Guest guest Posted March 22, 2000 Report Share Posted March 22, 2000 hi everyone; i just had an idea....we need to take action.I just recently had a conversation with my shrink(ya gotta get one-it's awesome!) and i was venting my frustration about the 'plight of the animals',i.e. how completely worked up i get about the state of this fucking planet and all the crap that's going on....i get to the point where i don't want to live here anymore!!! i'm sure you can all relate. i feel really frustrated and helpless and lose hope that anything can be done to stop all the suffering of innocent animals. anyway, he gave me simple but solid advice... first of all he told me that part of my frustration is 'displacement'-i.e. when you have stressfull crap going on in your life that you are not dealing directly with, you can become overly obsessed or overly upset with another issue. He wasn't implying that animal rights is not something to get worked up about in it's own right, just that when it causes such strong, painful, obsessive emotions it can be related to other unrelated stuff in your life.i have a few big issues in my life right now that i am afraid to deal with so i am displacing my feelings and frustrations onto other issues. anyway that's not really that point of this message, just a tidbit that may help some of you understand your feelings a little better, if you are like me... my shrink also informed me that all the worrying in the world will not change anything!! he's right... he suggested taking action, instead of just venting or obsessing. which is why i am writing this message... i want to propose that we set aside a specific day each week to take direct action...now, i do believe that it shouldn't be necessarily limited to only one day per week-not at all, but having this day would guarantee that we all did something AT LEAST once a week. it could be major things like demonstrations or protests, or just little things like writing letters to companies or even just giving constuctive information to an uninformed omnivore friend. i think that we would all feel better if we were doing something to spread our message and change something about this fucked up society! we can pick an 'action day', commit to it, and report our efforts on planet vegan! cool? let me know what you guys think, and if you like it, pick a day when you would be able to make the time to take action.... i vote for thursday also, the cool thing is that we don't even need to all agree on this...it'll work for some and not for others, but that's ok, because the objective is to increase direct action, and i believe that ANY increase is a very positive thing! sorry this is sooooo long...i have a bit of a problem with going on and on and on and on.............................. bobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2000 Report Share Posted March 23, 2000 Hi Bobby Its very interesting what your shrink has to say; although Im no expert, tranference could be it, or you could ACTUALLY be upset over the plight of the planet and its creatures. I know I am. I liked what you had to say about taking action because you are right - it is invigorating. Lets just say that a few planet veganers and myself did some FAB CULTURE JAMMING this weekend. Thanks to those who jammed/supplied the posters! I dont want to go into details but I feel really good about what we did. Maybe itll stop just ONE person from eating that Mcdonalds hamburger, or stop ONE person from supporting the fur or meat industries, than that makes a difference. It was rewarding too, to see peoples reactions to the information we were conveying. Ideally I wish the whole world would wake up, but the information needs tp get out there. People just dont connect the dots. They think happy cows are on pumps gladly giving their milk and babies away. They think pigs jump and leap with joy to the slaughterhouse. Woo hoo! Well, As if! Please! Anyhew, I agree on direct action. Its empowering and its neccessary to create change! Every little thing we can do, from composting, to turning off the tap when brushing our teeth to going vegan helps. Blah blah blah ad nauseum. Peace, Bliss P.S. I will be attending the Black Rock festival in Nevada (see burningman.com) this fall. Im thinking of incorporating some kind of GO VEGAN propaganda into an art peice or oasis stop. If anyone wants to participate, join me, give me ideas or just come along as a fellow vegan, please let me know! -- _____________ Free email services provided by http://www.goodkarmamail.com powered by OutBlaze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2000 Report Share Posted March 23, 2000 Dear Bobby! I am very happy to hear that you are interested in taking part in Animal Right Action .. be careful of the use of the term Direct Action, as the authorities (especially the RCMP) take that to mean one thing - illegal activities (bombing, window breaking, general disruptions). I like that you stated that everyone should do what they feel is best in regard to " action. " I think it's a very positive start. For myself, I was heavily involved in group action years and years ago, and will never return to doing anything in groups, ever. However, like many of you ... I do things on my own that could be perceived as " action. " Every day at work, my staff and I do everything we can to increase Soy consumption. We are using close to 30 litres of Soy Milk per week at my Starbucks store. We find that Soy usage is infectious ... if there are 5 people in line, and one person asks for soy, then at least two others will ask about it and most probably, try it! Thanks for the inspiration, Bobby! Vik Vikas Sharma of Operations & Media Carnival Management Web: http://www3.sympatico.ca/carnival Email: carnival Phone 416.92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2000 