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My mom is driving me freakin' CRAZY!!! She is SO

anti vegetarian it's pathetic. She says she feels

we " look down on others " like we are snotty or

think we're better than everyone else. When my

bro went vegan she verbally abused him about it

every single day...when he started eating meat

again she was so happy she took pictures of him

eating turkey. Pathetic and sad! Ok so now she

knows I am a vegetarian but she doesn't know I am

vegan yet because I cannot take her abuse!!! She

lives right up the street from me and helps me

daily with my kids (I have 3 little kids and my

husband works a lot). I truly appreciate what she

does to help me--I think I'd go nuts alone all

day everyday with the kids. But still! Today she

yelled at me for giving my 2 year old daughter

soy milk--saying my daughter doesn't like it

(this was the first day she'd tried it--she has

to get used to it!!). And when I try to give my

kids healthy snacks they always want junk becuase

she lets them have whatever they want. I'll offer

them fruit or something and they'll ask for chips

and my mom will say " See they know what's good! "

If I ever have her babysit when I'm not home she

lets them eat all junk and do things I

specifically say not to do. Today I was telling

her that tofu and soy milk taste good and she was

like " Why are you trying to get other people to

eat like you? You're not only sick but

evangelizing!!! " . I was like " I have to defend

myself when you go on and on about how 'nasty'

soy is!! " I say I like soy milk etc and she calls

me insane. She says if I don't feed my kids meat

and dairy I'll be abusing them becuase they'll

have all manner of deficiencies. What are some

good sources (non animal) of calcium, B12 (we do

take supplements), iron and protien--so I can

tell her we are NOT deficient!!! Jeez! I know, I

know, spend less time with her...I do, but still

I need help sometimes! I have tried sitting down

and saying " Please don't let the kids do this or

that... " but as soon as I'm gone she does it

behind my back!!! I have told her I do NOT look

down on her for eating meat or whatever--that I

don't CARE what she or anyone EATS!!! She wont

believe me and I tell her her insults hurt me and

she says she can't help it, she says she has an

" irrational hatred of vegetarianism " . PLEASE you

guys I need your support and encouragement...and

any info you can give me about how vegan diets

ARE healthy!! Thanks, I love you guys :-)

 

Mary Ann

 

 

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Dear Mary Anne ...

 

I know what you are talking about ... I have a similar issue. My daughter

(who will be 8 on Thursday), lives with her mother and eats anything.

However, I felt that when she visited with my parents, that they would

respect my lifestyle and feed her as I feed her when she is with me.

That is not the case. At one point, I didn't speak with my parents because

of this. The worst thing is that they lied to me about it. That

was mind blowing. I have made a decision, that if I ever have another child

(which probably won't happen), that child will not visit

with my parents unsupervised. My father seems to get a kick out of giving

meat to people that are close to me (he has always tried

to secretly give meat to all of my ex-girlfriends, and all except for one

ate it) ... whenever I found about it ...

 

You have to decide how long you will compromise your principles.

 

If I were in your situation, my children and my mother would have no further

unsupervised contact. But that's just my take on this.

 

I understand your pain in this horrible situation ... my sympathy and

thoughts are with you.

 

You don't need to rationalize this to your mother ... she is the one who

needs to become " educated " in nutrition ... and if she

doesn't understand that an omnivorous lifestyle is a dangerous lifestyle,

then I don't think you need to beg for her understanding.

This is how you have decided you will raise your family. It's not for her to

criticize or judge.

 

Take care,

 

Vik

 

 

 

Mary Ann <maryann23_1977

 

My mom is driving me freakin' CRAZY!!! She is SO

anti vegetarian it's pathetic. She says she feels

we " look down on others " like we are snotty or

think we're better than everyone else. When my

bro went vegan she verbally abused him about it

every single day...when he started eating meat

again she was so happy she took pictures of him

eating turkey. Pathetic and sad! Ok so now she

knows I am a vegetarian but she doesn't know I am

vegan yet because I cannot take her abuse!!! She

lives right up the street from me and helps me

daily with my kids (I have 3 little kids and my

husband works a lot). I truly appreciate what she

does to help me--I think I'd go nuts alone all

day everyday with the kids. But still! Today she

yelled at me for giving my 2 year old daughter

soy milk--saying my daughter doesn't like it

(this was the first day she'd tried it--she has

to get used to it!!). And when I try to give my

kids healthy snacks they always want junk becuase

she lets them have whatever they want. I'll offer

them fruit or something and they'll ask for chips

and my mom will say " See they know what's good! "

