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For almost the past week I have been here. I have been here reading

 

e-mails, answering telephone calls, and aiding activists financially,

 

and doing what ever I can do to help them. This past week I have

 

recieved many bad e-mails regarding the e-mail that I sent out on Monday,

 

October 29, 2001. Although I have only responded to one or two, I have

 

read all of them with a sad eye.

 

I have been called a traitor, a scum bag, and a horrible person. People

 

feel that I have betrayed the animal rights movement, a movement that if

 

I could save animals would die for. How I am a traitor I have not yet

 

figured out. But more and more people are saying it and I need to address

 

this.

 

Although I cannot apologize for my letter because I believe that direct

 

action is not the way to go, I do feel that calling fellow activists

 

" terrorists " was harsh. Over 500 animal die every day in HLS factories,

 

factories that need to be shut down, and a practice that needs to be

 

abolished because of its inreliabilty, and inhumaneness.

 

Animal exploitations needs to end, but us causing violence will not solve

 

our problems. Violence will not solve the wolds problems, and we need to

 

grow and understand that not everything will go perfectly.

 

The United States is a great country. We have our Constitution, we have our

 

Bill of Rights, and we have our right to freedom. A freedom that we have

 

because we want it. We are entitled to it. If you want that freedom, you

 

need to have the patience, you need to understand that you can't have

 

everything right away, and you need to work for what you want.

 

If you want those animals out of HLS labs, if you want those animals out

 

of circuses, fur farms, slaughterhouses, and anywhere else that animals

 

are enslaved, then you need to work for it. You cannot go out and threaten

 

anyone. You cannot try to prove to the world that we will get what we want,

 

or we will reak havic in to everyday life.

 

We shouldn't threaten with violence, words, or any other unacceptable manner.

 

It's unappropriate, and immature. We cannot spend our entire lives

 

encouraging compassion towards all living creatures, saying that the

 

things that are happening inside of slaughterhouses is uncompasionate and

 

inhumane, an then turn around and harrass employees and break down barriers

 

that are on public property.

 

Even though I wasn't there, and don't have much room to talk, I know what

 

happend. I know that there was suprisingly unbiased news coverage of why

 

people are protesting the HLS. After the protest, the message was lost. The

 

only thing that was covered in the news was the fight the protesters put

 

and the disrespect they had towards the the police.

 

I made all the e-mails that were sent to me availible online through the LAA

Website. You can see these e-mails by visiting

http://www.loveallanimals.com/pm.html

 

 

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Hi Ryan, Planet Vegan folks.

 

Because i suffer from a chronic case of obligatory opinionation, i'm going

to share my opinion, and hopefully direct some understanding towards Ryan.

 

 

Ryan wrote:

 

> I have been called a traitor, a scum bag, and a horrible person. People

> feel that I have betrayed the animal rights movement, a movement that if

> I could save animals would die for. How I am a traitor I have not yet

> figured out. But more and more people are saying it and I need to address

> this.

 

I'm not quite sure what you plan to accomplish from sending this message out

on the Planet-Vegan email list.. I didn't know you were considered a

traitor, scum bag and horrible person until today. =)

 

This might best be a question addressed directly and privately to those who

sent these accusations.

 

I don't know who wrote you, and what they said. Maybe they're right, maybe

they're wrong. Who knows? (Maybe who cares?) Regardless, it wasn't a very

nice way of telling you these things. But obviously these people have been

bothered enough to take the time to write you. Don't take that lightly.

Try to understand where they're coming from. There may be truth and wisdom

in their words, along with the hostility.

 

As you've seen in animal rights action, there's sometimes hostility, but you

know that there is a deeper message under the surface.

 

 

> Although I cannot apologize for my letter because I believe that direct

> action is not the way to go,

 

This is your belief Ryan. Just like you believe that animals shouldn't be

used for cosmetic testing, etc. (There are many who would tell you animals

*should* be used too.)

 

Clearly, the people who wrote you disagree. I also disagree with you.

 

The vast majorty of veteran activists, animal and non-animal, would also

disagree with you.

 

You have taken a very challenging position in this regard, and you can

expect this reaction for the rest of your days as an activist. To many,

this is akin to being a meat-eating animal rights activist. Please keep

this in mind when sharing your opinion.

 

Direct action is a very effective means of activism, has done tremendous

good for various causes in the past, and will continue to do so.

