Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 In a message dated 4/7/00 7:37:21 AM Mountain Daylight Time, linda.evans writes: << It is more healthy, but more expensive? >> ************************** I have a feeling she is referring to the products we have to buy when it is that time of the month. Holiday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 >i also >stopped menstruating for a few months as my body readjusted. The opposite happened to me. My diet was VERY bad and heavy in dairy, chocolate etc. I used to menstruate infrequently- every 3-6 months for 10 days or more but only a couple months after becoming vegan I now get regular cycles every month and they only last 4-5 days. It's a bit more expensive but I guess it means I'm healthy. AV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 I had the same experience as AV. It is more healthy, but more expensive? (Sorry to the men on the list who don't want to hear about menstration.) At 11:09 PM 4/7/00 +1000, you wrote: >>i also >>stopped menstruating for a few months as my body readjusted. > >The opposite happened to me. My diet was VERY bad and heavy in dairy, >chocolate etc. I used to menstruate infrequently- every 3-6 months for 10 >days or more but only a couple months after becoming vegan I now get regular >cycles every month and they only last 4-5 days. It's a bit more expensive >but I guess it means I'm healthy. > >AV > > >------ >LOW RATE, NO WAIT! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates >as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click./1/2122/3/_/651892/_/955112971/ >------ > > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > > " The value of a society is based upon its kindness to animals. " -- Albert Schweitzer " The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " ---Gandhi " While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can we expect any ideal conditions on this earth? " George Bernard Shaw (playwright, Nobel 1925) Even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath, so that a man hath no pre-eminence above a beast. Ecclesiastes 3:19 (The Bible) " Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. " Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 Hey, I don't mind a little biology talk. In fact, I'm very curious as to what you all think the cause of the change is. It would be interesting if we found a common occurrence that isn't otherwise well documented; I mean, I haven't heard much about menstrual changes when adopting a vegan diet, but then again, who'd bother to tell me? Anji was thinking about doing a poll on some vegan topics, and maybe changes in menstruation should be included as well as other noticeable change. Do you think the change in menstruation patterns was due to detoxification, energy consumption, hormonal balance interruption or digestion adjustment? It's pretty clear that animal hormones can affect us, otherwise why would the growth hormone DES (recently found in U.S. beef exported to Switzerland) be carcinogenic? The idea, I believe, is that the growth hormone promotes uncontrolled cell reproduction which become cancerous tumors. Is it conceivable that the adrenaline in meat, or the estrogen in eggs, and other things in those and dairy products affect your bodies' hormone balance? Anyone know or have some intuition about their bodies? I want to get a hold of the China study. I'll bet there's relative information there. I'm no doctor or biologist, so don't take what I say as any kind of authority, but I'll try to assemble some research information and share it with the group since I'm sure some of you are interested. ciao, Anthony Linda Evans wrote: > > I had the same experience as AV. It is more healthy, but more expensive? > > (Sorry to the men on the list who don't want to hear about menstration.) > > At 11:09 PM 4/7/00 +1000, you wrote: > >>i also > >>stopped menstruating for a few months as my body readjusted. > > > >The opposite happened to me. My diet was VERY bad and heavy in dairy, > >chocolate etc. I used to menstruate infrequently- every 3-6 months for 10 > >days or more but only a couple months after becoming vegan I now get regular > >cycles every month and they only last 4-5 days. It's a bit more expensive > >but I guess it means I'm healthy. > > > >AV > > > > > >------ > >LOW RATE, NO WAIT! > >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates > >as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > >Apply NOW! > >http://click./1/2122/3/_/651892/_/955112971/ > >------ > > > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > >Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/ > > > > > " The value of a society is based upon its kindness to animals. " -- Albert > Schweitzer > > " The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way > its animals are treated. " ---Gandhi > > " While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can we > expect any ideal conditions on this earth? " > George Bernard Shaw (playwright, Nobel 1925) > > Even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, > they have all one breath, so that a man hath no pre-eminence above a beast. > Ecclesiastes 3:19 (The Bible) > > " Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of > life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. " > Albert Einstein (1879-1955) > > ------ > LOW RATE, NO WAIT! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2122/3/_/651892/_/955114575/ > ------ > > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 In a message dated 4/7/00 11:58:35 AM Mountain Daylight Time, anthony writes: << What if a mild lactose intolerance (like an asymptomatic allergy) upsets the menstrual cycle among other things? >> ********** I have this, but I don't think it has ever interfered with it. BUMMER! I know that stress can and so can being underweight. Probably over weight too. Holiday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 In a message dated 4/7/00 2:04:21 PM Mountain Daylight Time, linda.evans writes: << I started using Glad Rags (let me know if you haven't heard of them) >> ************ I have never heard of these. Details please. I tell you the name just has to go! Holiday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 Hey I had another thought. What if a mild lactose intolerance (like an asymptomatic allergy) upsets the menstrual cycle among other things? Anyone ask a doctor about any of this? Now