If I ever have her babysit when I'm not home she

lets them eat all junk and do things I

specifically say not to do. Today I was telling

her that tofu and soy milk taste good and she was

like " Why are you trying to get other people to

eat like you? You're not only sick but

evangelizing!!! " . I was like " I have to defend

myself when you go on and on about how 'nasty'

soy is!! " I say I like soy milk etc and she calls

me insane. She says if I don't feed my kids meat

and dairy I'll be abusing them becuase they'll

have all manner of deficiencies. What are some

good sources (non animal) of calcium, B12 (we do

take supplements), iron and protien--so I can

tell her we are NOT deficient!!! Jeez! I know, I

know, spend less time with her...I do, but still

I need help sometimes! I have tried sitting down

and saying " Please don't let the kids do this or

that... " but as soon as I'm gone she does it

behind my back!!! I have told her I do NOT look

down on her for eating meat or whatever--that I

don't CARE what she or anyone EATS!!! She wont

believe me and I tell her her insults hurt me and

she says she can't help it, she says she has an

" irrational hatred of vegetarianism " . PLEASE you

guys I need your support and encouragement...and

any info you can give me about how vegan diets

ARE healthy!! Thanks, I love you guys :-)

 

Mary Ann

 

 

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Hi Mary Ann,

I just wanted to talk a little about your relationship

 

with your mom. It sounds to me that there is NO

RESPECT. I couldn't imagine my mother doing that to

me. She had the kids for the day and called me to

see if she was allowed to give them something. They

are just that--my kids and she respects that. She

has even said that when people get defensive when

they hear that we are Vegetarian/Vegan its because

of the discipline we show and that they are lacking.

My mom has even showed interest in the Vegetarian

lifestyle. Why is your mom so hostile? I would

let her know that if she does not respect you as

a person and as a mother, you are not going to

tolerate it. This might be one of the reasons you

are dealing with depression (I remember your

introduction with the mention of Prozac). When

someone is not treated as a valuable human being with

the ability to think things through, it can be

very depressing. You sound like a decent person

with a good head on your shoulders. You are doing

what needs to be done by finding out the facts.

I found a good link in regards to nutrients for

Vegetarian lifestyles--maybe you can take some from

this and put it towards your Vegan lifestyle.

http://www.eatright.org/adap1197.html

I'm sure you will be sent many more.

Take care,

Alyssa

 

--- Mary Ann <maryann23_1977 wrote:

> Mary Ann <maryann23_1977

>

> My mom is driving me freakin' CRAZY!!! She is SO

> anti vegetarian it's pathetic. She says she feels

> we " look down on others " like we are snotty or

> think we're better than everyone else. When my

> bro went vegan she verbally abused him about it

> every single day...when he started eating meat

> again she was so happy she took pictures of him

> eating turkey. Pathetic and sad! Ok so now she

> knows I am a vegetarian but she doesn't know I am

> vegan yet because I cannot take her abuse!!! She

> lives right up the street from me and helps me

> daily with my kids (I have 3 little kids and my

> husband works a lot). I truly appreciate what she

> does to help me--I think I'd go nuts alone all

> day everyday with the kids. But still! Today she

> yelled at me for giving my 2 year old daughter

> soy milk--saying my daughter doesn't like it

> (this was the first day she'd tried it--she has

> to get used to it!!). And when I try to give my

> kids healthy snacks they always want junk becuase

> she lets them have whatever they want. I'll offer

> them fruit or something and they'll ask for chips

> and my mom will say " See they know what's good! "

> If I ever have her babysit when I'm not home she

> lets them eat all junk and do things I

> specifically say not to do. Today I was telling

> her that tofu and soy milk taste good and she was

> like " Why are you trying to get other people to

> eat like you? You're not only sick but

> evangelizing!!! " . I was like " I have to defend

> myself when you go on and on about how 'nasty'

