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In reply to those previous emails:

You guys need to read Animal Liberation a little more

closely... All Singer says is that you don't deserve

rights simply because you belong to the human species

but they should awarded for other reasons such as

sentience and self consciousness... And as for

vivisection all he says is that it should go ahead if

the benefits are so great that using a human being

could be justified... I don't think anyone here

believes killing one animal so that hundreds of other

animals can be saved is wrong?

Peter Singer has done more for the animal rights

movement than anyone on this list so show a little

respect...

And stop bashing utilitarianism... I believe its are

only hope at reaching coming ground. So many people

and cultures have extremely diverging beliefs, but no

one can argue (in practice anyway) againt pleasure

being good and pain being bad!!! utilitarianism may

not be perfect (nothing is) but it is our best shot at

ending exploitation, be it animal or human.

that's all for now (from another philosophy student)

 

 

 

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Kamrinn Roy at kamrinn wrote:

 

> Peter Singer has done more for the animal rights

> movement than anyone on this list so show a little

> respect...

 

I don't think anyone has been disrespectful in this thread. Criticism

against someone's theory is hardly a personal attack! I am also not

necessarily, personally, pro-animal rights, (I acknowledge that many vegans

are as much due to ethical concerns about nonhuman animals, I'm just not

among them) so doing things for that movement does not garner my automatic

respect.

 

> And stop bashing utilitarianism... I believe its are

> only hope at reaching coming ground. So many people

> and cultures have extremely diverging beliefs, but no

> one can argue (in practice anyway) againt pleasure

> being good and pain being bad!!! utilitarianism may

> not be perfect (nothing is) but it is our best shot at

> ending exploitation, be it animal or human.

 

Maybe. I find it weird that you want people not to criticize ( " bash " ) it,

since you're a philosophy student, though. Philosophy is rarely nice, and

it's difficult to improve a theory without outside criticism. Saying simply

that utilitarianism is " bad " is silly, IMO, but you're also being pretty

ridiculous if you think there are no possible criticisms against it. It

sounds like you might need to relax a bit with regard to agreements and

disagreements with various points of view.

 

 

-james.

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Hey Kamrinn,

 

> And as for

> vivisection all he says is that it should go ahead if

> the benefits are so great that using a human being

> could be justified... I don't think anyone here

> believes killing one animal so that hundreds of other

> animals can be saved is wrong?

 

I do. And i know for a fact i'm not the only person on this list who feels

this way. You may even find yourself in a minority.

 

It is not fair (nor is any 'right' or respect given to that individual) to

sacrifice one for many, unless that one has given consent in a meaningful

and acceptable way - which is almost never the case.

 

This is the whole problem behind Utilitarianism. Even the name is

offensive, it suggests everyone (human or non) is a 'tool', obviously for

someone else's device.

 

Yes, it is different, and there are points i respect about it, but overall,

in the long run, i say it's bad news.

 

 

> Peter Singer has done more for the animal rights

> movement than anyone on this list so show a little

> respect...

 

Anything he's done for animal rights is unintentional. He does not believe

in AR. He does not support it. He talks around it, and may appear AR on

the surface, but he is a welfarist at heart.

 

 

> And stop bashing utilitarianism... I believe its are

> only hope at reaching coming ground.

 

I'd have to say that it is extremely naive to state that Utilitarianism is

the *only* way.

 

 

> So many people

> and cultures have extremely diverging beliefs, but no

> one can argue (in practice anyway) againt pleasure

> being good and pain being bad!!!

 

I dunno - pleasure to one person is not pleasure to another. If it really

were that simple, i'm sure the world would already be a 'better place'.

(After all, it's the quest for pleasure that brought us where we are...

SUV's as a shallow example - they're all about pleasure.)

 

 

> utilitarianism may

> not be perfect (nothing is) but it is our best shot at

> ending exploitation, be it animal or human.

> that's all for now (from another philosophy student)

 

Again, i'd reconsider before making ultimate statements like that.

 

Thanks for sharing your views Kamrinn, i'm looking forward to your response.

=)

 

- Dave

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