 

 

> I do feel that calling fellow activists

> " terrorists " was harsh.

 

Thank you for writing this.

 

 

> Animal exploitations needs to end, but us causing violence will not solve

> our problems. Violence will not solve the wolds problems, and we need to

> grow and understand that not everything will go perfectly.

 

First, you need to define what violence is. Second, you need to decide, for

sure, that there really is never a need for any type of violence.

 

If there is a legal, respectable demonstration, and the police tell the

activists to go away, what should they do? Just go away? What if the the

police are forcing them to go away, even tho it's their legal right to be

there? Should they just back off, and leave? Let their message be lost?

(I'm not saying this is how the HLS demo went, but this is a hypothetical

situation that might result in 'extreme' reaction.)

 

The following is a really harsh example, but what would you do if you came

home and found someone raping your mom? Would you take the non-violent and

peaceful route, and ask them nicely to stop while offering a glass of iced

tea?

 

I think not. You would be enraged.

 

Stop for a moment and tranfer that emotion to the people at the HLS demo.

They feel the same, intense feeling, for each and every of those 500 animals

that die each day, and the millions more awaiting their end.

 

You expect peace, but there are lives at stake. Lives that suffer and die

every second.

 

As one of the animals in there, would you feel better knowing that the

people fighting for your freedom were willing to back down at any sign of

conflict, or were willing to stand and fight?

 

By using the above, perhaps you can understand why direct action is

necessary, and why people are willing to go to extremes.

 

This is a life and death movement, and shouldn't be taken as lightly as you

appear to.

 

 

> The United States is a great country. We have our Constitution, we have

our

> Bill of Rights, and we have our right to freedom. A freedom that we have

> because we want it. We are entitled to it. If you want that freedom, you

> need to have the patience, you need to understand that you can't have

> everything right away, and you need to work for what you want.

 

If this were so true, i don't think there would be as much conflict as there

is.

 

You've been conditioned to think what 'freedom' is. Freedumb might be more

appropriate.

 

 

> We shouldn't threaten with violence, words, or any other unacceptable

manner.

> It's unappropriate, and immature.

 

You need to be more concise. What is unacceptable, unappropriate and

immature to you is not to others. And note that you just called people who

use any threatening action and words unacceptable, unappropriate and

immature. You can probably expect more disheartening letters from this

comment.

 

 

> I made all the e-mails that were sent to me availible

> online through the LAA Website. You can see these

> e-mails by visiting http://www.loveallanimals.com/pm.html

 

I went to this page, and thankfully didn't find any of the messages that

were sent to you.

 

Please note, Ryan, these were sent to you privately (i'm assuming). Please

respect that.

 

I, for one, will not address you privately, for fear of my private words and

thoughts to you appearing on a website.

 

Please keep doing what you can for the animals, and please try harder to

understand and accept what others are doing.

 

- Dave

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> > Although I cannot apologize for my letter because I believe that

> > direct action is not the way to go,

 

> This is your belief Ryan. Just like you believe that animals

> shouldn't be used for cosmetic testing, etc. (There are many who

> would tell you animals *should* be used too.)

 

I agree with David on many of his points. AR People need to come to

realize that there are many ways to get things done, and it's hard to

say which way is the best. Quite simply, each person has things that

they are good at, and their own way of approaching issues. I'm not

saying that I agree with everything that every animal rights

oranization has ever done. But I don't know if a more passive

approach is more affective, or a more direct method. Regardless,

both are undeniably effective. I used to be sure that the passive

route to animal liberation was the way to go, and tried my best not

to step on any toes on the way there. But that's not reasonable.

Eventually, you have to get up in some faces. I'm still not sure

what the best approach is, or where I will eventually fit in to the

AR movement after I graduate and can begin to take a more active

role, but I don't feel that it is right to criticize other groups for

being to extreme (assuming that they are not actually hurting

people). If you disagree, think about what you (and they) are

fighting for. The lives of feeling, thinking, living beings.

Imagine if it was your life you were fighting for, or your family's.

It's easy to say that people are being too radical when they are

fighting for a cause that won't affect you, but what would you say if

the people they were fighting against were coming for you next?

 

It was pointed out to me a few weeks ago that we would probably act a

lot differently if it were OUR lives we were fighting for...

 

JustBeane

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