Report Share Posted March 23, 2000 > " Vikas Sharma " <carnival > > > For myself, I was heavily involved in group action years and years ago, > and > will never return to doing anything in groups, ever. > Would you mind if I asked " why not " ? Cathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2000 Report Share Posted March 23, 2000 Cathy, It's a really complicated story ... so, I won't get into it ... however, I will try and explain my stance on things from my perspective today. I believe that everything that happens in this world, happens for a reason. All of the suffering, torture, execution, etc., occurs because we all (the " general " all, if you will allow me) will it. Things are the way they are and, as I see it, we won't be able to change that in this lifetime. However, what each of us does in our daily lives will contribute to a " shift in consciousness " ... I believe that if there is a God, s/he wants us to work towards that " shift. " We need to keep making that choice each time we sit down to eat ... we need to influence others (either through direct action, action or silence - all of these methods work) ... it's a painful realization ... I wanted to change the world for many years ... and I felt that regardless how much you present the big picture to people, those who don't give a fuck, will simply do that, not give a fuck. You can appeal to them, put a big window at the slaughterhouse, etc., they won't change. If you believe in the " soul " ... which I think I am starting to understand as " god " ... each of our souls are at different levels of " evolution. " Those of us who embrace compassion at a higher level ... seek truth and attempt to understand things that others can't; simply because they are less evolved. I believe that working with others is no different than working on your own, except that, working with others introduces complications of method, result, meaning, purpose, etc. Where I am at, in my quest for animal liberation, might be completely different from where you are at. I find that nine times out of ten, my insistence that humans are no more important than animals scares people away. Most people take that to mean that animals are more important than humans, and that's not what I am about. Do I sympathize more with the suffering of other animals than I do with human suffering? Yes, of course, the two are incomparable. Most of the animals that are persecuted by humans are not persecutors themselves. However, we can't say the same for the old lady who was beat up for her purse ... she persecuted when she had bacon and eggs for breakfast. I feel bad for her, but not sorry ... the poor lab rat that had it's sides ripped open while it was still alive, committed the crime of being conceived. Do the math. I have forever been frowned upon because I don't see the crime in breaking the windows of a fur store until it goes out of business. Fuck them! Vik Vikas Sharma of Operations & Media Carnival Management Web: http://www3.sympatico.ca/carnival Email: carnival Phone 416.9 Cathy Jupp [cathy] Thursday, March 23, 2000 8:53 AM RE: action!!! Cathy Jupp <cathy > " Vikas Sharma " <carnival > > > For myself, I was heavily involved in group action years and years ago, > and > will never return to doing anything in groups, ever. > Would you mind if I asked " why not " ? Cathy ------ DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click./1/2120/3/_/651892/_/953819639/ ------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2000 Report Share Posted March 24, 2000 Hey All, I think Bobby's idea is great although some people may be weary of the term 'Direct Action'. I think 'direct education' may be more acceptable. I am slowly walking down the road towards veganism and I know that the subtle statements and words of wisdom by close friends have made my trip a little easier to travel. I will pick a day, maybe not the same day, to share what I have learned with those who are less aware. Donny Robert Bailey <kirstie " " < > action!!! Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:36:43 -0500 hi everyone; i just had an idea....we need to take action.I just recently had a conversation with my shrink(ya gotta get one-it's awesome!) and i was venting my frustration about the 'plight of the animals',i.e. how completely worked up i get about the state of this fucking planet and all the crap that's going on....i get to the point where i don't want to live here anymore!!! i'm sure you can all relate. i feel really frustrated and helpless and lose hope that anything can be done to stop all the suffering of innocent animals. anyway, he gave me simple but solid advice... first of all he told me that part of my frustration is 'displacement'-i.e. when you have stressfull crap going on in your life that you are not dealing directly with, you can become overly obsessed or overly upset with another issue. He wasn't implying that animal rights is not something to get worked up about in it's own right, just that when it causes such strong, painful, obsessive emotions it can be related to other unrelated stuff in your life.i have a few big issues in my life right now that i am afraid to deal with so i am displacing my feelings and frustrations onto other issues. anyway that's not really that point of this message, just a tidbit that may help some of you understand your feelings a little better, if you are like me... my shrink also informed me that all the worrying in the world will not change anything!! he's right... he suggested taking action, instead of just venting or obsessing. which is why i am writing this message... i want to propose that we set aside a specific day each week to take direct action...now, i do believe that it shouldn't be necessarily limited to only one day per week-not at all, but