I'm just so curious, I have to know. This weekend, I might have some time to research. ciao, Ant Anthony W wrote: > Hey, I don't mind a little biology talk. In fact, I'm very curious as > to what you all think the cause of the change is. It would be > interesting if we found a common occurrence that isn't otherwise well > documented; I mean, I haven't heard much about menstrual changes when > adopting a vegan diet, but then again, who'd bother to tell me? Anji > was thinking about doing a poll on some vegan topics, and maybe changes > in menstruation should be included as well as other noticeable change. > > Do you think the change in menstruation patterns was due to > detoxification, energy consumption, hormonal balance interruption or > digestion adjustment? > > It's pretty clear that animal hormones can affect us, otherwise why > would the growth hormone DES (recently found in U.S. beef exported to > Switzerland) be carcinogenic? The idea, I believe, is that the growth > hormone promotes uncontrolled cell reproduction which become cancerous > tumors. Is it conceivable that the adrenaline in meat, or the estrogen > in eggs, and other things in those and dairy products affect your > bodies' hormone balance? Anyone know or have some intuition about their > bodies? I want to get a hold of the China study. I'll bet there's > relative information there. > > I'm no doctor or biologist, so don't take what I say as any kind of > authority, but I'll try to assemble some research information and share > it with the group since I'm sure some of you are interested. > > ciao, > Anthony > > Linda Evans wrote: > > > > I had the same experience as AV. It is more healthy, but more expensive? > > > > (Sorry to the men on the list who don't want to hear about menstration.) > > > > At 11:09 PM 4/7/00 +1000, you wrote: > > >>i also > > >>stopped menstruating for a few months as my body readjusted. > > > > > >The opposite happened to me. My diet was VERY bad and heavy in dairy, > > >chocolate etc. I used to menstruate infrequently- every 3-6 months for 10 > > >days or more but only a couple months after becoming vegan I now get regular > > >cycles every month and they only last 4-5 days. It's a bit more expensive > > >but I guess it means I'm healthy. > > > > > >AV > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 You can save money and also the environment by using washable pads -Belle ----Original Message Follows---- The Duncans <duncan <<It's a bit more expensive but I guess it means I'm healthy. AV>> ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 At 11:22 AM 4/7/00 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/7/00 7:37:21 AM Mountain Daylight Time, >linda.evans writes: > ><< It is more healthy, but more expensive? > >> >************************** >I have a feeling she is referring to the products we have to buy when it is >that time of the month. >Holiday That is what I figured too. I started using Glad Rags (let me know if you haven't heard of them) after giving birth to my son. I used organic tampons before, but I couldn't use tampons at this time (obvious reasons) and I was bleeding a lot for several weeks. I decided it was time to try a more environmentally friendly option than pads. I really like the Glad Rags and they are a one time investment...much cheaper than the alternatives...more comfortable too. > >------ >LOW RATE, NO WAIT! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates >as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Learn more at: >http://click./1/937/3/_/651892/_/955120975/ >------ > > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > > " The value of a society is based upon its kindness to animals. " -- Albert Schweitzer " The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " ---Gandhi " While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can we expect any ideal conditions on this earth? " George Bernard Shaw (playwright, Nobel 1925) Even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath, so that a man hath no pre-eminence above a beast. Ecclesiastes 3:19 (The Bible) " Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. " Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2000 Report Share Posted April 7, 2000 In a message dated 4/7/2000 7:40:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, anthony writes: << Do you think the change in menstruation patterns was due to detoxification, energy consumption, hormonal balance interruption or digestion adjustment? >> On a related note, I know I read somewhere that women are beginning their menstruation cycles much earlier in age now because of the hormones they are eating in their meat-based diet... the hormones given to the milk cows and slaughter animals are being passed on to the omnivores, much as antibiotic resistance is occuring in humans because they are eating meat and dairy which has been treated with so many antibiotics... Anyone else read this? Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2000 Report Share Posted April 8, 2000 calicokten <<On a related note, I know I read somewhere that women are beginning their menstruation cycles much earlier in age now because of the hormones they are eating in their meat-based diet... Anyone else read this? Carol>> Yep, I've heard that so many times. It's so obvious it's impossible to deny. Before there was this mass " production " of animals for slaughter animals didn't have so much extra hormone(s) and women used to get their periods when they were 16-17. Generation by generation girls are getting younger and younger when they get their periods. My 9-yr-old twin cousins (who by the way love chicken) are already menstruating. that's almost 10 eyars earlier than 3 generations ago. It's really scary. I also found a text in a book about this subject but the author only mentions milk. -Belle ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2000 Report Share Posted April 8, 2000 At 10:11 PM 4/7/00 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/7/2000 7:40:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >anthony writes: > ><< Do you think the change in menstruation patterns was due to > detoxification, energy consumption, hormonal balance interruption or > digestion adjustment? >> > >On a related note, I know I read somewhere that women are beginning their >menstruation cycles much earlier in age now because of the hormones they are >eating in