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A line from the article: " Sure, the stuff may eventually kill

you, but then you're no worse off than with the " real " version. "

I think that line says it all.

 

What were your thoughts on it Sergio?

 

Deborah

 

 

 

 

It's article about vegan junk food:

http://vegnews.org/article.php?sid=9 & mode= & order=0 & thold=0

Your comments will be appreciated.

 

 

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2 things:

Fat is not the only reason vegan food is healthier. Actually, I've never

even considered fat content in my choice for going vegan. It's mostly

cholesterol, casein, hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, and carcinogens that

bother me. I really don't care about the fat.

Also, health is obviously not the only reason why people go vegan. Someone

who goes vegan for ethical reasons might not give a damn about their health.

I even know some vegetarian smokers.

-Belle

 

 

It's article about vegan junk food:

http://vegnews.org/article.php?sid=9 & mode= & order=0 & thold=0

Your comments will be appreciated.

 

 

 

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I agree, transfats are to be avoided and you should watch your intake of

saturated fats. However, the body does need a certain amount of fat to get

essential fatty acids necessary for good health. It's not healthy to cut out

ALL fats.

 

You're right Belle, I know vegans who smoke too. My initial reasons for

going vegan were health related, but I am really appreciating the education

I'm getting from these vegan lists about the cruelty towards animals. I'm

beginning to feel very different about flesh eating. I used to have major

cravings for flesh (meat), but originally dealt with them by eating

non-flesh protein which always made the cravings go away. The thought of

eating flesh isn't as attractive as it was just a month ago now that I

realize my craving for flesh was simply a craving for protein.

 

In case anyone is wondering, I recently decided to exchange the word " flesh "

for " meat " . I feel that the word " meat " is equal to using the words " passed

away " for " died " . It just doesn't seem as effective as saying " flesh " or

" flesh eater " . It brings to my mind visions of cannibals eating flesh to

stay " alive " . I feel it's a more effective & shocking view of eating

animals.

 

Rhonda

 

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Monday, May 28, 2001 4:13 PM

Re: Re: vegan junk food

 

 

> Hi Belle;

>

> If you are concerned about your health, I think it is a good idea

> to be aware of fat content even in vegan foods. Hydrogenated

> fats (also called transfats) are a BIGGIE to avoid. They have

> the same effect in the body as eating the saturated fat found in

> animal products. They raise cholesterol levels in the blood and

> also contribute to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL), a cancer of

> white blood cells. You can read about this on the PCRM site,

> www.pcrm.org. Just search for " hydrogenated " .

>

> Hydrogenated fats are made by bubbling hydrogen through plant

> oils which saturates and hardens them. It's still vegan but it

> sure is destructive to health.

>

> Wishing you health, happiness and prosperity...

>

> Deborah

>

>

> 2 things:

> Fat is not the only reason vegan food is healthier. Actually,

> I've never

> even considered fat content in my choice for going vegan. It's

> mostly

> cholesterol, casein, hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, and

> carcinogens that

> bother me. I really don't care about the fat.

> Also, health is obviously not the only reason why people go

> vegan. Someone

> who goes vegan for ethical reasons might not give a damn about

> their health.

> I even know some vegetarian smokers.

> -Belle

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Hi Belle;

 

If you are concerned about your health, I think it is a good idea

to be aware of fat content even in vegan foods. Hydrogenated

fats (also called transfats) are a BIGGIE to avoid. They have

the same effect in the body as eating the saturated fat found in

animal products. They raise cholesterol levels in the blood and

also contribute to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL), a cancer of

white blood cells. You can read about this on the PCRM site,

www.pcrm.org. Just search for " hydrogenated " .

 

Hydrogenated fats are made by bubbling hydrogen through plant

oils which saturates and hardens them. It's still vegan but it

sure is destructive to health.

 

Wishing you health, happiness and prosperity...

 

Deborah

 

 

2 things:

Fat is not the only reason vegan food is healthier. Actually,

I've never

even considered fat content in my choice for going vegan. It's

mostly

cholesterol, casein, hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, and

carcinogens that

bother me. I really don't care about the fat.

Also, health is obviously not the only reason why people go

vegan. Someone

who goes vegan for ethical reasons might not give a damn about

their health.

I even know some vegetarian smokers.

-Belle

 

 

It's article about vegan junk food:

http://vegnews.org/article.php?sid=9 & mode= & order=0 & thold=0

Your comments will be appreciated.

 

 

 

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Hello Isabelle,

 

Monday, May 28, 2001, 6:57:07 AM, you wrote:

 

IN> 2 things:

IN> Fat is not the only reason vegan food is healthier. Actually, I've never

IN> even considered fat content in my choice for going vegan. It's mostly

IN> cholesterol, casein, hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, and carcinogens that

IN> bother me. I really don't care about the fat.

