Guest guest Posted May 13, 2002 Report Share Posted May 13, 2002 maybe this sounds silly but have they stopped adding the " healthy " bacteria to rice and soy milks? I looked the other day and couldnt find any. I remember a year or 2 ago when I bought rice and soy milks more it was available with many of the brands... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2002 Report Share Posted May 13, 2002 I wonder why they would add bacteria to either milk unless they were looking to ferment them and make something other than milk? Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2002 Report Share Posted May 13, 2002 > I wonder why they would add bacteria to either milk unless they were looking > to ferment them and make something other than milk? Yeah, i've been drinking soymilk for a million years now (okay, like 12 years, it's a million in Internet years! =) and i've never seen bacteria in non-dairy beverages... Well, there was that time i went away and left a carton in the back of the fridge a couple weeks, but it sure wasn't included on the label! Uh..yeah. Anyone here tried the newish Chick'un Nuggets from Yves? They actually say 'vegan' on the packaging! A first there i believe. Quite good with plum sauce..nummers.. Also, if you haven't heard/read, Denman Island chocolate contains traces of dairy..damn..i've prolly eaten a whole cow.. Okay, that's enought of me. =) - Dave, Victoria BC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 , " Dave Shishkoff " <dave@e...> wrote: > Also, if you haven't heard/read, Denman Island chocolate contains traces of > dairy..damn..i've prolly eaten a whole cow.. Interesting that this fact holds you of consuming those chocolates... ethically, it's as if the milk is not there, because thoses traces derive from the fact that the tins used to make those chocolates are the same as the ones used to make others, and in fact they only state that due to the fear of lawsuits, so common in the states. I believe that if one buys products from companies that are not strictly vegan (and that mounts to most of my consumption - i live in portugal) one has to be aware of the fact that this products might have 'been in touch' with non-vegan ingredients. I don't think that it makes them un-vegan. The idea behind them is the same - a product without animal suffering per se. cheers all, pedro homero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 " pedro_homero " <homero > > Also, if you haven't heard/read, Denman Island chocolate contains > traces of > > dairy..damn..i've prolly eaten a whole cow.. > > Interesting that this fact holds you of consuming those chocolates... > ethically, it's as if the milk is not there, Heya Pedro, Personally, i find it quite disgusting that i've been eating a cows milk. As much as i would if i were eating her hair, leg or excrement. Just because you don't *mean* to eat it, doesn't mean you should! Where would you 'draw the line' in this scenario? At a certain percentage of milk? What if it were lard instead of milk - would you still want to eat it then? Or what if it were cow patties? I don't feel that animal products are food for humans, any more than the chair i'm sitting on. How about if the chocolate had a substantial portion of a nice vegan floor polish? It just ain't 'food' to me. The point i'm trying to make is that by eating it, you're still accepting that animal products are acceptable for human consumption, which is fine on a 'freegan' lifestyle, but not a vegan one. No more than wearing fur, leather or drinking Mott's Clamato. But that's just my opinion. =) - Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 Dave Shishkoff wrote: > " pedro_homero " > > > > Also, if you haven't heard/read, Denman Island chocolate contains > > traces of > > > dairy..damn..i've prolly eaten a whole cow.. > > > > Interesting that this fact holds you of consuming those chocolates... > > ethically, it's as if the milk is not there, > >Where would you 'draw the line' in this scenario? At a certain percentage >of milk? What if it were lard instead of milk - would you still want to eat >it then? Or what if it were cow patties? From an ethical standpoint, the good thing is that the chocolate factory is making a vegan product. If nobody buys the manufacturer's vegan products, the manufacturer will stop making them. This would be a pity, because the more overtly vegan products are available (especially from mainstream sources), the more people become aware of veganism and perhaps consider becoming vegan themselves. On the other hand, it's entirely understandable that Dave would be put off by the idea of consuming traces of milk chocolate, and not want to buy the chocolates. I think I might be put off the product too, for the same reason. But it would depend on how much milk was in there. If it really contained only " trace amounts " (a bit like the peanut warnings on chocolate that has been manufactured on machinery that has come into contact with peanuts), then I might consider eating it. I don't think that makes me a " freegan " , as Dave put it (nice term -- I hadn't seen that before). Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 Dave, Gerry has given the answer that i wanted to give - unless you ONLY buy products from 100% vegan companies you WILL be using animal products even if they don't state 'traces of XXX', because there will be traces of it, allways. What Gerry pointed out is that these traces are not part of the product itself, but come from the fact that it is produced in the same factory that non-vegan products are used. Hence, the companie is trying to make a vegan product. I'm a vegan, just as you, and i go through the same lenghts as you to avoid animal suffering but i don't see an ethical reason not to use a product with 'traces' of an animal ingredient IF i already agree to buy something from a non-100%-vegan company. As Gerry also pointed out, it is a good thing to help non-vegan companies evolve to ethical choices - helping them, not giving them an angry face. If, on the other hand, it disgusts you to ingest a trace amount of an animal product, then don't buy the product, and don't eat it. I don't have any problem with the taste or smell of animal products - it's only an ethical question for me - it means i'm not going to turn a sentient being into an instrument of my will. On the other hand, if a chicken would come to me and say 'hi pedro, have one or two of my eggs, go ahead, i'm giving them to you, they're yours!' i would have no problem in using them. But, alas, chickens can't speak, so i think all of them should be left alone in the wilderness to live they're natural life, free from our slavery. Oh, and i'm not a freegan, David. (A freegan, Gerry, is a person that strives to 'consume' the least possible, seeing it as the ultime ethical consumer option, that is, if s/he can get something for free or out of a wastebasket and not use money, fine. On the other hand s/he tries to be a vegan (for ethical reasons) but prefers a package of thrown-away bread-with- whey instead of buying a vegan loaf). A hug to all (and a touch of coolness to you dave, loosen up!), Pedro Homero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 > Dave, Gerry has given the answer that i wanted to give - unless you > ONLY buy products from 100% vegan companies you WILL be using animal > products even if they don't state 'traces of XXX', because there > will be traces of it, allways. True enough, there's traces in our water. However, when there's enough in there to make someone sick (as was the case), and i'm fully aware that it's in there (labeled, etc), i'm going to skip on it. Tropical Source has vegan and organic chocolate, i'll stick with them for now.. > What Gerry pointed out is that these traces are not part of the > product itself, but come from the fact that it is produced in the > same factory that non-vegan products are used. Hence, the companie > is trying to make a vegan product. Well, you could say McDonald's is 'trying to make a vegan product', except for the beef in their burgers. =P Good on Denman Is. Chocolate for trying to make a vegan product, and they are worlds better than Cadbury or Nestle, but i don't want to eat bovine secretions. Even if it isn't intended, and it's just a teeny-weenie bit. I'm not dissing them, i'm just not comfortable eating something that has a label staring at me saying 'contains dairy'. - Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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