their meat-based diet... the hormones given to the milk cows and >slaughter animals are being passed on to the omnivores, much as antibiotic >resistance is occuring in humans because they are eating meat and dairy which >has been treated with so many antibiotics... >Anyone else read this? >Carol I read this too. I think in several places, but I know it was in the last EarthSave mailing I received. PCRM might have some info on this subject too. They have info on everything. I know I started at 11, but girls are starting even earlier. I heard from a doctor (on NPR) that it is not uncommon for boys and girls to start the first stages of puberty at eight or nine!!!! Scary! Linda " The value of a society is based upon its kindness to animals. " -- Albert Schweitzer " The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " ---Gandhi " While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can we expect any ideal conditions on this earth? " George Bernard Shaw (playwright, Nobel 1925) Even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath, so that a man hath no pre-eminence above a beast. Ecclesiastes 3:19 (The Bible) " Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. " Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 > On a related note, I know I read somewhere that women are beginning > their > menstruation cycles much earlier in age now because of the hormones > they are > eating in their meat-based diet... the hormones given to the milk > cows and > slaughter animals are being passed on to the omnivores, much as > antibiotic > resistance is occurring in humans because they are eating meat and > dairy which > has been treated with so many antibiotics... > Anyone else read this? > Carol > I haven't read that, but I was thinking about this topic yesterday. My daughter was asking about menstruation and such again, and I was explaining that even though 14 and 15 year old girls (and even older) aren't really ready to have children, the body is getting ready for it. I was wondering if maybe all these years (centuries?) of meat eating (cause we know the meat has it's own hormones without the added ones from farmers) if that hasn't affected women and that's why girls start their periods. I mean even the medical profession knows that teenagers aren't really physically ready to procreate, yet they are capable of doing it. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Ladies, I, too had issues with this at one time. The scriptures you're referring to are in the book of Leviticus, (Old Testament), chapter 12 verse 2 & chapter 15 verses19-31. Long story short, women were considered ceremonially defiled during menstruation: monthly and after childbirth. "Ceremonially defiled" meant "not appropriate to make sacrifice." (They would make animal sacrifices as guilt or peace offerings.) ---You see, the women weren't considered dirty or sinful. It's just that anything having to do with sex, or better yet, the reproductive organs, needed to be seperated when it came time to worshipping God. This included women who had just had babies, women on their periods, and women after having sex with their husbands. Why so restrictive?---Because at this point in time, it's safe to say that anyone that wasn't one of God's people was worshipping man-made idols, sacrificing humans, or both. Furthermore, when these other people worshipped their god/s and/or goddess/es, prostitution and fertility rites were a part of their ritual. God saw this, and wanted His people to be seperate from it, and anything that resembled it. Once again, this doesn't mean God views sex, childbirth, or menstruation as unclean; it's just that every activity has its appropriate, and inappropriate, time and place in God's eyes, when it comes to worship. By the way, also in chapter 15, verses 1-18 are all dedicated to saying that the MAN is considered ceremonially defiled if he has genital discharge, and so is everything he touches. He must wash himself, and his clothes for several days. The man is also considered ceremonially defiled after having sex. I'm not asking you to agree with any of this, only to understand. *This message was brought to you by: Amy >"Catherine Harris" > > >Re: all this god stuff............ >Sat, 10 May 2003 23:44:00 +0000 > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* hi jo, i agree with you saying you were put off christianity when you came across the issue of menstruation being considered a stigma......... apparently theirs a senior bishop in london who will not have women near him at the altar because of that very reason pengam woods is in south wales.............up from cardiff catherine >"Heartwork" > > >Re: all this god stuff............ >Sat, 10 May 2003 18:51:21 +0100 > >Hi Catherine > >Where is Pengam woods? I love woods - I don't go naked though - don't want to frighten the wildlife. > >Jo > all this god stuff........prove there is a god.........and that he is male?....... > personally, i feel more pagan than anything.........in touch with the earth, the stars, the ocean, plants, flowers........ > > naked in pengam woods under the moonlite, flowers in hair, song in throat........ > > > > praisning and blessing everything free and sacred ...... > > > > love to you all > > catherine xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > >swpgh01 > > > > , > >Re: Would you? Could you? Should you? > >Tue, 6 May 2003 14:52:53 GMT+01:00 > > > > > >This is turning into bible class....can we please have more from the fairies! > >Pete H > >AKA The valley vegan. > > > interpretation > > >the bible is full of contradictions... > > >in genesis it sez "all the plants and nuts will be as your meat"(i'm > > >paraphrasing.), and a few other places veggieness is definately touted(its a > > >very essene thought).. > > >its in places like after the flood that god allows noah to eat animals..... > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 5/5/03 12:07:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > >janewwt writes: > > > > > > I'm not a Christian so maybe I'm missing the point. But the > > > argument that I get from Christians supporting meat eating is that the > > > big-man upstairs put animals on the earth for humans use (inc eating). Is > > > there a passage in the bible that explicitly states this, or, is it down to > > > subjective interpretation? Is it that this passage only refers to seeds > > > because 'he' hadn't got