> soy is!! " I say I like soy milk etc and she calls

> me insane. She says if I don't feed my kids meat

> and dairy I'll be abusing them becuase they'll

> have all manner of deficiencies. What are some

> good sources (non animal) of calcium, B12 (we do

> take supplements), iron and protien--so I can

> tell her we are NOT deficient!!! Jeez! I know, I

> know, spend less time with her...I do, but still

> I need help sometimes! I have tried sitting down

> and saying " Please don't let the kids do this or

> that... " but as soon as I'm gone she does it

> behind my back!!! I have told her I do NOT look

> down on her for eating meat or whatever--that I

> don't CARE what she or anyone EATS!!! She wont

> believe me and I tell her her insults hurt me and

> she says she can't help it, she says she has an

> " irrational hatred of vegetarianism " . PLEASE you

> guys I need your support and encouragement...and

> any info you can give me about how vegan diets

> ARE healthy!! Thanks, I love you guys :-)

>

> Mary Ann

>

>

> =====

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> it's been... "

> ~~The Grateful Dead...we miss you Jerry...

>

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Hi Mary Ann,

 

I wish I had some advice for you about how to deal with your mother, but

I can't say that I have the necessary experience. It seems, however, that

a couple of other people on this list have had similar experiences that

they can share. My mother was born in China, so I think she has known

about the Bhuddist vegan lifestyle and is aware that there are lots of

healthy vegan bhuddists. Maybe they're the real-life proof. Monks are

vegan, and I've never heard of them being any less healthy - the opposite

in fact.

 

I think that Alyssa's suggestion of the ADA statement about vegetarian diet

is the best since they're quite impartial and they are experts in diet

without a doubt. Here's a few other links as well that are very relavent

since cancer and heart disease are the biggest killers of North Americans

....

 

Cancer Society - These pages say that less meat and more vegetables is

better for the prevention of cancer, and they make no limit on how far you

should take that idea, even though they don't say anything about

vegetarianism directly.

http://www2.cancer.org/prevention/index.cfm?prevention=1

http://www2.cancer.org/prevention/index.cfm?prevention=factors

 

I am very very happy to find that the American Heart Association has

finally put a page up advocatiing vegetarianism for health!

http://www.americanheart.org/Heart_and_Stroke_A_Z_Guide/vegdiet.html

they also recommend the Ornish treatment which includes a vegetarian diet.

http://www.americanheart.org/Heart_and_Stroke_A_Z_Guide/ornish.html

 

Best wishes,

Anthony

 

Alyssa wrote:

 

> Alyssa <alyssa71

>

> Hi Mary Ann,

> I just wanted to talk a little about your relationship

>

> with your mom. It sounds to me that there is NO

> RESPECT. I couldn't imagine my mother doing that to

> me. She had the kids for the day and called me to

> see if she was allowed to give them something. They

> are just that--my kids and she respects that. She

> has even said that when people get defensive when

> they hear that we are Vegetarian/Vegan its because

> of the discipline we show and that they are lacking.

> My mom has even showed interest in the Vegetarian

> lifestyle. Why is your mom so hostile? I would

> let her know that if she does not respect you as

> a person and as a mother, you are not going to

> tolerate it. This might be one of the reasons you

> are dealing with depression (I remember your

> introduction with the mention of Prozac). When

> someone is not treated as a valuable human being with

> the ability to think things through, it can be

> very depressing. You sound like a decent person

> with a good head on your shoulders. You are doing

> what needs to be done by finding out the facts.

> I found a good link in regards to nutrients for

> Vegetarian lifestyles--maybe you can take some from

> this and put it towards your Vegan lifestyle.

> http://www.eatright.org/adap1197.html

> I'm sure you will be sent many more.

> Take care,

> Alyssa

>

> --- Mary Ann <maryann23_1977 wrote:

> > Mary Ann <maryann23_1977

> >

> > My mom is driving me freakin' CRAZY!!! She is SO

> > anti vegetarian it's pathetic. She says she feels

> > we " look down on others " like we are snotty or

> > think we're better than everyone else. When my

> > bro went vegan she verbally abused him about it

> > every single day...when he started eating meat

> > again she was so happy she took pictures of him

> > eating turkey. Pathetic and sad! Ok so now she

> > knows I am a vegetarian but she doesn't know I am

> > vegan yet because I cannot take her abuse!!! She

> > lives right up the street from me and helps me

> > daily with my kids (I have 3 little kids and my

> > husband works a lot). I truly appreciate what she

> > does to help me--I think I'd go nuts alone all

> > day everyday with the kids. But still! Today she

> > yelled at me for giving my 2 year old daughter

> > soy milk--saying my daughter doesn't like it

> > (this was the first day she'd tried it--she has

> > to get used to it!!). And when I try to give my

> > kids healthy snacks they always want junk becuase

> > she lets them have whatever they want. I'll offer

> > them fruit or something and they'll ask for chips

> > and my mom will say " See they know what's good! "