IN> Also, health is obviously not the only reason why people go vegan. Someone

IN> who goes vegan for ethical reasons might not give a damn about their health.

IN> I even know some vegetarian smokers.

 

My reason also is not health, I'm more ethical reasoned :)

 

Can you please post your comment at the end of article at

http://vegnews.org ? So other people at vegnews will see it.

 

 

 

 

 

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I am aware of this. I was just saying you shouldn't try to cut out ALL fats

from your diet, as some try to do. They do it by avoiding any product that

has fat listed on the label. Since they don't list content of vegetables (as

least not where I live) not many people are aware that there is fat content

in plant foods. What they don't know will probably help them. *Smile*

 

Rhonda

 

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" While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can we

expect any ideal conditions on this earth? " --George Bernard Shaw

 

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" Deborah Pageau " <Deborah_Pageau

 

Monday, May 28, 2001 6:45 PM

Re: Re: vegan junk food

 

 

> Rhonda wrote:

> ...However, the body does need a certain amount of fat to get

> essential fatty acids necessary for good health. It's not healthy

> to cut out

> ALL fats.

>

> I agree Rhonda. What I am wondering though, is how one could

> actually do such a thing? As I understand it from the writings

> of Dr. John McDougall www.drmcdougall.com we get all the fat we

> need from low-fat plant foods. It seems that the problem really

> is getting too much rather than enough.

>

> According to McDougall, ideally 5% or less of our calories come

> from fat. All natural plant foods have fat in them, plenty for

> our needs, and of the right kind. For example, even brown rice

> has 5% fat, apples and broccoli are 9% fat, oatmeal is 16% fat.

> Getting enough fat is as easy as getting enough protein. Making

> an effort to " get enough " fat or protein is rather like worrying

> about someone who is drowning getting enough water.

>

> If one eats any of the naturally high-fat plant foods like tofu

> (50% fat), nuts or seeds(80% fat), avocado (90% fat), olives (98%

> fat) or oil (100% fat) it's pretty tough to keep the fat content

> of the diet down to ideal.

>

> According to McDougall and others, excess fat in the diet is the

> number one enemy of human health, and the second is excess

> protein. For anyone who is seriously interested in their own

> health, I really recommend reading his first work, The McDougall

> Plan which explains in detail the issues all based on referenced,

> main-stream research.

>

> Deborah

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Rhonda wrote:

....However, the body does need a certain amount of fat to get

essential fatty acids necessary for good health. It's not healthy

to cut out

ALL fats.

 

I agree Rhonda. What I am wondering though, is how one could

actually do such a thing? As I understand it from the writings

of Dr. John McDougall www.drmcdougall.com we get all the fat we

need from low-fat plant foods. It seems that the problem really

is getting too much rather than enough.

 

According to McDougall, ideally 5% or less of our calories come

from fat. All natural plant foods have fat in them, plenty for

our needs, and of the right kind. For example, even brown rice

has 5% fat, apples and broccoli are 9% fat, oatmeal is 16% fat.

Getting enough fat is as easy as getting enough protein. Making

an effort to " get enough " fat or protein is rather like worrying

about someone who is drowning getting enough water.

 

If one eats any of the naturally high-fat plant foods like tofu

(50% fat), nuts or seeds(80% fat), avocado (90% fat), olives (98%

fat) or oil (100% fat) it's pretty tough to keep the fat content

of the diet down to ideal.

 

According to McDougall and others, excess fat in the diet is the

number one enemy of human health, and the second is excess

protein. For anyone who is seriously interested in their own

health, I really recommend reading his first work, The McDougall

Plan which explains in detail the issues all based on referenced,

main-stream research.

 

Deborah

 

 

 

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Hi,

I'm aware that saturated fat is bad, but a vegan diet is low in saturated

fats anyway, unless you eat fried foods and margarine all the time. I read

this really interesting " Dr. Soleil " book, explaining how people should

follow their alimentary instincts, and I found this very helpful, compared

to just following a diet specified by someone. Each individual has very

different dietary neds. This book also has a guide for you to replace your

" cravings " with healthy foods, eg. sugar cravings with lots of water and a

high-carb healthy meal, chocolate with prunes, figs and other dried fuits,

salt with miso or shoyu, etc.

Sometimes I have fat cravings, yes, but I don't really mind those, because I

noticed that when I eat more fats such as nuts and olive oil, I feel better,

have more overall energy, and my skin looks A LOT better and feels smoother.

So I figured, why give up something if it makes me feel good?

Cheers,

-Belle

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