around to creating other animals yet? Sorry for > > > asking possibly v. naive questions, but I want to be fully prepared for my > > > next 'lively debate' with my brother who happens to be a Christian > > > meat-eater (interesting how siblings can be so different). > > > I'll certainly look at the web-site you suggested, > > > > > > > > > >Peter H > > > >-------------------- > >talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > > > > > > Want your email in a hurry? Get Hotmail direct to your mobile > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 yes, but only women would be excluded........men could have had sex with 10 women etc, and still be acceptable catherine >"Amylia F" > > >Re: Menstruation >Sat, 10 May 2003 18:39:42 -0700 > ><< message3.txt >> Express yourself with cool emoticons. Get MSN Messenger today. Ladies, I, too had issues with this at one time. The scriptures you're referring to are in the book of Leviticus, (Old Testament), chapter 12 verse 2 & chapter 15 verses19-31. Long story short, women were considered ceremonially defiled during menstruation: monthly and after childbirth. "Ceremonially defiled" meant "not appropriate to make sacrifice." (They would make animal sacrifices as guilt or peace offerings.) ---You see, the women weren't considered dirty or sinful. It's just that anything having to do with sex, or better yet, the reproductive organs, needed to be seperated when it came time to worshipping God. This included women who had just had babies, women on their periods, and women after having sex with their husbands. Why so restrictive?---Because at this point in time, it's safe to say that anyone that wasn't one of God's people was worshipping man-made idols, sacrificing humans, or both. Furthermore, when these other people worshipped their god/s and/or goddess/es, prostitution and fertility rites were a part of their ritual. God saw this, and wanted His people to be seperate from it, and anything that resembled it. Once again, this doesn't mean God views sex, childbirth, or menstruation as unclean; it's just that every activity has its appropriate, and inappropriate, time and place in God's eyes, when it comes to worship. By the way, also in chapter 15, verses 1-18 are all dedicated to saying that the MAN is considered ceremonially defiled if he has genital discharge, and so is everything he touches. He must wash himself, and his clothes for several days. The man is also considered ceremonially defiled after having sex. I'm not asking you to agree with any of this, only to understand. *This message was brought to you by: Amy >"Catherine Harris" > > >Re: all this god stuff............ >Sat, 10 May 2003 23:44:00 +0000 > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 My views are that if God didn't like people having sex and menstruating he should have made them without genitals. What else would they be there for. I think the reasons these rules were written into the texts was because some of the people in power had serious hangups concerning sex and wanted to control other people. I much prefer the Pagan feelings regarding all things natural. Jo I, too had issues with this at one time. The scriptures you're referring to are in the book of Leviticus, (Old Testament), chapter 12 verse 2 & chapter 15 verses19-31. Long story short, women were considered ceremonially defiled during menstruation: monthly and after childbirth. "Ceremonially defiled" meant "not appropriate to make sacrifice." (They would make animal sacrifices as guilt or peace offerings.) ---You see, the women weren't considered dirty or sinful. It's just that anything having to do with sex, or better yet, the reproductive organs, needed to be seperated when it came time to worshipping God. This included women who had just had babies, women on their periods, and women after having sex with their husbands. Why so restrictive?---Because at this point in time, it's safe to say that anyone that wasn't one of God's people was worshipping man-made idols, sacrificing humans, or both. Furthermore, when these other people worshipped their god/s and/or goddess/es, prostitution and fertility rites were a part of their ritual. God saw this, and wanted His people to be seperate from it, and anything that resembled it. Once again, this doesn't mean God views sex, childbirth, or menstruation as unclean; it's just that every activity has its appropriate, and inappropriate, time and place in God's eyes, when it comes to worship. By the way, also in chapter 15, verses 1-18 are all dedicated to saying that the MAN is considered ceremonially defiled if he has genital discharge, and so is everything he touches. He must wash himself, and his clothes for several days. The man is also considered ceremonially defiled after having sex. I'm not asking you to agree with any of this, only to understand. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Jo, As I mentioned earlier, God doesn't dislike sex or menstruation. He designed the bodies to fuction as such. If you don't believe me, read anywhere in the book Song of Solomon, it's in the Old Testament. It's full of sex, sensuality, romance, and passion. *This message was brought to you by: Amy >"Heartwork" > > >Re: Menstruation >Sun, 11 May 2003 17:41:25 +0100 > >My views are that if God didn't like people having sex and menstruating he should have made them without genitals. What else would they be there for. I think the reasons these rules were written into the texts was because some of the people in power had serious hangups concerning sex and wanted to control other people. > >I much prefer the Pagan feelings regarding all things natural. > >Jo > I, too had issues with this at one time. The scriptures you're referring to are in the book of Leviticus, (Old Testament), chapter 12 verse 2 & chapter 15 verses19-31. > Long story short, women were considered ceremonially defiled during menstruation: monthly and after childbirth. "Ceremonially defiled" meant "not appropriate to make sacrifice." (They would make animal sacrifices as guilt or peace offerings.) ---You see, the women weren't considered dirty or sinful. It's just that anything having to do with sex, or better yet, the reproductive organs, needed to be seperated when it came time to worshipping God. This included women who had just had babies, women on their periods, and women after having sex with their husbands. > > Why so restrictive?