having this day would guarantee that we all did something AT LEAST once a week. it could be major things like demonstrations or protests, or just little things like writing letters to companies or even just giving constuctive information to an uninformed omnivore friend. i think that we would all feel better if we were doing something to spread our message and change something about this fucked up society! we can pick an 'action day', commit to it, and report our efforts on planet vegan! cool? let me know what you guys think, and if you like it, pick a day when you would be able to make the time to take action.... i vote for thursday also, the cool thing is that we don't even need to all agree on this...it'll work for some and not for others, but that's ok, because the objective is to increase direct action, and i believe that ANY increase is a very positive thing! sorry this is sooooo long...i have a bit of a problem with going on and on and on and on.............................. bobby ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2000 Report Share Posted March 25, 2000 Maybe action can be from your computer. Like going to this site http://www.angelfire.com/la2/TRapper/ and letting them know what you think. Alyssa Robert Bailey <kirstie wrote: Robert Bailey hi everyone; i just had an idea....we need to take action.I just recently had a conversation with my shrink(ya gotta get one-it's awesome!) and i was venting my frustration about the 'plight of the animals',i.e. how completely worked up i get about the state of this fucking planet and all the crap that's going on....i get to the point where i don't want to live here anymore!!! i'm sure you can all relate. i feel really frustrated and helpless and lose hope that anything can be done to stop all the suffering of innocent animals. anyway, he gave me simple but solid advice... first of all he told me that part of my frustration is 'displacement'-i.e. when you have stressfull crap going on in your life that you are not dealing directly with, you can become overly obsessed or overly upset with another issue. He wasn't implying that animal rights is not something to get worked up about in it's own right, just that when it causes such strong, painful, obsessive emotions it can be related to other unrelated stuff in your life.i have a few big issues in my life right now that i am afraid to deal with so i am displacing my feelings and frustrations onto other issues. anyway that's not really that point of this message, just a tidbit that may help some of you understand your feelings a little better, if you are like me... my shrink also informed me that all the worrying in the world will not change anything!! he's right... he suggested taking action, instead of just venting or obsessing. which is why i am writing this message... i want to propose that we set aside a specific day each week to take direct action...now, i do believe that it shouldn't be necessarily limited to only one day per week-not at all, but having this day would guarantee that we all did something AT LEAST once a week. it could be major things like demonstrations or protests, or just little things like writing letters to companies or even just giving constuctive information to an uninformed omnivore friend. i think that we would all feel better if we were doing something to spread our message and change something about this fucked up society! we can pick an 'action day', commit to it, and report our efforts on planet vegan! cool? let me know what you guys think, and if you like it, pick a day when you would be able to make the time to take action.... i vote for thursday also, the cool thing is that we don't even need to all agree on this...it'll work for some and not for others, but that's ok, because the objective is to increase direct action, and i believe that ANY increase is a very positive thing! sorry this is sooooo long...i have a bit of a problem with going on and on and on and on.............................. bobby ------ DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click./1/2120/3/_/651892/_/953747250/ ------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Talk to your friends online with Messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2000 Report Share Posted March 25, 2000 i say let's fuck some shit up! any toronto inhabitants want to get together and do some direct actions? respond to fly Alyssa [alyssa71] Saturday, March 25, 2000 4:18 PM Re: action!!! Alyssa <alyssa71 Maybe action can be from your computer. Like going to this site http://www.angelfire.com/la2/TRapper/ and letting them know what you think. Alyssa Robert Bailey <kirstie wrote: Robert Bailey hi everyone; i just had an idea....we need to take action.I just recently had a conversation with my shrink(ya gotta get one-it's awesome!) and i was venting my frustration about the 'plight of the animals',i.e. how completely worked up i get about the state of this fucking planet and all the crap that's going on....i get to the point where i don't want to live here anymore!!! i'm sure you can all relate. i feel really frustrated and helpless and lose hope that anything can be done to stop all the suffering of innocent animals. anyway, he gave me simple but solid advice... first of all he told me that part of my frustration is 'displacement'-i.e. when you have stressfull crap going on in your life that you are not dealing directly with, you can become overly obsessed or overly upset with another issue. He wasn't implying that animal rights is not something to get worked up about in it's own right, just that when it causes such strong, painful, obsessive emotions it can be related to other unrelated stuff in your life.i have a few big issues in my life right now that i am afraid to deal with so i am displacing my feelings and