Guest guest Posted May 27, 2001 Report Share Posted May 27, 2001 It's article about vegan junk food: http://vegnews.org/article.php?sid=9 & mode= & order=0 & thold=0 Your comments will be appreciated. -------- Best regards, Sergio, CEO vegan http://www.royalwebhosting.com Royal Web Hosting - Royal Quality Hosting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2001 Report Share Posted May 27, 2001 A line from the article: " Sure, the stuff may eventually kill you, but then you're no worse off than with the " real " version. " I think that line says it all. What were your thoughts on it Sergio? Deborah It's article about vegan junk food: http://vegnews.org/article.php?sid=9 & mode= & order=0 & thold=0 Your comments will be appreciated. -------- Best regards, Sergio, CEO vegan http://www.royalwebhosting.com Royal Web Hosting - Royal Quality Hosting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 2 things: Fat is not the only reason vegan food is healthier. Actually, I've never even considered fat content in my choice for going vegan. It's mostly cholesterol, casein, hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, and carcinogens that bother me. I really don't care about the fat. Also, health is obviously not the only reason why people go vegan. Someone who goes vegan for ethical reasons might not give a damn about their health. I even know some vegetarian smokers. -Belle It's article about vegan junk food: http://vegnews.org/article.php?sid=9 & mode= & order=0 & thold=0 Your comments will be appreciated. _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 I agree, transfats are to be avoided and you should watch your intake of saturated fats. However, the body does need a certain amount of fat to get essential fatty acids necessary for good health. It's not healthy to cut out ALL fats. You're right Belle, I know vegans who smoke too. My initial reasons for going vegan were health related, but I am really appreciating the education I'm getting from these vegan lists about the cruelty towards animals. I'm beginning to feel very different about flesh eating. I used to have major cravings for flesh (meat), but originally dealt with them by eating non-flesh protein which always made the cravings go away. The thought of eating flesh isn't as attractive as it was just a month ago now that I realize my craving for flesh was simply a craving for protein. In case anyone is wondering, I recently decided to exchange the word " flesh " for " meat " . I feel that the word " meat " is equal to using the words " passed away " for " died " . It just doesn't seem as effective as saying " flesh " or " flesh eater " . It brings to my mind visions of cannibals eating flesh to stay " alive " . I feel it's a more effective & shocking view of eating animals. Rhonda **************************************************************************** *************************** " While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can we expect any ideal conditions on this earth? " --George Bernard Shaw - " Deborah Pageau " <Deborah_Pageau Monday, May 28, 2001 4:13 PM Re: Re: vegan junk food > Hi Belle; > > If you are concerned about your health, I think it is a good idea > to be aware of fat content even in vegan foods. Hydrogenated > fats (also called transfats) are a BIGGIE to avoid. They have > the same effect in the body as eating the saturated fat found in > animal products. They raise cholesterol levels in the blood and > also contribute to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL), a cancer of > white blood cells. You can read about this on the PCRM site, > www.pcrm.org. Just search for " hydrogenated " . > > Hydrogenated fats are made by bubbling hydrogen through plant > oils which saturates and hardens them. It's still vegan but it > sure is destructive to health. > > Wishing you health, happiness and prosperity... > > Deborah > > > 2 things: > Fat is not the only reason vegan food is healthier. Actually, > I've never > even considered fat content in my choice for going vegan. It's > mostly > cholesterol, casein, hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, and > carcinogens that > bother me. I really don't care about the fat. > Also, health is obviously not the only reason why people go > vegan. Someone > who goes vegan for ethical reasons might not give a damn about > their health. > I even know some vegetarian smokers. > -Belle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 Hi Belle; If you are concerned about your health, I think it is a good idea to be aware of fat content even in vegan foods. Hydrogenated fats (also called transfats) are a BIGGIE to avoid. They have the same effect in the body as eating the saturated fat found in animal products. They raise cholesterol levels in the blood and also contribute to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL), a cancer of white blood cells. You can read about this on the PCRM site, www.pcrm.org. Just search for " hydrogenated " . Hydrogenated fats are made by bubbling hydrogen through plant oils which saturates and hardens them. It's still vegan but it sure is destructive to health. Wishing you health, happiness and prosperity... Deborah 2 things: Fat is not the only reason vegan food is healthier. Actually, I've never even considered fat content in my choice for going vegan. It's mostly cholesterol, casein, hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, and carcinogens that bother me. I really don't care about the fat. Also, health is obviously not the only reason why people go vegan. Someone who goes vegan for ethical reasons might not give a damn about their health. I even know some vegetarian smokers. -Belle It's article about vegan junk food: http://vegnews.org/article.php?sid=9 & mode= & order=0 & thold=0 Your comments