---Because at this point in time, it's safe to say that anyone that wasn't one of God's people was worshipping man-made idols, sacrificing humans, or both. Furthermore, when these other people worshipped their god/s and/or goddess/es, prostitution and fertility rites were a part of their ritual. God saw this, and wanted His people to be seperate from it, and anything that resembled it. > > Once again, this doesn't mean God views sex, childbirth, or menstruation as unclean; it's just that every activity has its appropriate, and inappropriate, time and place in God's eyes, when it comes to worship. > > By the way, also in chapter 15, verses 1-18 are all dedicated to saying that the MAN is considered ceremonially defiled if he has genital discharge, and so is everything he touches. He must wash himself, and his clothes for several days. The man is also considered ceremonially defiled after having sex. I'm not asking you to agree with any of this, only to understand. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 So presumably Christians realise that designating menstruating women as 'unclean' is a man-made stipulation. Jo - Amylia F Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:43 PM Re: Menstruation Jo, As I mentioned earlier, God doesn't dislike sex or menstruation. He designed the bodies to fuction as such. If you don't believe me, read anywhere in the book Song of Solomon, it's in the Old Testament. It's full of sex, sensuality, romance, and passion. *This message was brought to you by: Amy >"Heartwork" > > >Re: Menstruation >Sun, 11 May 2003 17:41:25 +0100 > >My views are that if God didn't like people having sex and menstruating he should have made them without genitals. What else would they be there for. I think the reasons these rules were written into the texts was because some of the people in power had serious hangups concerning sex and wanted to control other people. > >I much prefer the Pagan feelings regarding all things natural. > >Jo > I, too had issues with this at one time. The scriptures you're referring to are in the book of Leviticus, (Old Testament), chapter 12 verse 2 & chapter 15 verses19-31. > Long story short, women were considered ceremonially defiled during menstruation: monthly and after childbirth. "Ceremonially defiled" meant "not appropriate to make sacrifice." (They would make animal sacrifices as guilt or peace offerings.) ---You see, the women weren't considered dirty or sinful. It's just that anything having to do with sex, or better yet, the reproductive organs, needed to be seperated when it came time to worshipping God. This included women who had just had babies, women on their periods, and women after having sex with their husbands. > > Why so restrictive?---Because at this point in time, it's safe to say that anyone that wasn't one of God's people was worshipping man-made idols, sacrificing humans, or both. Furthermore, when these other people worshipped their god/s and/or goddess/es, prostitution and fertility rites were a part of their ritual. God saw this, and wanted His people to be seperate from it, and anything that resembled it. > > Once again, this doesn't mean God views sex, childbirth, or menstruation as unclean; it's just that every activity has its appropriate, and inappropriate, time and place in God's eyes, when it comes to worship. > > By the way, also in chapter 15, verses 1-18 are all dedicated to saying that the MAN is considered ceremonially defiled if he has genital discharge, and so is everything he touches. He must wash himself, and his clothes for several days. The man is also considered ceremonially defiled after having sex. I'm not asking you to agree with any of this, only to understand. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Jo, I'll say this, it was a commandment from God, that was carried-out by His people. As for Christians, the subject doesn't come up too much these days. (I'll admit it and say it's a taboo topic.)---But I guess it's a personal preference. As far as I know, no Christian woman I have ever heard of isn't allowed to go to church, or even sleep with her husband if she wants to when menstruating. However, some Christians feel a menstruating woman should not sleep with her husband,--at least not in the "typical fashion." Still, the Bible does not specifically say a husband and wife cannot sleep together during her time of the month. (It's not a sin, in other words.) **My apologies to anyone who feels I've been a bit graphic. *This message was brought to you by: Amy >"Heartwork" > > >Re: Menstruation >Sun, 11 May 2003 23:02:44 +0100 > >So presumably Christians realise that designating menstruating women as 'unclean' is a man-made stipulation. > >Jo > - > Amylia F > > Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:43 PM > Re: Menstruation > > > Jo, > > As I mentioned earlier, God doesn't dislike sex or menstruation. He designed the bodies to fuction as such. If you don't believe me, read anywhere in the book Song of Solomon, it's in the Old Testament. It's full of sex, sensuality, romance, and passion. > > > > > > > > *This message was brought to you by: Amy > >"Heartwork" > > > >> >Re: Menstruation > >Sun, 11 May 2003 17:41:25 +0100 > > > >My views are that if God didn't like people having sex and menstruating he should have made them without genitals. What else would they be there for. I think the reasons these rules were written into the texts was because some of the people in power had serious hangups concerning sex and wanted to control other people. > > > >I much prefer the Pagan feelings regarding all things natural. > > > >Jo > > I, too had issues with this at one time. The scriptures you're referring to are in the book of Leviticus, (Old Testament), chapter 12 verse 2 & chapter 15 verses19-31. > > Long story short, women were considered ceremonially defiled during menstruation: monthly and after childbirth. "Ceremonially defiled" meant "not appropriate to make sacrifice." (They would make animal sacrifices as guilt or peace offerings.) ---You see, the women weren't considered dirty or sinful. It's just that anything having to do with sex, or better yet, the reproductive organs, needed to be seperated when it came time to worshipping God. This included women who had just had babies, women on their periods, and women after having sex with their husbands. > > > > Why so restrictive?