frustrations onto other issues. anyway that's not really that point of this message, just a tidbit that may help some of you understand your feelings a little better, if you are like me... my shrink also informed me that all the worrying in the world will not change anything!! he's right... he suggested taking action, instead of just venting or obsessing. which is why i am writing this message... i want to propose that we set aside a specific day each week to take direct action...now, i do believe that it shouldn't be necessarily limited to only one day per week-not at all, but having this day would guarantee that we all did something AT LEAST once a week. it could be major things like demonstrations or protests, or just little things like writing letters to companies or even just giving constuctive information to an uninformed omnivore friend. i think that we would all feel better if we were doing something to spread our message and change something about this fucked up society! we can pick an 'action day', commit to it, and report our efforts on planet vegan! cool? let me know what you guys think, and if you like it, pick a day when you would be able to make the time to take action.... i vote for thursday also, the cool thing is that we don't even need to all agree on this...it'll work for some and not for others, but that's ok, because the objective is to increase direct action, and i believe that ANY increase is a very positive thing! sorry this is sooooo long...i have a bit of a problem with going on and on and on and on.............................. bobby ------ DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click./1/2120/3/_/651892/_/953747250/ ------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Talk to your friends online with Messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2000 Report Share Posted March 25, 2000 Hey, Not trying to be an arsehole or anything, but if you want to fuck some shit up, don't talk about it here ... call me!! *LOL* I am just kidding ... Vik has resigned from trying to fuck shit up! Later. Vikas Sharma of Operations & Media Carnival Management Web: http://www3.sympatico.ca/carnival Email: carnival Phone 416. INFO [info] Saturday, March 25, 2000 4:28 PM RE: action!!! " INFO " <info i say let's fuck some shit up! any toronto inhabitants want to get together and do some direct actions? respond to fly Alyssa [alyssa71] Saturday, March 25, 2000 4:18 PM Re: action!!! Alyssa <alyssa71 Maybe action can be from your computer. Like going to this site http://www.angelfire.com/la2/TRapper/ and letting them know what you think. Alyssa Robert Bailey <kirstie wrote: Robert Bailey hi everyone; i just had an idea....we need to take action.I just recently had a conversation with my shrink(ya gotta get one-it's awesome!) and i was venting my frustration about the 'plight of the animals',i.e. how completely worked up i get about the state of this fucking planet and all the crap that's going on....i get to the point where i don't want to live here anymore!!! i'm sure you can all relate. i feel really frustrated and helpless and lose hope that anything can be done to stop all the suffering of innocent animals. anyway, he gave me simple but solid advice... first of all he told me that part of my frustration is 'displacement'-i.e. when you have stressfull crap going on in your life that you are not dealing directly with, you can become overly obsessed or overly upset with another issue. He wasn't implying that animal rights is not something to get worked up about in it's own right, just that when it causes such strong, painful, obsessive emotions it can be related to other unrelated stuff in your life.i have a few big issues in my life right now that i am afraid to deal with so i am displacing my feelings and frustrations onto other issues. anyway that's not really that point of this message, just a tidbit that may help some of you understand your feelings a little better, if you are like me... my shrink also informed me that all the worrying in the world will not change anything!! he's right... he suggested taking action, instead of just venting or obsessing. which is why i am writing this message... i want to propose that we set aside a specific day each week to take direct action...now, i do believe that it shouldn't be necessarily limited to only one day per week-not at all, but having this day would guarantee that we all did something AT LEAST once a week. it could be major things like demonstrations or protests, or just little things like writing letters to companies or even just giving constuctive information to an uninformed omnivore friend. i think that we would all feel better if we were doing something to spread our message and change something about this fucked up society! we can pick an 'action day', commit to it, and report our efforts on planet vegan! cool? let me know what you guys think, and if you like it, pick a day when you would be able to make the time to take action.... i vote for thursday also, the cool thing is that we don't even need to all agree on this...it'll work for some and not for others, but that's ok, because the objective is to increase direct action, and i believe that ANY increase is a very positive thing! sorry this is sooooo long...i have a bit of a problem with going on and on and on and on.............................. bobby ------ DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click./1/2120/3/_/651892/_/953747250/ ------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Talk to your friends online with Messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2000 Report Share Posted March 26, 2000 > Say let's fuck some shit up! Could you be a little more specific? Literal translation makes no sense. Common usage of these terms could make them mean