> > If I ever have her babysit when I'm not home she

> > lets them eat all junk and do things I

> > specifically say not to do. Today I was telling

> > her that tofu and soy milk taste good and she was

> > like " Why are you trying to get other people to

> > eat like you? You're not only sick but

> > evangelizing!!! " . I was like " I have to defend

> > myself when you go on and on about how 'nasty'

> > soy is!! " I say I like soy milk etc and she calls

> > me insane. She says if I don't feed my kids meat

> > and dairy I'll be abusing them becuase they'll

> > have all manner of deficiencies. What are some

> > good sources (non animal) of calcium, B12 (we do

> > take supplements), iron and protien--so I can

> > tell her we are NOT deficient!!! Jeez! I know, I

> > know, spend less time with her...I do, but still

> > I need help sometimes! I have tried sitting down

> > and saying " Please don't let the kids do this or

> > that... " but as soon as I'm gone she does it

> > behind my back!!! I have told her I do NOT look

> > down on her for eating meat or whatever--that I

> > don't CARE what she or anyone EATS!!! She wont

> > believe me and I tell her her insults hurt me and

> > she says she can't help it, she says she has an

> > " irrational hatred of vegetarianism " . PLEASE you

> > guys I need your support and encouragement...and

> > any info you can give me about how vegan diets

> > ARE healthy!! Thanks, I love you guys :-)

> >

> > Mary Ann

> >

> >

> > =====

> > " Lately it occurs to me...what a long strange trip

> > it's been... "

> > ~~The Grateful Dead...we miss you Jerry...

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Actually the American Cancer Society has an entire piece on vegetarianism in

their 'Alternative and Complementary Therapies' section which states,

" ...the majority of vegetarians choose a meatless diet because they believe it

is healthier. And they are right. The US Government has long encouraged reducing

the amount of animal fat in American diets, because excessive fat contributes to

poor health in many ways, including increasing the risk for some cancers.

 

Government and other professional nutritionists encourage diets filled with

grains, fruits and vegetables, with minimal intake of meat, fish, poultry, dairy

products and eggs. "

 

" Scientific data show that vegetarian diets reduce not only obesity and

constipation, but alcoholism and the risk of lung cancer as well. There is also

evidence that diets excluding animal fats reduce the incidence of coronary

artery disease, hypertension, type II diabetes and gallstones.

 

Vegetarian diets are healthful primarily because they reduce or eliminate fat

derived from animal products, while containing almost the full range of vitamins

and minerals essential to good health. A wide variety of fruits, vegetables,

grains, and nuts is essential to a nutritionally- balanced diet. "

http://www.cancer.org/alt_therapy/vege.htm

 

 

Other good, credible places to look at for health info are

 

Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine

http://www.pcrm.org/health/index.html

 

Center for Science in the Public Interest

http://www.cspinet.org/nah/10veggie.html

 

Andrews Unversity Nutrition Department http://www.andrews.edu/NUFS/fall96.html

 

T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D (NewCenturyNutrition and the Cornell-Oxford-China Diet

and Health Project) http://www.newcenturynutrition.com/NCN/newsletter.html

 

Dean Ornish, M.D. http://www.betterhealth.com/ornish/

 

Michael Klaper, M.D. http://www.vegsource.com/klaper/

 

William Harris, M.D. http://www.vegsource.com/harris/

 

John McDougall, M.D. http://www.drmcdougall.com/index.html

 

Ginny Messina, MPH, RD http://www.olympus.net/messina/

 

Vesanto Melina, R.D. http://www.nutrispeak.com/Default.htm

 

Ruth Heidrich, PhD http://www.vegsource.com/heidrich/

 

Terry Shintani, MD, JD, MPH http://www.fatfree.com/diets/shintani.html

 

And while your at it, tell your mom about Howard Lyman

http://www.vegsource.org/lyman/

http://www.vegsource.org/lyman/vegtimes_may96.htm

http://www.madcowboy.com/bio.htm

 

Vegetarian Diets http://www3.sympatico.ca/anji/health.html

Expert Opinions http://www3.sympatico.ca/anji/health_expert.html

Food Safety http://www3.sympatico.ca/anji/health_safety.html

Dairy http://www3.sympatico.ca/anji/health_dairy.html

Health Studies/News http://www3.sympatico.ca/anji/news.html

Facts and Figures http://www3.sympatico.ca/anji/facts.html

 

Hope this helps.

