Vik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2000 Report Share Posted February 3, 2000 Ahhhh...yes good ol'fashioned terrorism works like a charm every time.Do you have any idea how ridiculous and out of hand I think your last statement is?....VERY!!!!Violence only begets more violence and you reduce yourself to the level of the perpetrator of the original crime.The whole concept of " by any means necessary " is a massive load of shit, and opens the doors wide for lawlessness and mass coruption of whatever the original goal was.It is very hard for me to get behind any zealot attitude whether political,moral,religious,animal rights or otherwise. Has any of this violence in the past done anything effective really and truly in the long run? Paul Brennan....human. om: " Vikas Sharma " <carnival > >< > >RE: nothing's sacred >Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:44:53 -0500 > >of course, it's not going to help the poor animal that's already dead ... >but it may make the fur store owners think twice about >remaining in the killing business .. > >Vik > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 Paul ... You know I respect you a lot ... there is no doubt about that ... I realize how ridiculous this may sound, as I agree with you that " ahimsa " is the most sensible and evolved way in which to deal with things. Believe me, as radical and outrageous as my views may sound, I wish we could end all of this non-violently. Paul, when I think about M.K Gandhi's movement of non-violence, I think about a man telling his people to stand up for themselves. It's easy to for other's to take a beating when their own respect, pride, dignity, etc., has been violated for 150 years. But, ask people to take it for other's ... another species mind you .. and it's just not going to happen. We will never end the persecution of other animals if we simply appeal to others. Very few of us are active in the cause anyway ... most of us are " just talking. " What I say is in theory, completely. But for a number of years, I was involved in the animal rights movement, and I felt crippled by the insensitivity to torture and execution that the average human feels for animals. Every time I was in a fur protest .. and man, I have been quite actively involved in those ... I have been more than you can count, I felt as if the whole world was laughing at our cause ... but let me tell you something ... when I was involved in weekly heckling sessions on Yonge Street (myself, as well as a couple of friends, would walk up and down Yonge Street, between Bloor and Dundas every Saturday afternoon and heckle every fur wearer in sight) it created an impact. People became ashamed to wear fur on the streets ... People have the knowledge ... for us to pretend that we, as people living in North America in the 21st Century, don't have the knowledge as to what the fuck is going on ... is unreasonable. Everyone knows it hurts to be killed. Even if it didn't hurt, it's exploitation ... no one, and I mean no one in our society wants to have their civil rights violated. Why the fuck is it okay to infringe on the rights of other animals? When Gandhi told his people to stop working (he created a National Holiday to fuck up the British), his people listened because they knew it would benefit them ... but ask the world to stop eating meat to end the torture and execution that occurs at the slaughterhouse, and most people will laugh and tell us to fuck off. If we are going to live according to the philosophy that our views are based on our level of personal evolution, then let's not even bother trying to convert others ... right now, most of the planet is still living in " selfish " mode ... no matter what we say, they won't change ... if our purpose is to just be, and that means be who we are ... a more evolved animal ... then let's just do that. Let's just be ... I can deal with that .... it hurts, but I can deal with it .. We can share our knowledge in a non-aggressive manner ... chant and be happy. Cool? Vik ... almost human. p.s. Paul .. call me sometime soon, I have to talk to you about something on the side ... nothing to do with animal rights ... but it's important. " Paul Brennan " <brennan67 Ahhhh...yes good ol'fashioned terrorism works like a charm every time.Do you have any idea how ridiculous and out of hand I think your last statement is?....VERY!!!!Violence only begets more violence and you reduce yourself to the level of the perpetrator of the original crime.The whole concept of " by any means necessary " is a massive load of shit, and opens the doors wide for lawlessness and mass coruption of whatever the original goal was.It is very hard for me to get behind any zealot attitude whether political,moral,religious,animal rights or otherwise. Has any of this violence in the past done anything effective really and truly in the long run? Paul Brennan....human. om: " Vikas Sharma " <carnival > >< > >RE: nothing's sacred >Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:44:53 -0500 > >of course, it's not going to help the poor animal that's already dead ... >but it may make the fur store owners think twice about >remaining in the killing business .. > >Vik > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. ZERO. Rates as low as 0.0 percent Intro APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the credit you deserve. Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at <a href= " http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative6 " >Click Here</a> ------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2000 Report Share Posted February 5, 2000 Am I to assume that the use of the term " bum fuckers " by Vikas Sharma is insulting the WWF by implying that they are homosexuals? If so, I take great offence to someone using this sort of statement to cast an insult. Are we now going to start casting insults by using the N word and implying that someone is a person of colour? Using words previously used to insult homosexuals, people of colour, people of race or disabled persons to insult another person just to make a strong protest or point, is perpetuating insulting and degrading stereotypes. It also encourages the perpetuation of discrimination and violence toward those persons considered 'different'. How would you like it if someone insulted you for your choice of diet and proceeded to attack you and force the carcass of a dead animal into your mouth? This is the sort of violence that 'different' people are subjected to every day and someone like yourself only perpetuates this violence and stupidity by reinforcing the notion that someone is sub-standard just because they belong to another group while using that notion to insult another person or group. If I have interpreted your behaviour correctly, I for one believe that a public apology is in order, as the comment was made in public. I also suggest that you take a long hard look at yourself. Here you are choosing a diet to protect the living creatures in this world, however, you give no thought to the effect your thoughts and words will have on the sentient creatures of this world. - " Vikas Sharma " <carnival < > Thursday, February 03, 2000 3:11 AM RE: nothing's sacred > " Vikas Sharma " <carnival > > The WWF have been a bunch of bum fuckers for years! > > Prince Charles ... that filthy fucking fox hunter is a big member of the WWF > .... > > They have no right to call themselves a preservation group ... they should > be called the PPF (Putting People First) > > Bastards! > > Vik > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative4 " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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