will be appreciated. _______________ ________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 Hello Isabelle, Monday, May 28, 2001, 6:57:07 AM, you wrote: IN> 2 things: IN> Fat is not the only reason vegan food is healthier. Actually, I've never IN> even considered fat content in my choice for going vegan. It's mostly IN> cholesterol, casein, hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, and carcinogens that IN> bother me. I really don't care about the fat. IN> Also, health is obviously not the only reason why people go vegan. Someone IN> who goes vegan for ethical reasons might not give a damn about their health. IN> I even know some vegetarian smokers. My reason also is not health, I'm more ethical reasoned Can you please post your comment at the end of article at http://vegnews.org ? So other people at vegnews will see it. -------- Best regards, Sergio, CEO vegan http://www.royalwebhosting.com Royal Web Hosting - Royal Quality Hosting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 I am aware of this. I was just saying you shouldn't try to cut out ALL fats from your diet, as some try to do. They do it by avoiding any product that has fat listed on the label. Since they don't list content of vegetables (as least not where I live) not many people are aware that there is fat content in plant foods. What they don't know will probably help them. *Smile* Rhonda ***************************************** " While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can we expect any ideal conditions on this earth? " --George Bernard Shaw - " Deborah Pageau " <Deborah_Pageau Monday, May 28, 2001 6:45 PM Re: Re: vegan junk food > Rhonda wrote: > ...However, the body does need a certain amount of fat to get > essential fatty acids necessary for good health. It's not healthy > to cut out > ALL fats. > > I agree Rhonda. What I am wondering though, is how one could > actually do such a thing? As I understand it from the writings > of Dr. John McDougall www.drmcdougall.com we get all the fat we > need from low-fat plant foods. It seems that the problem really > is getting too much rather than enough. > > According to McDougall, ideally 5% or less of our calories come > from fat. All natural plant foods have fat in them, plenty for > our needs, and of the right kind. For example, even brown rice > has 5% fat, apples and broccoli are 9% fat, oatmeal is 16% fat. > Getting enough fat is as easy as getting enough protein. Making > an effort to " get enough " fat or protein is rather like worrying > about someone who is drowning getting enough water. > > If one eats any of the naturally high-fat plant foods like tofu > (50% fat), nuts or seeds(80% fat), avocado (90% fat), olives (98% > fat) or oil (100% fat) it's pretty tough to keep the fat content > of the diet down to ideal. > > According to McDougall and others, excess fat in the diet is the > number one enemy of human health, and the second is excess > protein. For anyone who is seriously interested in their own > health, I really recommend reading his first work, The McDougall > Plan which explains in detail the issues all based on referenced, > main-stream research. > > Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 Rhonda wrote: ....However, the body does need a certain amount of fat to get essential fatty acids necessary for good health. It's not healthy to cut out ALL fats. I agree Rhonda. What I am wondering though, is how one could actually do such a thing? As I understand it from the writings of Dr. John McDougall www.drmcdougall.com we get all the fat we need from low-fat plant foods. It seems that the problem really is getting too much rather than enough. According to McDougall, ideally 5% or less of our calories come from fat. All natural plant foods have fat in them, plenty for our needs, and of the right kind. For example, even brown rice has 5% fat, apples and broccoli are 9% fat, oatmeal is 16% fat. Getting enough fat is as easy as getting enough protein. Making an effort to " get enough " fat or protein is rather like worrying about someone who is drowning getting enough water. If one eats any of the naturally high-fat plant foods like tofu (50% fat), nuts or seeds(80% fat), avocado (90% fat), olives (98% fat) or oil (100% fat) it's pretty tough to keep the fat content of the diet down to ideal. According to McDougall and others, excess fat in the diet is the number one enemy of human health, and the second is excess protein. For anyone who is seriously interested in their own health, I really recommend reading his first work, The McDougall Plan which explains in detail the issues all based on referenced, main-stream research. Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2001 Report Share Posted May 29, 2001 Hi, I'm aware that saturated fat is bad, but a vegan diet is low in saturated fats anyway, unless you eat fried foods and margarine all the time. I read this really interesting " Dr. Soleil " book, explaining how people should follow their alimentary instincts, and I found this very helpful, compared to just following a diet specified by someone. Each individual has very different dietary neds. This book also has a guide for you to replace your " cravings " with healthy foods, eg. sugar cravings with lots of water and a high-carb healthy meal, chocolate with prunes, figs and other dried fuits, salt with miso or shoyu, etc. Sometimes I have fat cravings, yes, but I don't really mind those, because I noticed that when I eat more fats such as nuts and olive oil, I feel better, have more overall energy, and my skin looks A LOT better and feels smoother. So I figured, why give up something if it makes me feel good? Cheers, -Belle _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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