Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 In reply to those previous emails: You guys need to read Animal Liberation a little more closely... All Singer says is that you don't deserve rights simply because you belong to the human species but they should awarded for other reasons such as sentience and self consciousness... And as for vivisection all he says is that it should go ahead if the benefits are so great that using a human being could be justified... I don't think anyone here believes killing one animal so that hundreds of other animals can be saved is wrong? Peter Singer has done more for the animal rights movement than anyone on this list so show a little respect... And stop bashing utilitarianism... I believe its are only hope at reaching coming ground. So many people and cultures have extremely diverging beliefs, but no one can argue (in practice anyway) againt pleasure being good and pain being bad!!! utilitarianism may not be perfect (nothing is) but it is our best shot at ending exploitation, be it animal or human. that's all for now (from another philosophy student) Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Kamrinn Roy at kamrinn wrote: > Peter Singer has done more for the animal rights > movement than anyone on this list so show a little > respect... I don't think anyone has been disrespectful in this thread. Criticism against someone's theory is hardly a personal attack! I am also not necessarily, personally, pro-animal rights, (I acknowledge that many vegans are as much due to ethical concerns about nonhuman animals, I'm just not among them) so doing things for that movement does not garner my automatic respect. > And stop bashing utilitarianism... I believe its are > only hope at reaching coming ground. So many people > and cultures have extremely diverging beliefs, but no > one can argue (in practice anyway) againt pleasure > being good and pain being bad!!! utilitarianism may > not be perfect (nothing is) but it is our best shot at > ending exploitation, be it animal or human. Maybe. I find it weird that you want people not to criticize ( " bash " ) it, since you're a philosophy student, though. Philosophy is rarely nice, and it's difficult to improve a theory without outside criticism. Saying simply that utilitarianism is " bad " is silly, IMO, but you're also being pretty ridiculous if you think there are no possible criticisms against it. It sounds like you might need to relax a bit with regard to agreements and disagreements with various points of view. -james. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Hey Kamrinn, > And as for > vivisection all he says is that it should go ahead if > the benefits are so great that using a human being > could be justified... I don't think anyone here > believes killing one animal so that hundreds of other > animals can be saved is wrong? I do. And i know for a fact i'm not the only person on this list who feels this way. You may even find yourself in a minority. It is not fair (nor is any 'right' or respect given to that individual) to sacrifice one for many, unless that one has given consent in a meaningful and acceptable way - which is almost never the case. This is the whole problem behind Utilitarianism. Even the name is offensive, it suggests everyone (human or non) is a 'tool', obviously for someone else's device. Yes, it is different, and there are points i respect about it, but overall, in the long run, i say it's bad news. > Peter Singer has done more for the animal rights > movement than anyone on this list so show a little > respect... Anything he's done for animal rights is unintentional. He does not believe in AR. He does not support it. He talks around it, and may appear AR on the surface, but he is a welfarist at heart. > And stop bashing utilitarianism... I believe its are > only hope at reaching coming ground. I'd have to say that it is extremely naive to state that Utilitarianism is the *only* way. > So many people > and cultures have extremely diverging beliefs, but no > one can argue (in practice anyway) againt pleasure > being good and pain being bad!!! I dunno - pleasure to one person is not pleasure to another. If it really were that simple, i'm sure the world would already be a 'better place'. (After all, it's the quest for pleasure that brought us where we are... SUV's as a shallow example - they're all about pleasure.) > utilitarianism may > not be perfect (nothing is) but it is our best shot at > ending exploitation, be it animal or human. > that's all for now (from another philosophy student) Again, i'd reconsider before making ultimate statements like that. Thanks for sharing your views Kamrinn, i'm looking forward to your response. =) - Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 > Saying simply > that utilitarianism is " bad " is silly, IMO, Hey - i heard that!! =P - Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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