---Because at this point in time, it's safe to say that anyone that wasn't one of God's people was worshipping man-made idols, sacrificing humans, or both. Furthermore, when these other people worshipped their god/s and/or goddess/es, prostitution and fertility rites were a part of their ritual. God saw this, and wanted His people to be seperate from it, and anything that resembled it. > > > > Once again, this doesn't mean God views sex, childbirth, or menstruation as unclean; it's just that every activity has its appropriate, and inappropriate, time and place in God's eyes, when it comes to worship. > > > > By the way, also in chapter 15, verses 1-18 are all dedicated to saying that the MAN is considered ceremonially defiled if he has genital discharge, and so is everything he touches. He must wash himself, and his clothes for several days. The man is also considered ceremonially defiled after having sex. I'm not asking you to agree with any of this, only to understand. > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 > > > > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 hi amy, no, you have not been too graphic...........in the church of england a woman after giving birth has to go to a special ceremony called churching, about a month after the birth, to be cleansed...until then she cannot go to church...... catherine >"Amylia F" > > >Re: Menstruation >Sun, 11 May 2003 15:17:04 -0700 > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. More info here. Jo, I'll say this, it was a commandment from God, that was carried-out by His people. As for Christians, the subject doesn't come up too much these days. (I'll admit it and say it's a taboo topic.)---But I guess it's a personal preference. As far as I know, no Christian woman I have ever heard of isn't allowed to go to church, or even sleep with her husband if she wants to when menstruating. However, some Christians feel a menstruating woman should not sleep with her husband,--at least not in the "typical fashion." Still, the Bible does not specifically say a husband and wife cannot sleep together during her time of the month. (It's not a sin, in other words.) **My apologies to anyone who feels I've been a bit graphic. *This message was brought to you by: Amy >"Heartwork" > > >Re: Menstruation >Sun, 11 May 2003 23:02:44 +0100 > >So presumably Christians realise that designating menstruating women as 'unclean' is a man-made stipulation. > >Jo > - > Amylia F > > Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:43 PM > Re: Menstruation > > > Jo, > > As I mentioned earlier, God doesn't dislike sex or menstruation. He designed the bodies to fuction as such. If you don't believe me, read anywhere in the book Song of Solomon, it's in the Old Testament. It's full of sex, sensuality, romance, and passion. > > > > > > > > *This message was brought to you by: Amy > >"Heartwork" > > > >> >Re: Menstruation > >Sun, 11 May 2003 17:41:25 +0100 > > > >My views are that if God didn't like people having sex and menstruating he should have made them without genitals. What else would they be there for. I think the reasons these rules were written into the texts was because some of the people in power had serious hangups concerning sex and wanted to control other people. > > > >I much prefer the Pagan feelings regarding all things natural. > > > >Jo > > I, too had issues with this at one time. The scriptures you're referring to are in the book of Leviticus, (Old Testament), chapter 12 verse 2 & chapter 15 verses19-31. > > Long story short, women were considered ceremonially defiled during menstruation: monthly and after childbirth. "Ceremonially defiled" meant "not appropriate to make sacrifice." (They would make animal sacrifices as guilt or peace offerings.) ---You see, the women weren't considered dirty or sinful. It's just that anything having to do with sex, or better yet, the reproductive organs, needed to be seperated when it came time to worshipping God. This included women who had just had babies, women on their periods, and women after having sex with their husbands. > > > > Why so restrictive?---Because at this point in time, it's safe to say that anyone that wasn't one of God's people was worshipping man-made idols, sacrificing humans, or both. Furthermore, when these other people worshipped their god/s and/or goddess/es, prostitution and fertility rites were a part of their ritual. God saw this, and wanted His people to be seperate from it, and anything that resembled it. > > > > Once again, this doesn't mean God views sex, childbirth, or menstruation as unclean; it's just that every activity has its appropriate, and inappropriate, time and place in God's eyes, when it comes to worship. > > > > By the way, also in chapter 15, verses 1-18 are all dedicated to saying that the MAN is considered ceremonially defiled if he has genital discharge, and so is everything he touches. He must wash himself, and his clothes for several days. The man is also considered ceremonially defiled after having sex. I'm not asking you to agree with any of this, only to understand. > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 > > > > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Yeah, I would say so. I just thought of Gloria Steinem's hilarious essay, " If Men Could Menstruate. " If you haven't read it, you must; it is an absolute scream! Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Re: Menstruation Sun, 11 May 2003 23:02:44 +0100 So presumably Christians realise that designating menstruating women as 'unclean' is a man-made stipulation. Jo - Amylia F Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:43 PM Re: Menstruation Jo, As I mentioned earlier, God doesn't dislike sex or menstruation. He designed the bodies to fuction as such. If you don't believe me, read anywhere in the book Song of Solomon, it's in the Old Testament. It's full of sex, sensuality, romance, and passion. *This message was brought to you by: Amy > " Heartwork " > >To: >Re: Menstruation >Sun, 11 May 2003 17:41:25 +0100 > >My views are that if God didn't like people having sex and menstruating he should have made them without genitals. What else would they be there for. I think the reasons these rules were written into the texts was because some of the people in power had serious hangups concerning sex and wanted to control other people. > >I much prefer the Pagan feelings regarding all things natural. > >Jo > I, too had issues with this at one time. The scriptures you're referring to are in the book of Leviticus, (Old Testament), chapter 12 verse 2 & chapter 15 verses19-31. > Long story short, women were considered ceremonially defiled during menstruation: monthly and after childbirth. " Ceremonially defiled " meant " not appropriate to make sacrifice. " (They would make animal sacrifices as guilt or peace offerings.) ---You see, the women weren't considered dirty or sinful. It's just that anything having to do with sex, or better yet, the reproductive organs, needed to be seperated when it came time to worshipping God. This included women who had just had babies, women on their periods, and women after having sex with their husbands. > > Why so restrictive?