 

-anji

 

 

 

> Cancer Society - These pages say that less meat and more vegetables is

> better for the prevention of cancer, and they make no limit on how far you

> should take that idea, even though they don't say anything about

> vegetarianism directly.

http://www2.cancer.org/prevention/index.cfm?prevention=1

http://www2.cancer.org/prevention/index.cfm?prevention=1

http://www2.cancer.org/prevention/index.cfm?prevention=factors "

http://www2.cancer.org/prevention/index.cfm?prevention=factors

>

> I am very very happy to find that the American Heart Association has

> finally put a page up advocatiing vegetarianism for health!

http://www.americanheart.org/Heart_and_Stroke_A_Z_Guide/vegdiet.html

http://www.americanheart.org/Heart_and_Stroke_A_Z_Guide/vegdiet.html they also

recommend the Ornish treatment which includes a vegetarian diet.

http://www.americanheart.org/Heart_and_Stroke_A_Z_Guide/ornish.html

http://www.americanheart.org/Heart_and_Stroke_A_Z_Guide/ornish.html

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Well said Alyssa!

Bliss

 

Alyssa <alyssa71

Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:08:16 -0800 (PST)

 

Re: Unsupportive--the " My Family " Story

 

 

> Alyssa <alyssa71

>

> Hi Mary Ann,

> I just wanted to talk a little about your relationship

>

> with your mom. It sounds to me that there is NO

> RESPECT. I couldn't imagine my mother doing that to

> me. She had the kids for the day and called me to

> see if she was allowed to give them something. They

> are just that--my kids and she respects that. She

> has even said that when people get defensive when

> they hear that we are Vegetarian/Vegan its because

> of the discipline we show and that they are lacking.

> My mom has even showed interest in the Vegetarian

> lifestyle. Why is your mom so hostile? I would

> let her know that if she does not respect you as

> a person and as a mother, you are not going to

> tolerate it. This might be one of the reasons you

> are dealing with depression (I remember your

> introduction with the mention of Prozac). When

> someone is not treated as a valuable human being with

> the ability to think things through, it can be

> very depressing. You sound like a decent person

> with a good head on your shoulders. You are doing

> what needs to be done by finding out the facts.

> I found a good link in regards to nutrients for

> Vegetarian lifestyles--maybe you can take some from

> this and put it towards your Vegan lifestyle.

> <A HREF= " http://www.eatright.org/adap1197.html " TARGET= " _new " ><FONT

COLOR= " BLUE " >http://www.eatright.org/adap1197.html</FONT></A>

> I'm sure you will be sent many more.

> Take care,

> Alyssa

>

> --- Mary Ann <maryann23_1977 wrote:

> > Mary Ann <maryann23_1977

> >

> > My mom is driving me freakin' CRAZY!!! She is SO

> > anti vegetarian it's pathetic. She says she feels

> > we " look down on others " like we are snotty or

> > think we're better than everyone else. When my

> > bro went vegan she verbally abused him about it

> > every single day...when he started eating meat

> > again she was so happy she took pictures of him

> > eating turkey. Pathetic and sad! Ok so now she

> > knows I am a vegetarian but she doesn't know I am

> > vegan yet because I cannot take her abuse!!! She

> > lives right up the street from me and helps me

> > daily with my kids (I have 3 little kids and my

> > husband works a lot). I truly appreciate what she

> > does to help me--I think I'd go nuts alone all

> > day everyday with the kids. But still! Today she

> > yelled at me for giving my 2 year old daughter

> > soy milk--saying my daughter doesn't like it

> > (this was the first day she'd tried it--she has

> > to get used to it!!). And when I try to give my

> > kids healthy snacks they always want junk becuase

> > she lets them have whatever they want. I'll offer

> > them fruit or something and they'll ask for chips

> > and my mom will say " See they know what's good! "

> > If I ever have her babysit when I'm not home she

> > lets them eat all junk and do things I

> > specifically say not to do. Today I was telling

> > her that tofu and soy milk taste good and she was

> > like " Why are you trying to get other people to

> > eat like you? You're not only sick but

> > evangelizing!!! " . I was like " I have to defend

> > myself when you go on and on about how 'nasty'