anything! I'm unclear on the concept. CarolT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 ya i guess emailing isn't the best way to be planning illegal activities of all shapes and sizes but talking about it isn't a crime is it? i'm just tried of discussing the state of this universe and feel direct action would be of more use...phone number? let's talk...fly Vikas Sharma [carnival] Saturday, March 25, 2000 6:02 PM RE: action!!! " Vikas Sharma " <carnival Hey, Not trying to be an arsehole or anything, but if you want to fuck some shit up, don't talk about it here ... call me!! *LOL* I am just kidding ... Vik has resigned from trying to fuck shit up! Later. Vikas Sharma of Operations & Media Carnival Management Web: http://www3.sympatico.ca/carnival Email: carnival Phone 416. INFO [info] Saturday, March 25, 2000 4:28 PM RE: action!!! " INFO " <info i say let's fuck some shit up! any toronto inhabitants want to get together and do some direct actions? respond to fly Alyssa [alyssa71] Saturday, March 25, 2000 4:18 PM Re: action!!! Alyssa <alyssa71 Maybe action can be from your computer. Like going to this site http://www.angelfire.com/la2/TRapper/ and letting them know what you think. Alyssa Robert Bailey <kirstie wrote: Robert Bailey hi everyone; i just had an idea....we need to take action.I just recently had a conversation with my shrink(ya gotta get one-it's awesome!) and i was venting my frustration about the 'plight of the animals',i.e. how completely worked up i get about the state of this fucking planet and all the crap that's going on....i get to the point where i don't want to live here anymore!!! i'm sure you can all relate. i feel really frustrated and helpless and lose hope that anything can be done to stop all the suffering of innocent animals. anyway, he gave me simple but solid advice... first of all he told me that part of my frustration is 'displacement'-i.e. when you have stressfull crap going on in your life that you are not dealing directly with, you can become overly obsessed or overly upset with another issue. He wasn't implying that animal rights is not something to get worked up about in it's own right, just that when it causes such strong, painful, obsessive emotions it can be related to other unrelated stuff in your life.i have a few big issues in my life right now that i am afraid to deal with so i am displacing my feelings and frustrations onto other issues. anyway that's not really that point of this message, just a tidbit that may help some of you understand your feelings a little better, if you are like me... my shrink also informed me that all the worrying in the world will not change anything!! he's right... he suggested taking action, instead of just venting or obsessing. which is why i am writing this message... i want to propose that we set aside a specific day each week to take direct action...now, i do believe that it shouldn't be necessarily limited to only one day per week-not at all, but having this day would guarantee that we all did something AT LEAST once a week. it could be major things like demonstrations or protests, or just little things like writing letters to companies or even just giving constuctive information to an uninformed omnivore friend. i think that we would all feel better if we were doing something to spread our message and change something about this fucked up society! we can pick an 'action day', commit to it, and report our efforts on planet vegan! cool? let me know what you guys think, and if you like it, pick a day when you would be able to make the time to take action.... i vote for thursday also, the cool thing is that we don't even need to all agree on this...it'll work for some and not for others, but that's ok, because the objective is to increase direct action, and i believe that ANY increase is a very positive thing! sorry this is sooooo long...i have a bit of a problem with going on and on and on and on.............................. bobby ------ DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click./1/2120/3/_/651892/_/953747250/ ------ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/ Talk to your friends online with Messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2000 Report Share Posted March 28, 2000 > " Vikas Sharma " <carnival > > I have forever been frowned upon because I don't see the crime in breaking > the windows of a fur store until it goes out of business. > Dear Vik Thanks for sharing your philosophy, lots of which I agree with. I guess working towards AR on your own cuts out in-fighting, though I have to say that for myself I am glad to have become part of a local group (law-abiding) which fund-raises, protests, distributes leaflets, writes letters etc, purely because I was finding my beliefs very isolating. Until I joined this group I only knew one other vegan personally, now I know several and it has helped to reduce my self-doubt on the cruelty-free food issue. I guess it's a case of " whatever works for you " . I have to say though, if an issue arose on which the group and I disagreed, I would simply protest on my own, so I will not be shackled by others' morality sets. As for breaking the windows of a fur store, well I've never done it and I can't imagine that I ever will, but I can't find it in my heart to condemn those who do. I am constantly amazed by a society which categorises the slaughter of animals for fur as legitimate business and the breaking of their windows as a crime. To me that's like prosecuting someone for grabbing the arm of a person who's about to hit a child with an iron bar - insane. Anyway, thanks again for the input, it's always interesting to hear other people's philosophies. Cheers Cathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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