---Because at this point in time, it's safe to say that anyone that wasn't one of God's people was worshipping man-made idols, sacrificing humans, or both. Furthermore, when these other people worshipped their god/s and/or goddess/es, prostitution and fertility rites were a part of their ritual. God saw this, and wanted His people to be seperate from it, and anything that resembled it. > > Once again, this doesn't mean God views sex, childbirth, or menstruation as unclean; it's just that every activity has its appropriate, and inappropriate, time and place in God's eyes, when it comes to worship. > > By the way, also in chapter 15, verses 1-18 are all dedicated to saying that the MAN is considered ceremonially defiled if he has genital discharge, and so is everything he touches. He must wash himself, and his clothes for several days. The man is also considered ceremonially defiled after having sex. I'm not asking you to agree with any of this, only to understand. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Hi Amylia > As I mentioned earlier, God doesn't dislike sex or menstruation. He designed the bodies to fuction as such. If you don't > believe me, read anywhere in the book Song of Solomon, it's in the Old Testament. It's full of sex, sensuality, romance, and > passion. Of course, the Song of Solomon is basically the Ancient Egyptian Hymn to Aten with the names changed to protect the innocent (or whatever) :-) BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 danielle, have you heard the one "war is menstrual envy" catherine lol >"Danielle Kichler" > > >Re: Menstruation >Sun, 11 May 2003 23:22:32 -0400 > >Yeah, I would say so. I just thought of Gloria Steinem's hilarious essay, >"If Men Could Menstruate." If you haven't read it, you must; it is an >absolute scream! > >Danielle > > > >"You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake"--Jeanette Rankin > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >"Heartwork" > > >Re: Menstruation >Sun, 11 May 2003 23:02:44 +0100 > >So presumably Christians realise that designating menstruating women as >'unclean' is a man-made stipulation. > >Jo > - > Amylia F > > Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:43 PM > Re: Menstruation > > > Jo, > > As I mentioned earlier, God doesn't dislike sex or menstruation. He >designed the bodies to fuction as such. If you don't believe me, read >anywhere in the book Song of Solomon, it's in the Old Testament. It's full >of sex, sensuality, romance, and passion. > > > > > > > > *This message was brought to you by: Amy > >"Heartwork" > > > >> >Re: Menstruation > >Sun, 11 May 2003 17:41:25 +0100 > > > >My views are that if God didn't like people having sex and menstruating >he should have made them without genitals. What else would they be there >for. I think the reasons these rules were written into the texts was because >some of the people in power had serious hangups concerning sex and wanted to >control other people. > > > >I much prefer the Pagan feelings regarding all things natural. > > > >Jo > > I, too had issues with this at one time. The scriptures you're >referring to are in the book of Leviticus, (Old Testament), chapter 12 verse >2 & chapter 15 verses19-31. > > Long story short, women were considered ceremonially defiled during >menstruation: monthly and after childbirth. "Ceremonially defiled" meant >"not appropriate to make sacrifice." (They would make animal sacrifices as >guilt or peace offerings.) ---You see, the women weren't considered dirty or >sinful. It's just that anything having to do with sex, or better yet, the >reproductive organs, needed to be seperated when it came time to worshipping >God. This included women who had just had babies, women on their periods, >and women after having sex with their husbands. > > > > Why so restrictive?---Because at this point in time, it's safe to say >that anyone that wasn't one of God's people was worshipping man-made idols, >sacrificing humans, or both. Furthermore, when these other people worshipped >their god/s and/or goddess/es, prostitution and fertility rites were a part >of their ritual. God saw this, and wanted His people to be seperate from it, >and anything that resembled it. > > > > Once again, this doesn't mean God views sex, childbirth, or >menstruation as unclean; it's just that every activity has its appropriate, >and inappropriate, time and place in God's eyes, when it comes to worship. > > > > By the way, also in chapter 15, verses 1-18 are all dedicated to saying >that the MAN is considered ceremonially defiled if he has genital discharge, >and so is everything he touches. He must wash himself, and his clothes for >several days. The man is also considered ceremonially defiled after having >sex. I'm not asking you to agree with any of this, only to understand. > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 > > > > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 I haven't, but I love it. Only women can bleed for three days without dying! Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " Catherine Harris " <cait2 Re: Menstruation Mon, 12 May 2003 22:46:20 +0000 _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus danielle, have you heard the one "war is menstrual envy" catherine lol >"Danielle Kichler" > > >Re: Menstruation >Sun, 11 May 2003 23:22:32 -0400 > >Yeah, I would say so. I just thought of Gloria Steinem's hilarious essay, >"If Men Could Menstruate." If you haven't read it, you must; it is an >absolute scream! > >Danielle > > > >"You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake"--Jeanette Rankin > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >"Heartwork" > > >Re: Menstruation >Sun, 11 May 2003 23:02:44 +0100 > >So presumably Christians realise that designating menstruating women as >'unclean' is a man-made stipulation. > >Jo > - > Amylia F > > Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:43 PM > Re: Menstruation > > > Jo, > > As I mentioned earlier, God doesn't dislike sex or menstruation. He >designed the bodies to fuction as such. If you don't believe me, read >anywhere in the book Song of Solomon, it's in the Old Testament. It's full >of sex, sensuality, romance, and passion. > > > > > > > > *This message was brought to you by: Amy > >"Heartwork" > > > >> >Re: Menstruation > >Sun, 11 May 2003 17:41:25 +0100 > > > >My views are that if God didn't like people having sex and menstruating >he should have made them without genitals. What else would they be there >for. I think the reasons these rules were written into the texts was because >some of the people in power had serious hangups concerning sex and wanted to >control other people. > > > >I much prefer the Pagan feelings regarding all things natural. > > > >Jo > > I, too had issues with this at one time. The scriptures you're >referring to are in the book of Leviticus, (Old Testament), chapter 12 verse >2 & chapter 15 verses19-31. > > Long story short, women were considered ceremonially defiled during >menstruation: monthly and after childbirth. "Ceremonially defiled" meant >"not appropriate to make sacrifice." (They would make animal sacrifices as >guilt or peace offerings.) ---You see, the women weren't considered dirty or >sinful. It's just that anything having to do with sex, or better yet, the >reproductive organs, needed to be seperated when it came time to worshipping >God. This included women who had just had babies, women on their periods, >and women after having sex with their husbands. > > > > Why so restrictive?---Because at this point in time, it's safe to say >that anyone that wasn't one of God's people was worshipping man-made idols, >sacrificing humans, or both. Furthermore, when these other people worshipped >their god/s and/or goddess/es, prostitution and fertility rites were a part >of their ritual. God saw this, and wanted His people to be seperate from it, >and anything that resembled it. > > > > Once again, this doesn't mean God views sex, childbirth, or >menstruation as unclean; it's just that every activity has its appropriate, >and inappropriate, time and place in God's eyes, when it comes to worship. > > > > By the way, also in chapter 15, verses 1-18 are all dedicated to saying >that the MAN is considered ceremonially defiled if he has genital discharge, >and so is everything he touches. He must wash himself, and his clothes for >several days. The man is also considered ceremonially defiled after having >sex. I'm not asking you to agree with any of this, only to understand. > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 > > > > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Hey, don't forget men have to deal with the effects of PMS too! Tom - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:22 PM Re: Menstruation > Yeah, I would say so. I just thought of Gloria Steinem's hilarious essay, > " If Men Could Menstruate. " If you haven't read it, you must; it is an > absolute scream! > > Danielle > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " Heartwork " <Heartwork > > > Re: Menstruation > Sun, 11 May 2003 23:02:44 +0100 > > So presumably Christians realise that designating menstruating women as > 'unclean' is a man-made stipulation. > > Jo > - > Amylia F > > Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:43 PM > Re: Menstruation > > > Jo, > > As I mentioned earlier, God doesn't dislike sex or menstruation. He > designed the bodies to fuction as such. If you don't believe me, read > anywhere in the book Song of Solomon, it's in the Old Testament. It's full > of sex, sensuality, romance, and passion. > *This message was brought to you by: Amy > > " Heartwork " > > > >To: > >Re: Menstruation > >Sun, 11 May 2003 17:41:25 +0100 > > > >My views are that if God didn't like people having sex and menstruating > he should have made them without genitals. What else would they be there > for. I think the reasons these rules were written into the texts was because > some of the people in power had serious hangups concerning sex and wanted to > control other people. > > > >I much prefer the Pagan feelings regarding all things natural. > > > >Jo > > I, too had issues with this at one time. The scriptures you're > referring to are in the book of Leviticus, (Old Testament), chapter 12 verse > 2 & chapter 15 verses19-31. > > Long story short, women were considered ceremonially defiled during > menstruation: monthly and after childbirth. " Ceremonially defiled " meant > " not appropriate to make sacrifice. " (They would make animal sacrifices as > guilt or peace offerings.) ---You see, the women weren't considered dirty or > sinful. It's just that anything having to do with sex, or better yet, the > reproductive organs, needed to be seperated when it came time to worshipping > God. This included women who had just had babies, women on their periods, > and women after having sex with their husbands. > > > > Why so restrictive?---Because at this point in time, it's safe to say > that anyone that wasn't one of God's people was worshipping man-made idols, > sacrificing humans, or both. Furthermore, when these other people worshipped > their god/s and/or goddess/es, prostitution and fertility rites were a part > of their ritual. God saw this, and wanted His people to be seperate from it, > and anything that resembled it. > > > > Once again, this doesn't mean God views sex, childbirth, or > menstruation as unclean; it's just that every activity has its appropriate, > and inappropriate, time and place in God's eyes, when it comes to worship. > > > > By the way, also in chapter 15, verses 1-18 are all dedicated to saying > that the MAN is considered ceremonially defiled if he has genital discharge, > and so is everything he touches. He must wash himself, and his clothes for > several days. The man is also considered ceremonially defiled after having > sex. I'm not asking you to agree with any of this, only to understand. > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 > > > > > -------- ---- > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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