> > soy is!! " I say I like soy milk etc and she calls

> > me insane. She says if I don't feed my kids meat

> > and dairy I'll be abusing them becuase they'll

> > have all manner of deficiencies. What are some

> > good sources (non animal) of calcium, B12 (we do

> > take supplements), iron and protien--so I can

> > tell her we are NOT deficient!!! Jeez! I know, I

> > know, spend less time with her...I do, but still

> > I need help sometimes! I have tried sitting down

> > and saying " Please don't let the kids do this or

> > that... " but as soon as I'm gone she does it

> > behind my back!!! I have told her I do NOT look

> > down on her for eating meat or whatever--that I

> > don't CARE what she or anyone EATS!!! She wont

> > believe me and I tell her her insults hurt me and

> > she says she can't help it, she says she has an

> > " irrational hatred of vegetarianism " . PLEASE you

> > guys I need your support and encouragement...and

> > any info you can give me about how vegan diets

> > ARE healthy!! Thanks, I love you guys :-)

> >

> > Mary Ann

> >

> >

> > =====

> > " Lately it occurs to me...what a long strange trip

> > it's been... "

> > ~~The Grateful Dead...we miss you Jerry...

> >

> >

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I appreciate this response and the one from Mary Ann.

I was hoping I wasn't too harsh. I had strong

feelings when I read Mary Ann's plight. I'm not

one to not speak my mind. Sometimes you have to demand

respect. Thank you!! :) I'm glad I could contribute

my two cents.

 

--- amazon grrrl <bliss wrote:

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>

> Well said Alyssa!

> Bliss

>

> Alyssa <alyssa71

> Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:08:16 -0800 (PST)

>

> Re: Unsupportive--the " My

> Family " Story

>

>

> > Alyssa <alyssa71

> >

> > Hi Mary Ann,

> > I just wanted to talk a little about your

> relationship

> >

> > with your mom. It sounds to me that there is NO

> > RESPECT. I couldn't imagine my mother doing that

> to

> > me. She had the kids for the day and called me to

> > see if she was allowed to give them something.

> They

> > are just that--my kids and she respects that. She

> > has even said that when people get defensive when

> > they hear that we are Vegetarian/Vegan its because

> > of the discipline we show and that they are

> lacking.

> > My mom has even showed interest in the Vegetarian

> > lifestyle. Why is your mom so hostile? I would

> > let her know that if she does not respect you as

> > a person and as a mother, you are not going to

> > tolerate it. This might be one of the reasons you

> > are dealing with depression (I remember your

> > introduction with the mention of Prozac). When

> > someone is not treated as a valuable human being

> with

> > the ability to think things through, it can be

> > very depressing. You sound like a decent person

> > with a good head on your shoulders. You are doing

>

> > what needs to be done by finding out the facts.

> > I found a good link in regards to nutrients for

> > Vegetarian lifestyles--maybe you can take some

> from

> > this and put it towards your Vegan lifestyle.

> > <A HREF= " http://www.eatright.org/adap1197.html "

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> > I'm sure you will be sent many more.

> > Take care,

> > Alyssa

> >

> > --- Mary Ann <maryann23_1977 wrote:

> > > Mary Ann <maryann23_1977

> > >

> > > My mom is driving me freakin' CRAZY!!! She is SO

> > > anti vegetarian it's pathetic. She says she

> feels

> > > we " look down on others " like we are snotty or

> > > think we're better than everyone else. When my

> > > bro went vegan she verbally abused him about it

> > > every single day...when he started eating meat

> > > again she was so happy she took pictures of him

> > > eating turkey. Pathetic and sad! Ok so now she

> > > knows I am a vegetarian but she doesn't know I

> am

> > > vegan yet because I cannot take her abuse!!! She

> > > lives right up the street from me and helps me

> > > daily with my kids (I have 3 little kids and my

> > > husband works a lot). I truly appreciate what

> she

> > > does to help me--I think I'd go nuts alone all

> > > day everyday with the kids. But still! Today she

> > > yelled at me for giving my 2 year old daughter

> > > soy milk--saying my daughter doesn't like it

> > > (this was the first day she'd tried it--she has

> > > to get used to it!!). And when I try to give my

> > > kids healthy snacks they always want junk

> becuase

> > > she lets them have whatever they want. I'll

> offer

> > > them fruit or something and they'll ask for

> chips

> > > and my mom will say " See they know what's good! "

> > > If I ever have her babysit when I'm not home she

> > > lets them eat all junk and do things I

> > > specifically say not to do. Today I was telling

> > > her that tofu and soy milk taste good and she

> was

> > > like " Why are you trying to get other people to

> > > eat like you? You're not only sick but

> > > evangelizing!!! " . I was like " I have to defend

> > > myself when you go on and on about how 'nasty'

> > > soy is!! " I say I like soy milk etc and she

> calls

> > > me insane. She says if I don't feed my kids meat

> > > and dairy I'll be abusing them becuase they'll

> > > have all manner of deficiencies. What are some

> > > good sources (non animal) of calcium, B12 (we do

> > > take supplements), iron and protien--so I can

> > > tell her we are NOT deficient!!! Jeez! I know, I

> > > know, spend less time with her...I do, but still

> > > I need help sometimes! I have tried sitting down

> > > and saying " Please don't let the kids do this or

> > > that... " but as soon as I'm gone she does it

> > > behind my back!!! I have told her I do NOT look

> > > down on her for eating meat or whatever--that I

> > > don't CARE what she or anyone EATS!!! She wont

> > > believe me and I tell her her insults hurt me

> and

> > > she says she can't help it, she says she has an

> > > " irrational hatred of vegetarianism " . PLEASE you

> > > guys I need your support and encouragement...and

> > > any info you can give me about how vegan diets

> > > ARE healthy!! Thanks, I love you guys :-)

> > >

> > > Mary Ann

> > >

> > >

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> trip

> > > it's been... "

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sounds like you've got a HUGE problem....how can she say that chips are

better than veggies anyway???

just make her read all the sites...like meatsticks.com and

milksucks.com and vegsource.com and all the others!!! sorry you can't

trust your mother to take care of your kids....that really doesn't sound

fun..you're trying to raise your kids healthy and he's just screwing it

up!!!

 

well good luck!!

 

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Mary Ann wrote:

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> Mary Ann <maryann23_1977

>

> My mom is driving me freakin' CRAZY!!! She is SO

> anti vegetarian it's pathetic. She says she feels

> we " look down on others " like we are snotty or

> think we're better than everyone else. When my

> bro went vegan she verbally abused him about it

> every single day...when he started eating meat

> again she was so happy she took pictures of him

> eating turkey. Pathetic and sad! Ok so now she

> knows I am a vegetarian but she doesn't know I am

> vegan yet because I cannot take her abuse!!! She

> lives right up the street from me and helps me

> daily with my kids (I have 3 little kids and my

> husband works a lot). I truly appreciate what she

> does to help me--I think I'd go nuts alone all

> day everyday with the kids. But still! Today she

> yelled at me for giving my 2 year old daughter

> soy milk--saying my daughter doesn't like it

> (this was the first day she'd tried it--she has

> to get used to it!!). And when I try to give my

> kids healthy snacks they always want junk becuase

> she lets them have whatever they want. I'll offer

> them fruit or something and they'll ask for chips

> and my mom will say " See they know what's good! "

> If I ever have her babysit when I'm not home she

> lets them eat all junk and do things I

> specifically say not to do. Today I was telling

> her that tofu and soy milk taste good and she was

> like " Why are you trying to get other people to

> eat like you? You're not only sick but

> evangelizing!!! " . I was like " I have to defend

> myself when you go on and on about how 'nasty'

> soy is!! " I say I like soy milk etc and she calls

> me insane. She says if I don't feed my kids meat

> and dairy I'll be abusing them becuase they'll

> have all manner of deficiencies. What are some

> good sources (non animal) of calcium, B12 (we do

> take supplements), iron and protien--so I can

> tell her we are NOT deficient!!! Jeez! I know, I

> know, spend less time with her...I do, but still

> I need help sometimes! I have tried sitting down

> and saying " Please don't let the kids do this or

> that... " but as soon as I'm gone she does it

> behind my back!!! I have told her I do NOT look

> down on her for eating meat or whatever--that I

> don't CARE what she or anyone EATS!!! She wont

> believe me and I tell her her insults hurt me and

> she says she can't help it, she says she has an

> " irrational hatred of vegetarianism " . PLEASE you

> guys I need your support and encouragement...and

> any info you can give me about how vegan diets

> ARE healthy!! Thanks, I love you guys :-)

>

> Mary Ann

>

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